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We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the
hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Is it generally recommended to set your main thermostat to max if you have TRVs fitted to rads? |
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Is it generally recommended to set your main thermostat to max if you
have TRVs fitted to rads? No. Doing so will cause poor energy efficiency and is against the spirit of the building regulations Part L1, which requires you to fit the thermostat in the first place. wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Very much so. In your situation, set the room thermostat as normal, but leave a door open from the hallway into a room with working heating. It won't be quite as good as fixing the radiator, but should help mitigate the consequences. Choose a room that is unlikely to be a fire risk, like a dining room. You don't want a fire in the kitchen blocking the hall or stairs. Christian. |
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On 26 Oct 2006 03:34:52 -0700 someone who may be
wrote this:- We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Far better to turn the thermostatic valve up to maximum and let the thermostat switch the heating on and off. This does of course assume that the hall is a good place for a main thermostat to be fitted.. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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Christian McArdle wrote: Is it generally recommended to set your main thermostat to max if you have TRVs fitted to rads? No. Doing so will cause poor energy efficiency and is against the spirit of the building regulations Part L1, which requires you to fit the thermostat in the first place. wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Very much so. In your situation, set the room thermostat as normal, but leave a door open from the hallway into a room with working heating. It won't be quite as good as fixing the radiator, but should help mitigate the consequences. Choose a room that is unlikely to be a fire risk, like a dining room. You don't want a fire in the kitchen blocking the hall or stairs. Christian. So if the hall radiator was working, should the thermostat be turned up to max? I don't understand why the plumber recommended this. The TRVs do not directly control the boiler, like the main thermostat does. I think the current location of the room thermostat is wrong as it is in the hall quite close to the door, which is one of the coolest locations in the house. Would it make more sense to relocate it to the lounge? |
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So if the hall radiator was working, should the thermostat be turned up
to max? No, this just bypasses the boiler interlock and defeats the object. I don't understand why the plumber recommended this. The TRVs do not directly control the boiler, like the main thermostat does. Because he is a thick as sh*t Luddite who knows how to make a compression joint, but knows nothing about HVAC design. I think the current location of the room thermostat is wrong as it is in the hall quite close to the door, which is one of the coolest locations in the house. In some ways, a cool location is ideal for a room thermostat, as it ensures that the boiler only stops firing when even the cool parts of the house have warmed up. Would it make more sense to relocate it to the lounge? Personally, I do prefer it in the lounge. Largely because that is where most time is spent, and thus you get the most accurate and comfortable temperature there. However, there are some caveats, especially if you have supplementary heating in that room, such as an open or gas fire. Also, if the layout of the house makes it naturally a particularly warm room, then it is inadvisable as a location. Christian. |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message .. . Would it make more sense to relocate it to the lounge? Personally, I do prefer it in the lounge. Largely because that is where most time is spent, and thus you get the most accurate and comfortable temperature there. Don't you get a comfortable temp by adjusting the TRV on the lounge rad? |
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Don't you get a comfortable temp by adjusting the TRV on the lounge rad?
Yes, but the positioning and accuracy of a programmable thermostat is vastly superior to a mechanical expansion device next to the rad. Christian. |
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So basically what the plumber told me about setting the thermostat to
max is rubbish. It certainly made no sense to me. Yes. You are right. Your plumber is wrong. Christian. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote: Christian McArdle wrote: (snip) I think the current location of the room thermostat is wrong as it is in the hall quite close to the door, which is one of the coolest locations in the house. That is intentional as you want it in the coolest place. Would it make more sense to relocate it to the lounge? No. Why not get a wireless thermostat? We originally had a fixed thermostat in the hall and it drove us mad - continually getting up to adjust it as the lounge got too hot or too cold. With the wireless thermostat we simply carry it round to whatever room we happen to be using. Even take it up to the bedroom at night, and just set it to a lower temperature. Although the wireless stat cost about £100, in the end it saves money because you only have heat where you want it. -- Jeff (cut "thetape" to reply) |
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We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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your plumber is wrong
your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years |
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your plumber is wrong
your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years |
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your plumber is wrong
your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years |
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your plumber is wrong
your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years |
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your plumber is wrong
your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years |
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marcusb3495 wrote: your plumber is wrong your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions It was just an 'observation' he made when we asked him about the broken radiator. But when the TRVs were installed as part of a house extension build, the plumber fitted a TRV in the hall where the thermostat is located. I think I'll just leave that one fully open. you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths So if I were to have a new combi boiler installed, do I call a plumber or heating engineer? Or both? |
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the plumber fitted a TRV in the hall where the thermostat is
located. What a pratt. I think I'll just leave that one fully open. Good idea. So if I were to have a new combi boiler installed, do I call a plumber or heating engineer? Or both? Call the asylum (unless you live alone and only like showers). Christian. |
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Christian McArdle wrote: So if I were to have a new combi boiler installed, do I call a plumber or heating engineer? Or both? Call the asylum (unless you live alone and only like showers). Am I mad? Here's my reasoning: The current boiler is 10 years old, on it's last legs, and will probably struggle with the extra radiators we added (hope it gets through the winter) The hot water storage tank fills an entire cupboard, which could be put to better use. We don't have baths, only showers. The shower pump is extremely noisy and we've had problems with it (I'm assuming this won't be needed with a combi) A combi will be more efficient and reduce my gas bill |
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marcusb3495 wrote:
your plumber is wrong your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years So true he said it 5 times.. |
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: pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: marcusb3495 wrote: your plumber is wrong your boiler will basically be calling for heat till july next year but you should not have a trv in the same room as the room stat as this is against current building regualtions you proberly should have called a heating engineer as you may have got better advice not someone who fits toilets and baths heating egineer for 20 years So true he said it 5 times.. sorry for that--not on purpose |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle
wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. |
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Geoff wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. Corns. -- ah |
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Geoff verbally sodomised in
: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. You can get cream for that. -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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"Theobold Watcher" verbally
sodomised in : On 29-Oct-2006, ah wrote: Geoff wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. Corns. Carbuncles. Carbootsale -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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Phil Kyle wrote:
Geoff verbally sodomised in : On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. You can get cream for that. Where? -- ah |
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Phil Kyle wrote:
"Theobold Watcher" verbally sodomised in : On 29-Oct-2006, ah wrote: Geoff wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. Corns. Carbuncles. Carbootsale Carbon alloy sail. -- ah |
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"Theobold Watcher" verbally
sodomised in : On 8-Nov-2006, Phil Kyle wrote: Geoff verbally sodomised in : On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. You can get cream for that. Craig Oldfield squeezes his boils and eats the cream that comes out. You *******. I'm sure you got the intended reaction out of me there. **** sake... -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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ah verbally sodomised in
: Phil Kyle wrote: Geoff verbally sodomised in : On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. You can get cream for that. Where? A shop. -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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"Theobold Watcher" verbally
sodomised in : On 8-Nov-2006, Phil Kyle wrote: "Theobold Watcher" verbally sodomised in : On 29-Oct-2006, ah wrote: Geoff wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. Corns. Carbuncles. Carbootsale OY! WE TOLD YOU! NO JAMES FOLLETT PAPERBACKS AT THIS SALE! You and your bloody standards. -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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ah verbally sodomised in
: Phil Kyle wrote: "Theobold Watcher" verbally sodomised in : On 29-Oct-2006, ah wrote: Geoff wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. Corns. Carbuncles. Carbootsale Carbon alloy sail. Carburettor fail. -- Phil Kyle™ T h i i s s l f i l S o n o i u e n g r s g |
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ah verbally sodomised in : Phil Kyle wrote: Geoff verbally sodomised in : On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC), Phil Kyle wrote: Harry Bloomfield verbally sodomised in : pretended : We have TRVs fitted to our radiators. The plumber recommended that the hall thermostat be turned up to max. Is this correct? Bearing in mind that our hall radiator is currently off due to it leaking, wouldn't this situation cause the boiler to fire up more often than it needs to? Ignoring your hall radiator problem for the moment and assuming it were working, I would still set your hall thermostat to comfortable temperature - such that it once the house is up to temperature it shuts the boiler off. Set to maximum - the boiler would cycle on and off frequently on the boiler stat, which is wasteful of energy and increase wear and tear on the boiler. Maximum is therefore bad advice. As your hall radiator is faulty, leave doors open so the thermostat gets heat from other rooms, then fine tune the hall stat once the rad is fixed. I wish my boiler had a seat. Boils. You can get cream for that. Where? A shop. What kinda shop? |
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