Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.

I haven't had a chance to speak to him but I suspect it is to prevent
his mother, who is becoming increasingly senile, from gassing herself.
She has a gas stove without any flame failure detection.


TIA

Richard

On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard mused:

Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.

That doesn't actually say whether it's mains or 12V, but you could
soon run it from a 12V PSU.

They should be a reasonably common item in most merchants, I doin't
know anyone who's mentioned trouble sourcing one when we've fitted
them.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Lurch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard mused:


Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.


That doesn't actually say whether it's mains or 12V, but you could
soon run it from a 12V PSU.

They should be a reasonably common item in most merchants, I doin't
know anyone who's mentioned trouble sourcing one when we've fitted
them.


Thanks Stuart

After posing the question I was musing on the possibilities open to him.

I agree with your point about running it from 12V.

Presumably any gas control valve for a boiler would also be suitable?
He could drive that from any gas detector and alarm suitable for Natural
Gas. I doubt if the marine alarm would be designed to detect NG.

What about installation? Presumably if he did it himself - installing
it in the stove supply only - any CORGI bod visitig to service either
the boiler or the stove would have a fit and cut off the house supply?

Richard

On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:21:34 +0100, Richard mused:

Lurch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard mused:


Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.


That doesn't actually say whether it's mains or 12V, but you could
soon run it from a 12V PSU.

They should be a reasonably common item in most merchants, I doin't
know anyone who's mentioned trouble sourcing one when we've fitted
them.


Thanks Stuart

After posing the question I was musing on the possibilities open to him.

I agree with your point about running it from 12V.

Presumably any gas control valve for a boiler would also be suitable?
He could drive that from any gas detector and alarm suitable for Natural
Gas. I doubt if the marine alarm would be designed to detect NG.

What about installation? Presumably if he did it himself - installing
it in the stove supply only - any CORGI bod visitig to service either
the boiler or the stove would have a fit and cut off the house supply?

As long as the valve was suited for the gas supply at the property
then there'd be no reason to cut the supply off.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:21:34 +0100, Richard mused:

Lurch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard mused:


Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.


That doesn't actually say whether it's mains or 12V, but you could
soon run it from a 12V PSU.

They should be a reasonably common item in most merchants, I doin't
know anyone who's mentioned trouble sourcing one when we've fitted
them.


Thanks Stuart

After posing the question I was musing on the possibilities open to him.

I agree with your point about running it from 12V.

Presumably any gas control valve for a boiler would also be suitable?
He could drive that from any gas detector and alarm suitable for Natural
Gas. I doubt if the marine alarm would be designed to detect NG.

What about installation? Presumably if he did it himself - installing
it in the stove supply only - any CORGI bod visitig to service either
the boiler or the stove would have a fit and cut off the house supply?

As long as the valve was suited for the gas supply at the property
then there'd be no reason to cut the supply off.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Looks good
On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

Some flats being built near me have suffered the 5th theft of pipes running
up the exterior wall next to a main (Ring) road. Fortunately they are not
occupied yet - but hey! I can nick a bit of pipe and be away before I get a
sniff. The newspaper will say £1,000 of damage - that will encourage others

In article ,
"John" writes:

Looks good
On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

That's a standard (and I presume, required) feature of french
gas isolation valves.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard wrote:

|!Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.
|!
|!Something like this he thinks:
|!
|!http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/
|!
|!but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.
|!
|!I haven't had a chance to speak to him but I suspect it is to prevent
|!his mother, who is becoming increasingly senile, from gassing herself.
|!She has a gas stove without any flame failure detection.

Personally I would buy her a new cooker with Flame failure, while she can
still learn about FFD.

Have you contacted the manufacturer? Most 12 V things are modifications of
a 240V device.
--
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:


Personally I would buy her a new cooker with Flame failure, while she can
still learn about FFD.



Couldn't agree more. Unfortunatley when the oven 'stat died earlier
this year rather than seize the opportunity to replace the stove with a
modern unit he spent more than the cost of replacement on finding both
'stat and someone who knew how to fit it. Stupid berk is reaping the
rewards of that particular act of folly.

As to learning anything new: she is so ill as to probably require
incaceration but what remains of the NHS is unwilling/unable to
accomodate her.

Richard

On Thu, 24 May 2007 21:17:30 +0000, John wrote:

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:21:34 +0100, Richard mused:

Lurch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Richard mused:


Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/

but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.


That doesn't actually say whether it's mains or 12V, but you could
soon run it from a 12V PSU.

They should be a reasonably common item in most merchants, I doin't
know anyone who's mentioned trouble sourcing one when we've fitted
them.


Thanks Stuart

After posing the question I was musing on the possibilities open to him.

I agree with your point about running it from 12V.

Presumably any gas control valve for a boiler would also be suitable?
He could drive that from any gas detector and alarm suitable for Natural
Gas. I doubt if the marine alarm would be designed to detect NG.

What about installation? Presumably if he did it himself - installing
it in the stove supply only - any CORGI bod visitig to service either
the boiler or the stove would have a fit and cut off the house supply?

As long as the valve was suited for the gas supply at the property
then there'd be no reason to cut the supply off.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Looks good
On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

Some flats being built near me have suffered the 5th theft of pipes running
up the exterior wall next to a main (Ring) road. Fortunately they are not
occupied yet - but hey! I can nick a bit of pipe and be away before I get a
sniff. The newspaper will say £1,000 of damage - that will encourage others

Yes this has become a big problem. Last year I started losing lengths from
the pipe carrier. So now I have added a lock (my pipe carrier was a 110mm
soil stack home made version). A couple of Transco guys were saying that
they've been to a number of gas escapes due to people removing pipes.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

In article ,
Ed Sirett writes:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 21:17:30 +0000, John wrote:
Looks good
On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

Some flats being built near me have suffered the 5th theft of pipes running
up the exterior wall next to a main (Ring) road. Fortunately they are not
occupied yet - but hey! I can nick a bit of pipe and be away before I get a
sniff. The newspaper will say £1,000 of damage - that will encourage others

Yes this has become a big problem. Last year I started losing lengths from
the pipe carrier. So now I have added a lock (my pipe carrier was a 110mm
soil stack home made version). A couple of Transco guys were saying that
they've been to a number of gas escapes due to people removing pipes.

Perhaps people will stop running copper around the outsides
of buildings. It always looks rather horrible to me.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Fri, 25 May 2007 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett
mused:

On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

Some flats being built near me have suffered the 5th theft of pipes running
up the exterior wall next to a main (Ring) road. Fortunately they are not
occupied yet - but hey! I can nick a bit of pipe and be away before I get a
sniff. The newspaper will say £1,000 of damage - that will encourage others

Yes this has become a big problem. Last year I started losing lengths from
the pipe carrier. So now I have added a lock (my pipe carrier was a 110mm
soil stack home made version). A couple of Transco guys were saying that
they've been to a number of gas escapes due to people removing pipes.

My Dad was called out to an emergency 'breakdown' one day and got
there to find water cascading through the ceilings. Further inspection
found that the loft mounted boiler had been crowbarred off the wall.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Richard wrote:

Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/


but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.

I haven't had a chance to speak to him but I suspect it is to prevent
his mother, who is becoming increasingly senile, from gassing herself.
She has a gas stove without any flame failure detection.


TIA

Richard


Update on the gas valve question:

Andy doesn't need to connect it to a gas detector, it merely needs to be
operated by electricery. The idea is to fit the valve where his mother
cannot see it and then hide the operating switch in a cupboard.


Does that make identifying a suitable valve any simpler.

BTW the stove is connected to the gas via a bayonet fitting and he
wonders about interposing his electric valve between hose and bayonet
outlet.

TIA


Richard

On Sat, 26 May 2007 16:17:33 +0100, Richard mused:

Richard wrote:

Friend is looking for a gas valve controlled by a gas detector.

Something like this he thinks:

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/Produ...tegoryID/25/v/


but he wants a mains powered version for domestic use.

I haven't had a chance to speak to him but I suspect it is to prevent
his mother, who is becoming increasingly senile, from gassing herself.
She has a gas stove without any flame failure detection.


TIA

Richard


Update on the gas valve question:

Andy doesn't need to connect it to a gas detector, it merely needs to be
operated by electricery. The idea is to fit the valve where his mother
cannot see it and then hide the operating switch in a cupboard.

So would a tap not be suitable?

Does that make identifying a suitable valve any simpler.

Not really, same valve, just operated by a switch rather than a switch
attached to a detector.

BTW the stove is connected to the gas via a bayonet fitting and he
wonders about interposing his electric valve between hose and bayonet
outlet.

I woiuldn't. Is he going to attempt to fit this valve himself?
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Lurch wrote:

So would a tap not be suitable?

Does that make identifying a suitable valve any simpler.


Not really, same valve, just operated by a switch rather than a switch
attached to a detector.


BTW the stove is connected to the gas via a bayonet fitting and he
wonders about interposing his electric valve between hose and bayonet
outlet.


I woiuldn't. Is he going to attempt to fit this valve himself?



Hi Stuart

It's difficult to convey how pig headed Andy can be in a brief email!

I asked him why a tap or even a tap with a padlock would not do the job,
i.e. 'KISS', but he says that he doesn't want to upset his mother - go
figure!

However, in his defence, having seen his mother a few times in the last
year and listened to a few of the phone calls that he has answered from
her, I don't think I could cope as well as he does with caring for
someone with S.D. Memorably she complained (on the phone) a few
months back of the house being too hot - when he returned Andy found
that the room stat was set to maximum and that she had been attempting
to adjust the temperature by adjusting the pointer on a circular
barometer. Hilarious but distressing for Andy. The last time he
managed to get a break, rather than arrange respite care, he made his
brother stay to look after her so that Keith would understand just how
dreadful things are.

I very much fear that he does intend fitting whatever abomination he
cobbles together himself. I may post a warning message to the NG as to
when you should avoid his particular bit of Sarf Lunnon.

sigh


Richard

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett
mused:

On a slightly different slant - nicking copper gas pipe has become a
good
way of raising 50p and I wonder if any method exists to shut off a gas
supply if the flow exceeds a 'normal' flow.

Some flats being built near me have suffered the 5th theft of pipes
running
up the exterior wall next to a main (Ring) road. Fortunately they are
not
occupied yet - but hey! I can nick a bit of pipe and be away before I
get a
sniff. The newspaper will say £1,000 of damage - that will encourage
others

Yes this has become a big problem. Last year I started losing lengths from
the pipe carrier. So now I have added a lock (my pipe carrier was a 110mm
soil stack home made version). A couple of Transco guys were saying that
they've been to a number of gas escapes due to people removing pipes.

My Dad was called out to an emergency 'breakdown' one day and got
there to find water cascading through the ceilings. Further inspection
found that the loft mounted boiler had been crowbarred off the wall.
--
My mate suffered twice little "****es" using the external gas pipe as a
handy hand/foot hold to climb over his side gate. First time pipe broke away
leaking gas, 2nd time pipe bent. Pipe was finally moved indoors.