Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket in
a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood when
bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord comes to not
paying the deposit...

In article , Jonathan
writes
Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket in
a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?


Just get yourself a SDS drill and marvel how easy it will make this job.

Last year I renovated my parents old house and I remember him when he
used a thump and turn chisel type bit when he tried to put anything else
up when I were a lad, and in later years burning out and blunting drills
etc.

However with the Makita SDS it was so easy I just couldn't believe it
and really it was a pleasure doing hole drilling after that!....

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood when
bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord comes to not
paying the deposit...



--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:12:56 +0100, "Jonathan"
wrote:

Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket in
a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood when
bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord comes to not
paying the deposit...


Neither. Invest in an SDS drill - either Bosch or DeWalt (cost
£80-90). This will allow you to drill into the concrete like butter.
However, do make sure that you give the impression to the lady that it
is taking considerable effort so that she will think that you are a
real he-man. Hopefully, she will be very grateful.

No-More-Nails is not safely adequate for a job like this.




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..andy

It happens that Jonathan formulated :
Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?

You need to look up an SDS drill and bit. Expensive for a single use
though, but it is the only way. 'No Nails' will certainly _not_ support
that kind of weight - fine for holding the wood batten alone, but not
for anything attached to the batten.

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

sds

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...
Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket
in a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I
drilled a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but
when it came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after
about 15 minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit
for ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of
"no nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into
that?

I wouldn't rely on glue to hold a TV bracket.
As other posters have said an SDS drill will go through concrete with ease.
However an ordinary hammer drill shouldn't struggle that much.
Are you sure you are not drilling rebar?
If you are, stop before you do structural damage.
Move the hole a bit and try again.

laid this down on his screen :
sds

So what's wrong with SDS ? :-)

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Jonathan wrote:

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood
when bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord
comes to not paying the deposit...

Cheaper to buy a step ladder and place it on that,no need to drill wall
then. ;-)

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through
that.

You might try a steel drill but be prepared to throw that away. But it
will be cheaper than buying an SDS then finding you still have the
problem.

Where exactly is the concrete?

Harry Bloomfield wrote:
owdman laid this down on his screen :
sds
So what's wrong with SDS ?

I've got an SDS jigsaw. It used to cut quite well.

After serious thinking Weatherlawyer wrote :
It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through
that.

In that case, you can usually see bits of metal swarf on the tip of the
drill bit.

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

In article . com,
"Weatherlawyer" writes:

Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through
that.

Oh it will -- rebar in concrete is not a problem for SDS.
Of course, that's a really bad thing to do in a lintel,
where you often have only a single rebar anyway.

--
Andrew Gabriel

In message . com,
Weatherlawyer writes

Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through
that.

Thermal lance ...

--
geoff

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

After serious thinking Weatherlawyer wrote :

It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through
that.


In that case, you can usually see bits of metal swarf on the tip of the
drill bit.

Tungsten carbide has no magnetic properties, so I doubt that.

Dave

Wow - so many replies, I was expecting maybe one. OK, to deal with each in
turn, firstly...thanks to all!

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Jonathan
writes

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit
for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?)

However with the Makita SDS it was so easy I just couldn't believe it
and really it was a pleasure doing hole drilling after that!....

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
ups.com...

Where exactly is the concrete?

In the dividing wall between two rooms - a pipe finder didn't beep, so I'm
assuming that means no reinforcing there.
Or did you mean where as in "SW1"?!?

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...

Cheaper to buy a step ladder and place it on that,no need to drill wall

Done that!

"Owain" wrote in message
...

Or get those spectacles with a prism in, intended for watching telly in
bed.

Tried that too!

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...

and whether or not you bought it from "Aldi".

I know, they're pretty good for power tools - I bought a load a few months
ago. I see you had success with an SDS drill from Aldi too:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....ec2617ec3e133?
I'll have to keep an eye open for their next special on that!

"dennis@home" wrote in message
. uk...

Are you sure you are not drilling rebar?

Definitely not!

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I've got an SDS jigsaw. It used to cut quite well.

Were there any pieces missing or was it all in your head?

Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I
drilled a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit)
but when it came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave
up after about 15 minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

You can hire an SDS drill from a tool hire shop which should do the job.
Just checking - your drill wasn't in reverse was it?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" writes:

It sounds like you had found the steel. Even an SDS won't drill through that.

Oh it will -- rebar in concrete is not a problem for SDS. Of course, that's a really
bad thing to do in a lintel, where you often have only a single rebar anyway.

Time for you to take your tablets, take a deep swallow of water, then a
deep breath, make yourself comfortable, get yourself properly composed
and mentally balanced then read the ****ing thread you dimwit.

Then, who knows, you may find yourself ready to come to terms with the
fact that a pneumatic hammer pushing a revolving masonry bit will not
cut its way through anything.

The reason they revolve is so that they can sweep away the massive
quantities of dust they make pulverising the silicon crystals they are
designed to punch through.

Weatherlawyer has brought this to us :
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Oh, no he didn't - This was written by Chris Bacon :-
I've got an SDS jigsaw. It used to cut quite well.

Were there any pieces missing or was it all in your head?

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Dave formulated the question :
Tungsten carbide has no magnetic properties, so I doubt that.

....and the tunsten carbide bit is attached to what material?

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I've got an SDS jigsaw. It used to cut quite well.

Were there any pieces missing or was it all in your head?

SDS stands for the initial letters in German of (something like) Insert,
Twist, Lock. It was invented by Bosch and refers to a method of fixing a
drill bit or blade. The letters don't have anything to do with pnumatic
hammers although we use them that way.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In article , The Medway
Handyman writes
Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I
drilled a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit)
but when it came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave
up after about 15 minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

You can hire an SDS drill from a tool hire shop which should do the job.
Just checking - your drill wasn't in reverse was it?


Hire such a useful tool???. Haven't got a birthday coming up?, make an
excellent present to yourself!.


--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Medway
Handyman writes
Jonathan wrote:

So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I
drilled a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit)
but when it came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave
up after about 15 minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!
You can hire an SDS drill from a tool hire shop which should do the job.
Just checking - your drill wasn't in reverse was it?


Hire such a useful tool???. Haven't got a birthday coming up?, make an
excellent present to yourself!.



As an aside I don't have an SDS, but I have successfully drilled through
just about anything with a straight hammer drill.

One of the BIG secrets is making sure the drill is not going
backwards...on mine the reverse switch the opposite way to the cordless
screwdriver..and counrtless times I have had smoking drills and no
progress at all.:-)

In article ,
Jonathan wrote:
Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket
in a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer
drill So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving!
I drilled a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit)
but when it came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave
up after about 15 minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

SDS drill.

--
*It is wrong to ever split an infinitive *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

replying to Jonathan, sy wrote:
we are having hard time putting nail to hold the curtain rod on our concrete
wall. 1- It's hard to put nail deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete keep
breaks off. Is there special nail or drill that we should use? thanks,

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On Monday, 10 April 2017 22:14:04 UTC+1, sy wrote:
replying to Jonathan, sy wrote:
we are having hard time putting nail to hold the curtain rod on our concrete
wall. 1- It's hard to put nail deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete keep
breaks off. Is there special nail or drill that we should use? thanks,

There are masonry nails, but as you found they don't always work. Try wallplug & screw. Or glue a strip of wood on & screw to it.


NT

On 10/04/2017 22:14, sy wrote:
replying to Jonathan, sy wrote:
we are having hard time putting nail to hold the curtain rod on our
concrete
wall. 1- It's hard to put nail deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete keep
breaks off. Is there special nail or drill that we should use? thanks,


I suspect his curtain rod has been up and even taken down over the past
11 years.

This might assist you with posting to a newsgroup, albeit through a website:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context.

On Monday, 10 April 2017 22:14:04 UTC+1, sy wrote:
replying to Jonathan, sy wrote:
we are having hard time putting nail to hold the curtain rod on our concrete
wall. 1- It's hard to put nail deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete keep
breaks off. Is there special nail or drill that we should use? thanks,

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...-n-348967-.htm

You are replying to an eleven year old post.

In article ,
sy m wrote:
replying to Jonathan, sy wrote: we are having hard time putting nail to
hold the curtain rod on our concrete wall. 1- It's hard to put nail
deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete keep breaks off. Is there special
nail or drill that we should use? thanks,

Only easy way to fix to concrete is to buy an SDS drill and bits. For a
one off, possibly borrow from a friend or hire? They can be bought for
about £40 (mains) these days.

--
*Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Saturday, April 1, 2006 at 7:12:56 PM UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket in
a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about 15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood when
bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord comes to not
paying the deposit...

ram a small charge of dynamite into the hole and detonate. This will conveniently open it out for further action, like the tunnel borers technique.

"therustyone" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, April 1, 2006 at 7:12:56 PM UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
Trying to help a friend with a sprained neck mount a 14" tv on a bracket
in
a 70's flat with internal concrete walls using a standard hammer drill
So, the tv isn't THAT heavy, but the concrete is just not giving! I
drilled
a smaller pilot hole (took 5 minutes to go 1" with a 5mm bit) but when it
came to the 8mm bit, really nothing was happening. I gave up after about
15
minutes and 3mm having gone slightly deaf!

Do I: Drive all the way to B&Q and see if there is some super drill bit
for
ridiculously tough concrete (is there?) , OR, use a good splurge of "no
nails" to glue a square of wood into the wall, and then drill into that?

Only problem with that would be how she removes said square of wood when
bracket isn't needed or when she moves out and the landlord comes to not
paying the deposit...

ram a small charge of dynamite into the hole and detonate. This will
conveniently open it out for further action, like the tunnel borers
technique.

never trust glue .....go for mechanical fixing every time ......

On 12/04/2017 09:39, James Stewart wrote:

never trust glue .....go for mechanical fixing every time ......



don't fly.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 12/04/2017 09:39, James Stewart wrote:

never trust glue .....go for mechanical fixing every time ......



don't fly.


I try not to ...

On 12/04/2017 12:22, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/04/2017 09:39, James Stewart wrote:

never trust glue .....go for mechanical fixing every time ......



don't fly.


Don't crash.

On 11/04/2017 00:47, Fredxxx wrote:
On 10/04/2017 22:14, sy wrote:
replying to Jonathan, sy wrote:
we are having hard time putting nail to hold the curtain rod on our
concrete
wall. 1- It's hard to put nail deep enough to hold the rod. 2- Crete
keep
breaks off. Is there special nail or drill that we should use? thanks,


I suspect his curtain rod has been up and even taken down over the past
11 years.

You never know. It might still be on the job list for this Bank holiday:-)


--
Adam