Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are looking
at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any advice/tips/help.

We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most of
the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as I
can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity. I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists, which
seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Thanks a lot,

Dave.

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Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are
looking
at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any
advice/tips/help.

We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most
of
the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is
worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as
I
can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at
least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity.
I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists,
which
seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Thanks a lot,

Dave.


Well you could use this, but I'm biased!!!! :

http://tinyurl.com/2td2om

AWEM

wrote:
Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are looking
at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any advice/tips/help.

We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most of
the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as I
can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity. I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists, which
seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Thanks a lot,

Dave.


If its internal insulation between neighbours the foam backed board is
useless.

Simply take it all down, repoint any gaps and put another wall up using
brick etc.

Airgaps are te worts thing of all, so make sure there are NONE.

After that low mass panels are crap..hence using more brick. A double
brick wall is really very very good.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are
looking at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any
advice/tips/help. We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most
of the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as
I can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity. I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists,
which seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Thanks a lot,

Dave.


If its internal insulation between neighbours the foam backed board is
useless.

Simply take it all down, repoint any gaps and put another wall up
using brick etc.

Airgaps are te worts thing of all, so make sure there are NONE.

After that low mass panels are crap..hence using more brick. A double
brick wall is really very very good.

I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a second wall with Wickes dense
rockwool
sound-proofing slabs and plasterboard. Totally useless. Complete waste of money.
I am now going to remove it all and build the second wall using dense concrete blocks.
..

In message .com,
writes
Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are looking
at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any advice/tips/help.

We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most of
the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as I
can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity. I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists, which
seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Do they actually know how much they are disturbing you ?

You could always look at seeing if the council can do anything

.... or go on the offensive, link the computer up to the stereo and play

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/footy/

all through the night, worked for me when the neighbours ignored my
requests to quieten down


--
geoff

wrote:

- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as I
can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least

That might be part of the problem - it works better if the second wall
is decoupled from the first i.e. attached to floor and ceiling, but not
touching the existing wall.



--
Cheers,

John.

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On 16 May, 23:27, Owain wrote:
wrote:

... The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most of
the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling.

Quite a lot of tellies seem to shove as much sound out of the back as
they do from the front, and people turn the volume up trying to
compensate for poor intelligibility. If your neighbours could try moving
the telly, or using better quality speakers, that might help a lot.

Well-stocked bookshelves are supposed to be pretty good at deadening sound.

Owain

That works well for lightweight walls.

The other thing is pavlovian training. You need one block of wood &
one SDS drill. Every time the noise gets excessive, a 1 sec blast on
the sds against wall/floor/etc. Only really if hostilities have been
declared though!


NT

On May 16, 9:39 pm, "bomb#20" here@darkstar wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
Hi,

We're experiencing noise problems from our neighbours, and are
looking at soundproofing the party wall, so we're after any
advice/tips/help. We're in a 1920's 9'' brick semi-detached bungalow, concrete floors,
roof-space mainly seperate (there is a small gap in apex in one
part). The main source of the noise is the neighbours TV, and most
of the noise that we get seems to come through the walls rather than
floor or ceiling. The people in the house before us had dry-lined
sections of the walls (interestingly, mainly where the noise is worst
- if only we'd spotted this when viewing!). The stuff they used is
plasterboard backed with a couple of inches of blue foam. As far as
I can tell this is attached to timber battens, which are in turn
attached to the brick work (which I suspect is not rendered, at least
in places), I don't think there is anything else in the cavity. I've
got a feeling this may actually be amplifying the noise.

We have been looking at the products available from specialists,
which seem very expensive (but then what cost do you put on peaceful
sleep?!). From looking at posts here it seems there are plenty of
people doing their own thing. Can anyone help?

Thanks a lot,

Dave.

If its internal insulation between neighbours the foam backed board is
useless.

Simply take it all down, repoint any gaps and put another wall up
using brick etc.

Airgaps are te worts thing of all, so make sure there are NONE.

After that low mass panels are crap..hence using more brick. A double
brick wall is really very very good.

I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a second wall with Wickes dense
rockwool sound-proofing slabs and plasterboard. Totally useless.

Did you make sure that the extra wall was acoustically decoupled from
the existing wall? This is important. The studs for the new wall
must not be attatched to the existing wall.

A good book on this is "noise control in residential buildings" by
harris ISBN 0-07-026942-4 he give the dB attenuation for all sorts
of specific constructions.

R

In article ,
bomb#20 here@darkstar wrote:
I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a second
wall with Wickes dense rockwool sound-proofing slabs and plasterboard.
Totally useless. Complete waste of money.

A stud wall with a double layer of thick plasterboard makes a very cost
effective sound barrier. Fixing the studs to the original wall reduces the
effectiveness considerably, though. And the larger the gap, the better.

--
*If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article .com,
wrote:
The other thing is pavlovian training. You need one block of wood &
one SDS drill. Every time the noise gets excessive, a 1 sec blast on
the sds against wall/floor/etc. Only really if hostilities have been
declared though!

Heh heh. But noise masking can help. Simply drown out their noise with
that you don't mind hearing or can ignore. Doesn't have to be music -
could be a recording of wind, traffic, birdsong etc.
If you like total peace and quiet - move. But you'll find it difficult to
get a totally silent place anywhere - nature makes plenty of noises of its
own.

--
*Horn broken. - Watch for finger.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Robert Laws wrote:


I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a
second wall with Wickes dense rockwool sound-proofing slabs and
plasterboard. Totally useless.

Did you make sure that the extra wall was acoustically decoupled from
the existing wall? This is important. The studs for the new wall
must not be attatched to the existing wall.

A good book on this is "noise control in residential buildings" by
harris ISBN 0-07-026942-4 he give the dB attenuation for all sorts
of specific constructions.

R

I didn't use any studwork as the wall is an alcove between a chimney breast and external wall.
I glued the rockwool slabs to the party wall and then glued plasterboard to the slabs.
I filled the edges with mastic.
I think The Natural Philosopher is right, you have to have a wall that is dense and heavy.
..

Thanks a lot for all the posts.

We're looking at a 'physical' solution as they don't seem to want to
do anything about it, so far. Maybe the SDS drill will change
things.....

Looks like the long term solution is ripping the paneling off, filling
any gaps in brick work, maybe rendering the brick work, and building a
2-layer plasterboard stud wall, isolated from the problem walls.

Thanks again,

Dave

On Thu, 17 May 2007 10:22:40 +0100, "bomb#20" here@darkstar wrote:

Robert Laws wrote:


I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a
second wall with Wickes dense rockwool sound-proofing slabs and
plasterboard. Totally useless.

Did you make sure that the extra wall was acoustically decoupled from
the existing wall? This is important. The studs for the new wall
must not be attatched to the existing wall.

A good book on this is "noise control in residential buildings" by
harris ISBN 0-07-026942-4 he give the dB attenuation for all sorts
of specific constructions.

R

I didn't use any studwork as the wall is an alcove between a chimney breast and external wall.
I glued the rockwool slabs to the party wall and then glued plasterboard to the slabs.
I filled the edges with mastic.
I think The Natural Philosopher is right, you have to have a wall that is dense and heavy.
.


I think what you tried is correct in principle, so long as the
plasterboard wasnt resting on the floor, but you would have to do the
whole wall. If some of the wall was not insulated for sound, its
difficult to judge the success. Also a lot of noise comes through the
floor and ceiling especialy if the joists go straight into the
partition wall.

On May 17, 10:13 am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
bomb#20 here@darkstar wrote:

I have the same situation, noise through a party wall. I built a second
wall with Wickes dense rockwool sound-proofing slabs and plasterboard.
Totally useless. Complete waste of money.

A stud wall with a double layer of thick plasterboard makes a very cost
effective sound barrier. Fixing the studs to the original wall reduces the
effectiveness considerably, though. And the larger the gap, the better.

As an example: two 'interleaved' but not touching stud walls each
with 2"x4" studs at 16" centres doublethickness of 5/8" plasterboard
on each nailed at 6-8" with 3.5" of fibreglass fill:

35dB attenuation at 125 Hz, rising to 55dB at 1000Hz

For comparison, a pair of foam earlugs, well shoved in, will give you
up to about 20dB attenuation.

Robert