.... the large rod sometimes used on old buildings, to hold the walls
together? Characterised by a large metal 'S' (or other shape) on the
outside wall.

Thanks!
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Graeme

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:25:36 +0100, Graeme wrote:

... the large rod sometimes used on old buildings, to hold the walls
together? Characterised by a large metal 'S' (or other shape) on the
outside wall.

Thanks!

Usually known as a tie afaik. There may well be more technical names for
them....

Holly
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Graeme said the following on 28/03/2007 08:25:
... the large rod sometimes used on old buildings, to hold the walls
together? Characterised by a large metal 'S' (or other shape) on the
outside wall.

Thanks!

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

e.g. http://www.redgwick.co.uk/

In message , Rumble
writes
Graeme said the following on 28/03/2007 08:25:
... the large rod sometimes used on old buildings, to hold the walls
together? Characterised by a large metal 'S' (or other shape) on the
outside wall.
Thanks!

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

e.g. http://www.redgwick.co.uk/

Perfect! Thanks to you both.
--
Graeme

Rumble wrote:

Graeme said the following on 28/03/2007 08:25:
... the large rod sometimes used on old buildings, to hold the walls
together? Characterised by a large metal 'S' (or other shape) on the
outside wall.

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

A friend once lived in an old end terrace which had a couple of
these fitted. I was surprised to find, when lifting an upstairs
floorboard, that the inboard end of each was a thin strap set on
top of a joist, which has been cut away to take it, and secured
with a couple of no 8 woodscrews.

Chris
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Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Rumble wrote:

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

A friend once lived in an old end terrace which had a couple of
these fitted. I was surprised to find, when lifting an upstairs
floorboard, that the inboard end of each was a thin strap set on
top of a joist, which has been cut away to take it, and secured
with a couple of no 8 woodscrews.

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)

--
Graeme

Graeme wrote:
In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Rumble wrote:

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

A friend once lived in an old end terrace which had a couple of
these fitted. I was surprised to find, when lifting an upstairs
floorboard, that the inboard end of each was a thin strap set on
top of a joist, which has been cut away to take it, and secured
with a couple of no 8 woodscrews.

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)

You gave the correct thought to it, unlike Chris's mate who probably had
therm put in by some cowboy or didn't want to pay for it to be done
properly - they are indeed supposed to run the full width of the house and
affix to the opposite wall, nailing them to the nearest piece of wood will
achive nothing, except give the (wrong) impression that a serious problem
has been seen to.

In message , Phil L
writes
Graeme wrote:

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)

You gave the correct thought to it, unlike Chris's mate who probably had
therm put in by some cowboy or didn't want to pay for it to be done
properly - they are indeed supposed to run the full width of the house and
affix to the opposite wall, nailing them to the nearest piece of wood will
achive nothing, except give the (wrong) impression that a serious problem
has been seen to.

I can see the logic of that, and have only ever noticed the plates on
front or rear walls of buildings. How about the end of terrace, which
Chris mentioned? Assuming the end wall needed the plate, the rod could
not run through, say, half a dozen or more houses, terminating at the
opposite end wall - particularly if the houses are on a slope. Think
Hovis advert. There must be an alternative solution.
--
Graeme

Graeme wrote:

I can see the logic of that, and have only ever noticed the plates on
front or rear walls of buildings. How about the end of terrace, which
Chris mentioned? Assuming the end wall needed the plate, the rod could
not run through, say, half a dozen or more houses, terminating at the
opposite end wall - particularly if the houses are on a slope. Think
Hovis advert. There must be an alternative solution.

Quite! My friend inherited the work, which apparently passed
survey. ;-) No matter, she is no longer in the house. This
wall was at about 60 degrees to the front of the house, and had
moved somewhat. Fitting a run of kitchen units revealed a
horizontal bow of a couple of inches across the width of the
room.

I don't think the tie bar actually needed to be super strong,
simply to arrest the outward movement of the wall, which it
seemed to have done.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:21:20 +0100, Graeme
wrote:

In message , Phil L
writes
Graeme wrote:

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)

You gave the correct thought to it, unlike Chris's mate who probably had
therm put in by some cowboy or didn't want to pay for it to be done
properly - they are indeed supposed to run the full width of the house and
affix to the opposite wall, nailing them to the nearest piece of wood will
achive nothing, except give the (wrong) impression that a serious problem
has been seen to.

I can see the logic of that, and have only ever noticed the plates on
front or rear walls of buildings. How about the end of terrace, which
Chris mentioned? Assuming the end wall needed the plate, the rod could
not run through, say, half a dozen or more houses, terminating at the
opposite end wall - particularly if the houses are on a slope. Think
Hovis advert. There must be an alternative solution.

I've only ever seen these on tall broad 'flat' chimney stacks, and
assumed that the tie 'rod' passed through the stack, since it appeared
into the gable end of the adjacent roof.

--
Frank Erskine

In article ,
Frank Erskine wrote:
I've only ever seen these on tall broad 'flat' chimney stacks, and
assumed that the tie 'rod' passed through the stack, since it appeared
into the gable end of the adjacent roof.

I've seen them go all the way through a terrace of houses...

--
*A hangover is the wrath of grapes.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Graeme" wrote in message
news
In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Rumble wrote:

It's called a tie rod and the large 'S' is called a pattress plate

A friend once lived in an old end terrace which had a couple of
these fitted. I was surprised to find, when lifting an upstairs
floorboard, that the inboard end of each was a thin strap set on
top of a joist, which has been cut away to take it, and secured
with a couple of no 8 woodscrews.

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building, with
a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the subject
:-)

They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at each
end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates firmly into the
walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into better shape.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
...



Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building, with
a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the subject
:-)

They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at
each end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates firmly
into the walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into better shape.

Colin Bignell
I'm confused. Say we want to put such a device on our house, we put the 's'
or whatever shape on the outside of the exterior wall to pull it in, how can
we put the rod through our own house and the adjoining one so that the plate
is on the neighbour's exterior wall?

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
...

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building, with
a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the subject
:-)
They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at
each end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates firmly
into the walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into better shape.

Colin Bignell
I'm confused. Say we want to put such a device on our house, we put the 's'
or whatever shape on the outside of the exterior wall to pull it in, how can
we put the rod through our own house and the adjoining one so that the plate
is on the neighbour's exterior wall?

Mary


You use a VERY long drill, dear. ;-)

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
...

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)
They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at
each end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates firmly
into the walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into better
shape.

Colin Bignell
I'm confused. Say we want to put such a device on our house, we put the
's' or whatever shape on the outside of the exterior wall to pull it in,
how can we put the rod through our own house and the adjoining one so
that the plate is on the neighbour's exterior wall?

Mary
You use a VERY long drill, dear. ;-)

Suspect smiley doesn't cancel out the "dear"!

Seriously though, you have to get their permission (on the basis if your
house falls down, their's will too) to pull up their floors upstairs at the
same time and do the installation as one building. If the joists run the
same direction as the tie, it can run between them. If not, it may not be
possible to fit under floor. If that's the case, it may have to run just
below the ceilings and be painted.

A friend of mine had one just under the ceiling in his old cottage. It was
always loose from the day he bought the property (walls moved back
together). He was having an extension built, which required some konocking
about, and suddenly noticed it was like a bowstring - eek! Never fell down
though.


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(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
...

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)
They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at
each end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates firmly
into the walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into better
shape.

Colin Bignell
I'm confused. Say we want to put such a device on our house, we put the
's' or whatever shape on the outside of the exterior wall to pull it in,
how can we put the rod through our own house and the adjoining one so
that the plate is on the neighbour's exterior wall?

Mary
You use a VERY long drill, dear. ;-)

Suspect smiley doesn't cancel out the "dear"!

You'd be right - if I'd seen the original. Such comments say more about the
poster than the recipient but that poster has been living in my KF for a
very long time.

Seriously though, you have to get their permission (on the basis if your
house falls down, their's will too) to pull up their floors upstairs at
the same time and do the installation as one building. If the joists run
the same direction as the tie, it can run between them. If not, it may not
be possible to fit under floor. If that's the case, it may have to run
just below the ceilings and be painted.

A friend of mine had one just under the ceiling in his old cottage. It was
always loose from the day he bought the property (walls moved back
together). He was having an extension built, which required some konocking
about, and suddenly noticed it was like a bowstring - eek! Never fell down
though.

Very few houses do fall down but I reckon that ours is helped to avoid that
fate because of our neighbours' house, which is uphill of ours :-)

I didn't realise that such ties went through a whole structure, I expected
that the inner elements were attached more locally - closer to the outer
ones. One of our sons in law is a builder and mostly a good one but he once
said that our outer wall needed attaching to the inner one to prevent it
collapsing. We never did that and the wall still hasn't collapsed. Nobody
knows everything about their trade, it seems.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
...

Really? I had assumed that the rod went right through the building,
with a plate at each end - which shows how little thought I gave the
subject :-)
They should. That way, you can heat the rod up, tighten up the nuts at
each end and allow the contraction of the rod to pull the plates
firmly into the walls and, possibly, even pull the walls back into
better shape.

Colin Bignell
I'm confused. Say we want to put such a device on our house, we put the
's' or whatever shape on the outside of the exterior wall to pull it
in, how can we put the rod through our own house and the adjoining one
so that the plate is on the neighbour's exterior wall?

Mary
You use a VERY long drill, dear. ;-)

Suspect smiley doesn't cancel out the "dear"!

You'd be right - if I'd seen the original. Such comments say more about
the poster than the recipient but that poster has been living in my KF for
a very long time.

Seriously though, you have to get their permission (on the basis if your
house falls down, their's will too) to pull up their floors upstairs at
the same time and do the installation as one building. If the joists run
the same direction as the tie, it can run between them. If not, it may
not be possible to fit under floor. If that's the case, it may have to
run just below the ceilings and be painted.

A friend of mine had one just under the ceiling in his old cottage. It
was always loose from the day he bought the property (walls moved back
together). He was having an extension built, which required some
konocking about, and suddenly noticed it was like a bowstring - eek!
Never fell down though.

Very few houses do fall down but I reckon that ours is helped to avoid
that fate because of our neighbours' house, which is uphill of ours :-)

I didn't realise that such ties went through a whole structure, I expected
that the inner elements were attached more locally - closer to the outer
ones. One of our sons in law is a builder and mostly a good one but he
once said that our outer wall needed attaching to the inner one to prevent
it collapsing. We never did that and the wall still hasn't collapsed.
Nobody knows everything about their trade, it seems.



Yes, attaching to an inner would help but inner walls are rarely as strong
so it's more common (as in less rare, not less well mannered) to have them
going through the building, especially as a tendency to bow one side may
indicate a latent desire for the one the other side to do the same!


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

snip One of our sons in law is a builder and mostly a good one but
he once
said that our outer wall needed attaching to the inner one to prevent it
collapsing. We never did that and the wall still hasn't collapsed. Nobody
knows everything about their trade, it seems.

Mary

He didn't say when it would collapse, did he?

"Phil" wrote in message
ups.com...
snip One of our sons in law is a builder and mostly a good one but
he once
said that our outer wall needed attaching to the inner one to prevent it
collapsing. We never did that and the wall still hasn't collapsed. Nobody
knows everything about their trade, it seems.

Mary

He didn't say when it would collapse, did he?

LOL!

No, but he's a chap who always knows better about everything than anyone
else, it might have been pure mouth.

Mary

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
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Yes, attaching to an inner would help but inner walls are rarely as strong
so it's more common (as in less rare, not less well mannered)

?

Common to me means shared, neither less rare nor less well-mannered ...

I take the rest of your point.

Mary