Hi,

I'm running some cable for some new socket outlets. I've channeled
out the appropriate walls and run the cable, wired up and tested the
connections.

I'm now ready to start making good. Should the cable be in conduit
before I plaster over it or is it OK to just plaster right over the
bare PVC cable? The cable has a number of turns (it has to go around
a door frame!) that I'd never be able to pull new cable through if I
needed to repair or redo so I'm not sure I need to bother with the
conduit. However, I wasn't sure if it was acceptable from a safety or
regulations viewpoint to just plaster over the uncovered cable.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help.

Marcus

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:23:38 UTC, wrote:

Hi,

I'm running some cable for some new socket outlets. I've channeled
out the appropriate walls and run the cable, wired up and tested the
connections.

I'm now ready to start making good. Should the cable be in conduit
before I plaster over it or is it OK to just plaster right over the
bare PVC cable? The cable has a number of turns (it has to go around
a door frame!) that I'd never be able to pull new cable through if I
needed to repair or redo so I'm not sure I need to bother with the
conduit. However, I wasn't sure if it was acceptable from a safety or
regulations viewpoint to just plaster over the uncovered cable.

It sounds as if you have run the cable outside the 'permitted zones';
there are areas where unprotected cables can be buried in plaster. Take
a look he

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/4.4.1.htm

If they are outside the zones, conduit or similar is a must. Also, those
turns are meant to have a minimum radius to avoid insulation dmage; the
value depends on the cable and its orientation. Same site will have
info.

Slightly worrying; I wonder what else you've done? Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

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On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" mused:

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:23:38 UTC, wrote:

Hi,

I'm running some cable for some new socket outlets. I've channeled
out the appropriate walls and run the cable, wired up and tested the
connections.

I'm now ready to start making good. Should the cable be in conduit
before I plaster over it or is it OK to just plaster right over the
bare PVC cable? The cable has a number of turns (it has to go around
a door frame!) that I'd never be able to pull new cable through if I
needed to repair or redo so I'm not sure I need to bother with the
conduit. However, I wasn't sure if it was acceptable from a safety or
regulations viewpoint to just plaster over the uncovered cable.

It sounds as if you have run the cable outside the 'permitted zones';
there are areas where unprotected cables can be buried in plaster. Take
a look he

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/4.4.1.htm

If they are outside the zones, conduit or similar is a must.

Earthed conduit I believe if cables are outside permitted zones.
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Regards,
Stuart.

On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:10:02 GMT, EricP
mused:

On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

Depends, some does, some doesn't. Part p is very messy atm, but if you
are in the sligHTest bit unsURE IT"s best tO Just geT SOmeone in.
Basically, replacing like for like is OK but once you get into adding
things it GETS A bIT RandOm on the cAn you|CAn't you.

Also, THis KeyBOArD is knackered, I'm fed up of hitting it to try and
stop the shift key sticking.
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Stuart.

"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:10:02 GMT, EricP
mused:

On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

Depends, some does, some doesn't. Part p is very messy atm, but if you
are in the sligHTest bit unsURE IT"s best tO Just geT SOmeone in.
Basically, replacing like for like is OK but once you get into adding
things it GETS A bIT RandOm on the cAn you|CAn't you.

Also, THis KeyBOArD is knackered, I'm fed up of hitting it to try and
stop the shift key sticking.

If you're running windows, start up OSK.exe (On Screen Keyboard) and do
everything with the mouse.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:01:54 +0100, "OG"
mused:


"Lurch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:10:02 GMT, EricP
mused:

On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

Depends, some does, some doesn't. Part p is very messy atm, but if you
are in the sligHTest bit unsURE IT"s best tO Just geT SOmeone in.
Basically, replacing like for like is OK but once you get into adding
things it GETS A bIT RandOm on the cAn you|CAn't you.

Also, THis KeyBOArD is knackered, I'm fed up of hitting it to try and
stop the shift key sticking.

If you're running windows, start up OSK.exe (On Screen Keyboard) and do
everything with the mouse.

Well, I never knew that was there! That might come in handy for
another app I've got in development.

Trifle annoying though as I use the keyboard for everything and avoid
usinng the trackpad doobrie on the laptop as much as possible. Time to
break out the touchscreen for a play I think.
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Stuart.

In message , Lurch
writes
Also, THis KeyBOArD is knackered, I'm fed up of hitting it to try and
stop the shift key sticking.

I thought you were just being expressive.

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http://www.bigclive.com

EricP wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

No. Some wiring comes under the scope of part P[1], and thus ought to be
either done by someone who is a member of a trade organisation that
allows them to self certify the work (competence in the true sense of
the work is not required), or alternatively you need to notify building
control who will provide a completion certificate at the end. The may or
may not wish to test/inspect your work along the way.

[1] Adding complete new circuits would count, but extending an existing
one would not.


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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:06:30 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

EricP wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

No. Some wiring comes under the scope of part P[1], and thus ought to be
either done by someone who is a member of a trade organisation that
allows them to self certify the work (competence in the true sense of
the work is not required), or alternatively you need to notify building
control who will provide a completion certificate at the end. The may or
may not wish to test/inspect your work along the way.

[1] Adding complete new circuits would count, but extending an existing
one would not.

Thanks for the explanation.

Another one to add to the vast amount of meaningless and largely
ignored legislation this gov has issued.

EricP wrote:

Thanks for the explanation.

Another one to add to the vast amount of meaningless and largely
ignored legislation this gov has issued.

Very much so! ;-)


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On 14 Apr, 20:06, John Rumm wrote:

No. Some wiring comes under the scope of part P[1],

[1] Adding complete new circuits would count, but extending an existing
one would not.


Thanks for this. I'm pretty sure that as I'm extending an existing
circuit I don't have to worrry about Part P (Thank God!) and I'm
running all of the wiring inside "Permitted Zones".

So, coming back to my original question, should I be running the cable
in conduit and then plastering over it or can it be run without
conduit and plastered over directly into the wall?

The reason I ask is that I have already roughly run the cable and made
and tested my connections and now I need to know whether I need to go
back and put the cable in plastic conduit before I plaster or if I can
plaster over the cable without conduit.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Marcus

On 15 Apr 2007 01:02:51 -0700 someone who may be
wrote this:-

I'm running all of the wiring inside "Permitted Zones".

This bit from your original posting seems to be at variance with the
assertion above, "I'm now ready to start making good. Should the
cable be in conduit before I plaster over it or is it OK to just
plaster right over the bare PVC cable? The cable has a number of
turns (it has to go around a door frame!)"

Are there really several accessories dotted round the door frame
with the cable running between them horizontally and vertically?



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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:10:02 UTC, EricP wrote:

On 14 Apr 2007 15:59:59 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

Do you know that new
wiring like this comes under Part P of the Building Regulations, and
must be installed/tested/supervised by someone who is qualified?

Are you saying that all household wiring must be done by an
electrician, not just kitchens/bathrooms?

No....but I said "new wiring like this"....it is presumably 'new'
wiring, not replacement or extension.
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