Hi All

Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual house
construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a renovation
technique?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi All

Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual
house construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a
renovation technique?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Not for newbuild,but mainly a quicker and cheaper way of hiding the
brickwork in older properties rather than rendering it with backing plaster
then skimming.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Not for newbuild,but mainly a quicker and cheaper way of hiding the
brickwork in older properties rather than rendering it with backing plaster
then skimming.
Is that true ?
I thought trad wet undercoating etc was not done in new builds due to
the effort
and drying time.
The last dot and dab I did was to cover bad brickwork however, and I
put on so much
PB adhesive that the wall was as solid as a rock. I know that would be
a prob for insulation
on an outside wall, since the air gaps around the dabs are required for
insulation.
Simon.

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Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual house
construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a renovation
technique?

Loads of it round here, late 60s housing estate. Bloody nuisance it is,
too. A right sod to screw things to the wall 'cos it's neither your arse
nor your elbow. Best you can do is inject glue and leave it to set
before drilling again and hoping. Luckily my house doesn't have it, but
those up the other end of the estate all have it.

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Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:21:21 +0100, Guy King
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from "The Medway Handyman" contains
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Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual house
construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a renovation
technique?

Loads of it round here, late 60s housing estate. Bloody nuisance it is,
too. A right sod to screw things to the wall 'cos it's neither your arse
nor your elbow. Best you can do is inject glue and leave it to set
before drilling again and hoping. Luckily my house doesn't have it, but
those up the other end of the estate all have it.


As we are /were mentioning new builds can I ask what way new build
internal walls are usually constructed .Are they timber frames with
plasterboard cladding then taped .....I've always wondered about this
..Must be a nightmare when you move in and want to hang things on the
walls not knowing where the supports are exactly or if they arent't
where you would like them to be ..


Stuart

Stuart wrote:

As we are /were mentioning new builds can I ask what way new build
internal walls are usually constructed.

Presumably nowadays they just use balsa wood and corrugated cardboard!

Stuart wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:21:21 +0100, Guy King
wrote:

The message
from "The Medway Handyman"
contains these words:

Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual
house construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a
renovation technique?

Loads of it round here, late 60s housing estate. Bloody nuisance it
is, too. A right sod to screw things to the wall 'cos it's neither
your arse nor your elbow. Best you can do is inject glue and leave
it to set before drilling again and hoping. Luckily my house doesn't
have it, but those up the other end of the estate all have it.


As we are /were mentioning new builds can I ask what way new build
internal walls are usually constructed .Are they timber frames with
plasterboard cladding then taped .....I've always wondered about this
.Must be a nightmare when you move in and want to hang things on the
walls not knowing where the supports are exactly or if they arent't
where you would like them to be ..


Stuart

This plasterboard and taping technique should be banned.
I once stripped wallpaper off a living room, only to find that the paper had
been stuck directly to p-board.

Platerboard needs plastering (or artex if on a ceiling), everything else is
just cowboy country.

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This plasterboard and taping technique should be banned.
I once stripped wallpaper off a living room, only to find that the paper
had
been stuck directly to p-board.

Platerboard needs plastering (or artex if on a ceiling), everything else
is
just cowboy country.


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Plasterboard has two different surfaces. The grey side is for skimming and
the white (or ivory) is intended for painting or papering directly without a
skim. It's worth doing a small test scrape if you're stripping paper to see
what's underneath.

Cic.

Stuart wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:21:21 +0100, Guy King
wrote:

The message
from "The Medway Handyman"
contains these words:

Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual
house construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a
renovation technique?

Loads of it round here, late 60s housing estate. Bloody nuisance it
is, too. A right sod to screw things to the wall 'cos it's neither
your arse nor your elbow. Best you can do is inject glue and leave
it to set
before drilling again and hoping. Luckily my house doesn't have it,
but those up the other end of the estate all have it.


As we are /were mentioning new builds can I ask what way new build
internal walls are usually constructed .

steel 'wall in a box' type studs with plasterboard, 12mm, 2 layers of,
(if you're lucky) http://snipurl.com/oaxz if you're doing self build you can
still use steel & platerboard (2 layers 12mm) with blown paper insulation http://snipurl.com/oay7
to fill the voids. gives excellent sound and heat
insulation, very easy to do and comparatively cheap.

Guy King wrote:

Loads of it round here, late 60s housing estate. Bloody nuisance it
is, too. A right sod to screw things to the wall 'cos it's neither
your arse nor your elbow.

Phil L wrote;
It's used in about 80% of newbuild around here (N-West), in fact I know
plasterers who havent used a backing coat (render/bonding etc) for at least
ten years in their regular job.

Interesting! Reason I asked was that I had to fix a heavy mirror to a wall
in an up market flat built within the last 10 years.

When I say heavy, the b*st*rd had a solid steel frame - very techno looking.

Though my stud detector had packed up as I couldn't find a stud anywhere.
Eventually found a solid area by tapping & prodding, got a solid fixing in
the end. I can only assume it was dot & dab.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi All

Is the Dot n Dab method of plasterboarding walls common in actual
house construction? I've always assumed it was used primarily as a
renovation technique?

It's used in about 80% of newbuild around here (N-West), in fact I know
plasterers who havent used a backing coat (render/bonding etc) for at least
ten years in their regular job.

"Phil L" wrote


It's used in about 80% of newbuild around here (N-West), in fact I know
plasterers who havent used a backing coat (render/bonding etc) for at
least ten years in their regular job.
Our plasterer, with perhaps 30-40 years experience, who just did our new
extension dot/dab/skim, now turns down most render jobs because of the
physical manpower needed. He needs to call in less labour to get the job
done with dot dab. He also reckons that with the new thermal regs render
will become almost extinct.

Almost all the new builds around here are dot/dab/tape/fill/sand. Less
mixing up to do, a lot less skill/experience needed and the walls are dry to
be decorated in a few days rather than several weeks. Also services can be
run down behind the boards, no chasing required. Like it or lump it dot/dab
is becoming the only system around.

Henry

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:33:42 +0100, "Henry" wrote:


"Phil L" wrote


It's used in about 80% of newbuild around here (N-West), in fact I know
plasterers who havent used a backing coat (render/bonding etc) for at
least ten years in their regular job.
Our plasterer, with perhaps 30-40 years experience, who just did our new
extension dot/dab/skim, now turns down most render jobs because of the
physical manpower needed. He needs to call in less labour to get the job
done with dot dab. He also reckons that with the new thermal regs render
will become almost extinct.

Almost all the new builds around here are dot/dab/tape/fill/sand. Less
mixing up to do, a lot less skill/experience needed and the walls are dry to
be decorated in a few days rather than several weeks. Also services can be
run down behind the boards, no chasing required. Like it or lump it dot/dab
is becoming the only system around.

Henry

So what are they dot 'n dabbing on to .....how are the walls
constructed ..Is it brick on the outside then a timber frame with
insulation between .??


Stuart

Stuart wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:33:42 +0100, "Henry" wrote:


"Phil L" wrote


It's used in about 80% of newbuild around here (N-West), in fact I
know plasterers who havent used a backing coat (render/bonding etc)
for at least ten years in their regular job.
Our plasterer, with perhaps 30-40 years experience, who just did our
new extension dot/dab/skim, now turns down most render jobs because
of the physical manpower needed. He needs to call in less labour to
get the job done with dot dab. He also reckons that with the new
thermal regs render will become almost extinct.

Almost all the new builds around here are dot/dab/tape/fill/sand.
Less mixing up to do, a lot less skill/experience needed and the
walls are dry to be decorated in a few days rather than several
weeks. Also services can be run down behind the boards, no chasing
required. Like it or lump it dot/dab is becoming the only system
around.

Henry

So what are they dot 'n dabbing on to .....how are the walls
constructed ..Is it brick on the outside then a timber frame with
insulation between .??


Stuart

No, it's a normal brick outside/block inside wall with dot & dab onto the
block......occasionally they build timber framed inside - in this case the
P-board is just screwed in the normal way.