My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
discount appliance warehouse.

I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!

Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
corgi registered engineer does it!

I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
themselves, in their own home.

Has the law recently changed on this?

S

"Shokka" wrote in message
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My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
discount appliance warehouse.

I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!

Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
corgi registered engineer does it!

I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
themselves, in their own home.

Both the above are true. It's your ability to demonstrate competence that is
in question. There are those who believe this is assured by CORGI
registration only (Grrr), those that believe CORGI registration assures this
(splutter) and the others. You other option is to do it and not tell anyone
and to accept the frankly unquantified) risks. Naturally you shouldn't do
this. The system including the cooker should be leak tested after
installation using a manometer at the meter - you are certainly not
competent if you don't do this, for example.

Has the law recently changed on this?


no


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Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

On 24 Jan, 16:11, "Bob Mannix" wrote:

You other option is to do it and not tell anyone
and to accept the frankly unquantified) risks. Naturally you shouldn't do
this. The system including the cooker should be leak tested after
installation using a manometer at the meter - you are certainly not
competent if you don't do this, for example.

I have a manometer and pipe pressure testing gauge and test with leak
detector solution. At the end of the day it isn't rocket science, is
it?

What gets me is that there's all this fuss about gas safety and what
people believe the law to mean, yet people are free to fix the brakes
on their own cars!

A far higher percentage of people get killed due to botched car repairs
than DIY gas!

s

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:25:20 -0800, Shokka wrote:

On 24 Jan, 16:11, "Bob Mannix" wrote:

You other option is to do it and not tell anyone
and to accept the frankly unquantified) risks. Naturally you shouldn't do
this. The system including the cooker should be leak tested after
installation using a manometer at the meter - you are certainly not
competent if you don't do this, for example.

I have a manometer and pipe pressure testing gauge and test with leak
detector solution. At the end of the day it isn't rocket science, is
it?

What gets me is that there's all this fuss about gas safety and what
people believe the law to mean, yet people are free to fix the brakes
on their own cars!

A far higher percentage of people get killed due to botched car repairs
than DIY gas!

We have been over this many times. The FAQ contains (IMHO) a fair summary
of the law concerning and practice of gas fitting DIY and otherwise.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
discount appliance warehouse.

I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!

Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
corgi registered engineer does it!

I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
themselves, in their own home.

Has the law recently changed on this?

S
No it hasn't. If your competent just go ahead.

"Psst" wrote in message
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On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
discount appliance warehouse.

I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!

Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
corgi registered engineer does it!

I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
themselves, in their own home.

Has the law recently changed on this?

S
No it hasn't. If your competent just go ahead.

If you are asking about the law regarding this then clearly you do not know
the legal requirements and by definition not competent.

On 24 Jan, 16:55, "powerstation" wrote:
fitted is if a

No it hasn't. If your competent just go ahead.If you are asking about the law regarding this then clearly you do not know
the legal requirements and by definition not competent

Twaddle!

How are you meant to know about the law and whether there have been any
changes, unless you actively find out? Are you seriously suggesting
that Corgi engineers never ask any questions, even when presented with
differing information, under the assumption it would render them
incompetent??!

Surely the competent thing to do when presented with conflicting
information is to check it out (As I'm doing) rather than ignore it?

s

On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
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method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
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On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from
the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
--

Is that all you did ? God help you and your family and I hope you never
have to convince the court because you have failed to convince me !

"powerstation" wrote in message
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I
fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from
the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
--

Is that all you did ? God help you and your family and I hope you never
have to convince the court because you have failed to convince me !

Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to make
the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to press the
bayonet home and twist??

JellyBelly

"JellyBelly" wrote in message
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"powerstation" wrote in message
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I
fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron
thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from
the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
--

Is that all you did ? God help you and your family and I hope you never
have to convince the court because you have failed to convince me !

Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to
make the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to
press the bayonet home and twist??

JellyBelly
Did you check ventilation, check size of supply pipework, do a drop test,
check for clearances, check for combustable materials, use gas tape (not
ptfe plumbing tape), fit a stability device and check the operation of flame
failure devices etc etc?

On 24 Jan, 23:36, "powerstation" wrote:
"JellyBelly" wrote in m...

JellyBellyDid you check ventilation, check size of supply pipework, do a drop test,
check for clearances, check for combustable materials, use gas tape (not
ptfe plumbing tape), fit a stability device and check the operation of flame
failure devices etc etc/

With the greates of respect I have seen Corgi engineers fit cookers and
they simply do what DT said above. Attach the hose (With tape) connect
the bayonet and fire the thing up.

No testing and no inspection!

s

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:36:30 +0000, powerstation wrote:

"JellyBelly" wrote in message
...

"powerstation" wrote in message
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I
fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron
thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from
the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
--

Is that all you did ? God help you and your family and I hope you never
have to convince the court because you have failed to convince me !

Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to
make the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to
press the bayonet home and twist??

JellyBelly
Did you check ventilation, check size of supply pipework, do a drop test,
check for clearances, check for combustable materials, use gas tape (not
ptfe plumbing tape), fit a stability device and check the operation of flame
failure devices etc etc?

You stole my thunder; I would have prefaced my remarks by saying regular
posters know that I support competent DIY gas fitting.

My not directly analogous it's amazing how many people here claim
that boilers and cookers are easy to fit and then proceed to show how they
have done /will do the job without checking and/or by cutting corners.

A similar level of electrical work would not have been bragged about using
the wrong fittings, no earth, wrong cable size etc.

Frinstance a large number of cookers now have straight threaded
ground-face fittings for the gas inlet and the use of the cooker hose
directly would be wrong, (even with the right tape).


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

"powerstation" wrote in message
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"JellyBelly" wrote in message
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"powerstation" wrote in message
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
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On 24 Jan 2007 07:59:17 -0800, "Shokka" wrote:

|My gas cooker blew up so I went to look for a replacement at a local
|discount appliance warehouse.
|
|I was told that I can't install the appliance myself (by law), that
|cookers are not supplied with flexi-hoses fitted (By law) and that I
|can't fit one myself (By law) and that hoses can't be reused (By law)!
|
|Apparently the *only* way you can have a gas cooker fitted is if a
|corgi registered engineer does it!
|
|I was under the impression that any "competent" person can do it
|themselves, in their own home.
|
|Has the law recently changed on this?

Health and Safety gone mad again they are just covering their backs.

Just done this myself, if you have a domestic gas bayonet fitting, just
plug the new one into the place the old one fitted, two minute job. I
fit
a new hose to a new cooker. It needed ptfe tape to seal the iron
thread
joint. Ten minute job plus the time taken to buy the flexible pipe from
the
local plumbers merchant. I consider myself competent to do this.
--

Is that all you did ? God help you and your family and I hope you never
have to convince the court because you have failed to convince me !

Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to
make the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to
press the bayonet home and twist??

JellyBelly
Did you check ventilation, check size of supply pipework, do a drop test,
check for clearances, check for combustable materials, use gas tape (not
ptfe plumbing tape), fit a stability device and check the operation of
flame failure devices etc etc?

A bit of commonsense is called for here. The OP didn't say he was
*installing* (for the first time) a new cooker, just *replacing* his
existing one. He didn't say that he was refurbishing the whole kitchen and
so I assume that he will have to replace like-for-like and replace his
existing cooker with one of the same size in order to fit in the same hole
that the old one is vacating.

In other words, he doesn't say that he's going to be replacing a four-ring,
single-oven, eye-level-grill cooker with an eight-ring, double-oven range
cooker or anything bigger than he's got now, so the supply pipe that has
happily supplied his old cooker for x-amount of years, and the ventilation,
and the clearances etc., etc., should all be OK - if they were OK to begin
with, of course.

In the OPs case, you're still only talking about screwing one end of a
flexible pipe (making a gas-tight seal, of course) into the cooker and
pushing the other end into a bayonet fitting. Installation from scratch is,
of course, a different kettle of fish altogether and quite rightly so.

JellyBelly

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:55:15 -0000, "JellyBelly"
wrote:


Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to make
the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to press the
bayonet home and twist??

JellyBelly

Ohhhhh...Matron....

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:48:40 +0000, Psst wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:55:15 -0000, "JellyBelly"
wrote:


Aw give over - the whole reason for the bayonet fitting to exist is to make
the job easy to do. Just how bloody competent do you have to be to press the
bayonet home and twist??


The use of the bayonet connector does not constitute 'gas work' within the
meaning of the law.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards