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Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just
hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Chris |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Chris Typical incompetent confusion between planning and building control. Jim A |
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Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
Bypass wrote:
wrote: I cant see it happening, governments look to increase control to push people into unwanted spends, they dont normally move in the opposite direction. Especially not when theres a safety excuse or real reason, both of which there would be in this case. Need a more well thought through petition. What is happening, with the Building Regulations, is that Local/Central Government is moving towards a system of 'self-certification'. In doing so, it's shifting the responsibility for compliance-checking away from 'over-stretched' Council's. Just my twopenny worth Who ends up certifying, householder or a professional they engage? The game is to get people to give as much money to the wealthier sectors of society as poss, and since this also lines up with safety issues in this case, both real and imagined, this approach fits normal government practice like a glove. NT |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Don't be silly. I wouldn't trust some builders to do stuff without building regulations approval, certainly not most DIYers. Its all very well saying that (eg.) an opening needs a lintel but who is going to check? |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
dennis@home wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Don't be silly. I wouldn't trust some builders to do stuff without building regulations approval, certainly not most DIYers. Its all very well saying that (eg.) an opening needs a lintel but who is going to check? Would you, for example, trust a builder to move a wash hand basin and amend the waste pipe to suit? Yes, I would think so. Well, that task requires Building Regulations approval. I think you can find a valid point to suit both sides of any argument. |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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"dennis@home" writes: wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Don't be silly. I wouldn't trust some builders to do stuff without building regulations approval, certainly not most DIYers. Its all very well saying that (eg.) an opening needs a lintel but who is going to check? A year or so back, I asked some colleagues what sort of questions solicitors had asked about conformance to building regs when they were selling their houses. For that sample size of just two, the only building regs the solicitors were interested in checking up on were structural alterations, and underground drainage alterations. There were no questions about replacement windows, boilers, etc. I don't know if this is the norm or not. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
A year or so back, I asked some colleagues what sort of questions solicitors had asked about conformance to building regs when they were selling their houses. For that sample size of just two, the only building regs the solicitors were interested in checking up on were structural alterations, and underground drainage alterations. There were no questions about replacement windows, boilers, etc. I don't know if this is the norm or not. I think you'll find that there have been some significant amendments to the BR's within the past year. Revisions to the Approved Documents typically come into effect on the 1 April. |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
"Bypass" wrote in message om... dennis@home wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Don't be silly. I wouldn't trust some builders to do stuff without building regulations approval, certainly not most DIYers. Its all very well saying that (eg.) an opening needs a lintel but who is going to check? Would you, for example, trust a builder to move a wash hand basin and amend the waste pipe to suit? Yes, I would think so. Well, that task requires Building Regulations approval. Not acording to the head of building control who happens to be my neigbour it doesn't. It may have to meet water byelaws but its not inspected unless you dig underground drains. Mind you he also told me not to bother with part UP either as it was just too much work for them to cope with. ;-) |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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wrote: Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Chris I cant see it happening, governments look to increase control to push people into unwanted spends, they dont normally move in the opposite direction. Especially not when theres a safety excuse or real reason, both of which there would be in this case. Need a more well thought through petition. Some sympathy with both points, but anything which resists the encroaching red-tape is worth a try. |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:47:51 +0000, a particular chimpanzee named
Bypass randomly hit the keyboard and produced: What is happening, with the Building Regulations, is that Local/Central Government is moving towards a system of 'self-certification'. In doing so, it's shifting the responsibility for compliance-checking away from 'over-stretched' Council's. If only... What happens is that Councils spend time chasing certificates rather than looking after real work. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?" |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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writes Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Nice idea, but don't expect anything to come of it. The situation behind another petition on there (save our waterways) was the subject of a Prime Minister's Question recently, and despite it being in the top ten petitions Bliar was unaware of the circumstances, so his office obviously pay great attention to what is being placed there. Adrian -- To Reply : replace "news" with "adrian" and "nospam" with "ffoil" Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies. |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
Bypass wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote: A year or so back, I asked some colleagues what sort of questions solicitors had asked about conformance to building regs when they were selling their houses. For that sample size of just two, the only building regs the solicitors were interested in checking up on were structural alterations, and underground drainage alterations. There were no questions about replacement windows, boilers, etc. I don't know if this is the norm or not. I think you'll find that there have been some significant amendments to the BR's within the past year. Revisions to the Approved Documents typically come into effect on the 1 April. Ah! April Fools day. You don't score any points to see that the fools are us :-( Dave |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
Adrian Simpson wrote:
In article om, writes Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Nice idea, but don't expect anything to come of it. The situation behind another petition on there (save our waterways) was the subject of a Prime Minister's Question recently, and despite it being in the top ten petitions Bliar was unaware of the circumstances, so his office obviously pay great attention to what is being placed there. Adrian A good start is to educate the public so the wrong is no longer publicly justifiable, then they have to let it go to maintain votes. However with this particular petition they don t seem to have figured out the solution yet. That one doesnt have a prayer. NT |
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Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , "dennis@home" writes: wrote in message ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Don't be silly. I wouldn't trust some builders to do stuff without building regulations approval, certainly not most DIYers. Its all very well saying that (eg.) an opening needs a lintel but who is going to check? A year or so back, I asked some colleagues what sort of questions solicitors had asked about conformance to building regs when they were selling their houses. For that sample size of just two, the only building regs the solicitors were interested in checking up on were structural alterations, and underground drainage alterations. There were no questions about replacement windows, boilers, etc. I don't know if this is the norm or not. The buyers of both the houses that I have sold since the window rules changed have asked me to supply the relevent details (with certificates if necessary) about my double glazing (the second also asked me if I had ever claimed on the warranty). The one which I sold after the electricity rules changed did not ask about this. tim |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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ps.com... Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Chris I am sure most DIY'ers are ignoring Part P anyway. Spoke with an electrician who did a relevant Part P course before Part P came in so that he could 1) carry on his normal line of work and 2) peform all the necessary tests for DIY'ers. In the two years since Part P came in, he has had one phone call about testing someones installation, and after he gave a quote (£125 I think) heard no more. So basically zilch on the testing front. As for Prat P compliance testing of DIY installations being a great money earner as promised the the trade mags in 2004 he had a few words to say about that...... Mind you my council want £325 for Part P testing..... |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
In free.uk.diy.home Ian_m wrote:
Mind you my council want £325 for Part P testing..... I don't think that's allowed. The 'Part P testing' has to be part of the standard building regs charges, they can't add anything extra. A number of uk.d-i-y posters have pointed this out to councils who have tried to charge them and the councils have backed down. -- Chris Green |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
On Dec 23 2006, 10:23 am, wrote: Spotted this - obviously of interest to DIY'ers. (and anyone who just hates the nanny state in general). http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/deregulateDIY/ Chris That's stupid. There are a lot of things that can be done as DIY without planning permission that could be potentially dangerous if they did not adhere to the building regs. MBQ |
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Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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Bypass writes: wrote: I don't think that's allowed. The 'Part P testing' has to be part of the standard building regs charges, they can't add anything extra. A number of uk.d-i-y posters have pointed this out to councils who have tried to charge them and the councils have backed down. Are you sure you have this right? Yes -- it now says so in the reissued Part P itself, because many councils were breaking the rules. You won't get any electrician to carry out your testing, for Part P certification, without making a charge. Any electrician isn't allowed to do the testing. It has to be done by the council. They can subcontract it, but that's up to them to pay for out of the building control fee -- that's what the fee is for. The expectation is that the building control officers would do the inspecting themselves. Councils are forbidden from charging for the inspection, or requiring you to get it done at your expense, both of which were being tried on by many councils. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
In free.uk.diy.home Bypass wrote:
wrote: I don't think that's allowed. The 'Part P testing' has to be part of the standard building regs charges, they can't add anything extra. A number of uk.d-i-y posters have pointed this out to councils who have tried to charge them and the councils have backed down. Are you sure you have this right? You won't get any electrician to carry out your testing, for Part P certification, without making a charge. It's not the DIYer's responsibility to get the Part P testing done. The DIYer simply goes to the council and says "I've done some work that needs checking under part P building regulations", the council then checks it and, as I understand it, there are standard costs for the check. I think you mean that the Building Regulations inspection fee, should be based on the total cost of construction, less the cost of the self-certification works, such as Part P electrical? If it's "self-certified" by an electrician then s/he must have done the work, the cost (if any) will have been included in the cost of the work. You can't get an 'outside' electrician to certify some work that they haven't done and then show the certificate to the council. If you have uncertified work done then the only way to get it past building regs is to get the council building regs people to check it. If they use an outside electrician then that's entirely up to them but has no effect on what they can charge you. -- Chris Green |
Building regs and DIY - Petition on no 10 web site
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... In free.uk.diy.home Bypass wrote: wrote: snip If it's "self-certified" by an electrician then s/he must have done the work, the cost (if any) will have been included in the cost of the work. You can't get an 'outside' electrician to certify some work that they haven't done and then show the certificate to the council. If you have uncertified work done then the only way to get it past building regs is to get the council building regs people to check it. If they use an outside electrician then that's entirely up to them but has no effect on what they can charge you. Anyway its a mess. I have the following state in my kitchen: - The installer(s) did perform electrical tests of the work done (I have a test sheet), but issued no Part P paperwork to me or council as his understanding (which I now know is incorrect) is that he can self certify and needs to issue no paperwork. The kitchen supplier says its up to their contractors to issue correct paperwork and inform council, sub-contractors say they inform the kitchen supplier who then should inform the council of work undertaken. - The under unit fanned radiator (cost £100) I fitted and electrically tested is requiring a £325 charge from council to get tested and certified. |
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