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Tim Downie March 15th 06 08:39 AM

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Well, I've done it again. Bought a cheap laptop and now paying the price.

Once again I've got problems with the DC power socket on a laptop. Symptoms
are of increasingly bad electrical contact (temporaily restored by wiggling
the plug) which has now reached the point of total non-conductivity. I've
checked the power supply lead and plug carefully and it isn't a problem with
either of them.

The last time this happened to me I was able to resolder the socket on the
motherboard but that doesn't look possible on this one.

By way of lateral thinking I got to wondering if it would be possible to
dismember the battery and lead power in through the battery contacts from a
suitable power supply (I'm not worried about running off battery power).
The slightly confusing thing is that the battery has 7 electrical contacts
so perhaps this idea is a non-starter.

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a new
motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and the end of
the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote laptop. spit

So, has anyone done this?

Tim



The3rd Earl Of Derby March 15th 06 08:45 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:
Well, I've done it again. Bought a cheap laptop and now paying the
price.

Once again I've got problems with the DC power socket on a laptop.
Symptoms are of increasingly bad electrical contact (temporaily
restored by wiggling the plug) which has now reached the point of
total non-conductivity. I've checked the power supply lead and plug
carefully and it isn't a problem with either of them.

The last time this happened to me I was able to resolder the socket
on the motherboard but that doesn't look possible on this one.

By way of lateral thinking I got to wondering if it would be possible
to dismember the battery and lead power in through the battery
contacts from a suitable power supply (I'm not worried about running
off battery power). The slightly confusing thing is that the battery
has 7 electrical contacts so perhaps this idea is a non-starter.

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit

So, has anyone done this?

Tim


You mean get a duff battery and take the cells out and connect power supply
to the lappy this way?
Yes it is possible as an old pico I had was subject to the same
problem,however this only had 4 terminals on battery,2 of them were not
active.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



Grunff March 15th 06 09:15 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a new
motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and the end of
the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote laptop. spit


Simplest thing to do is open it up, remove the DC socket and solder in a
short (~30cm) flying lead terminated in a line socket. Use a good
grommet at the exit hole.

And *don't buy Packard Bell again*!


--
Grunff

Tim Downie March 15th 06 10:24 AM

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Grunff wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit


Simplest thing to do is open it up, remove the DC socket and solder
in a short (~30cm) flying lead terminated in a line socket. Use a good
grommet at the exit hole.


I did that with an old Medion but the constant flexing of the fly lead
eventaully knackered it again. I was hoping for a better solution.


And *don't buy Packard Bell again*!


Well I know that *now*! ;-)

Tim



Tim Downie March 15th 06 10:26 AM

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The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

You mean get a duff battery and take the cells out and connect power
supply to the lappy this way?


Yep.

Yes it is possible as an old pico I had was subject to the same
problem,however this only had 4 terminals on battery,2 of them were
not active.


Having 7 contacts is certainly complicating things somewhat. I've wondering
if the might be a 5V take-off as well as a 12V one from the battery.

Tim



Grunff March 15th 06 10:29 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

Having 7 contacts is certainly complicating things somewhat. I've wondering
if the might be a 5V take-off as well as a 12V one from the battery.


No, the battery will have a single output voltage. Other contacts will
be various things - some unused and one (or two) temperature sensing.

--
Grunff

Grunff March 15th 06 10:30 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

I did that with an old Medion but the constant flexing of the fly lead
eventaully knackered it again. I was hoping for a better solution.


If you secure the lead to the case, you shouldn't have a problem for a
very long time.

--
Grunff

The Natural Philosopher March 15th 06 11:25 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

The slightly confusing thing is that the battery has 7 electrical contacts
so perhaps this idea is a non-starter.

I am afraid it probably is.

If it has lithium batteries in it they have a deal of clever circuitry
hung around them to make sure they don;'t get over charged, over
discharged, or relatively differentially charged.

Us toy plane fanatics rip all this out to save weight and increase
power, but we pay the price in increased danger of SERIOUS fires.

No way would I run a laptop without all that protection.

A LIPO fire is no joke.

The Natural Philosopher March 15th 06 11:25 AM

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Grunff wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit


Simplest thing to do is open it up, remove the DC socket and solder in a
short (~30cm) flying lead terminated in a line socket. Use a good
grommet at the exit hole.

And *don't buy Packard Bell again*!


I have to agree.

Weatherlawyer March 15th 06 11:27 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

Once again I've got problems with the DC power socket on a laptop.


Buy a secondhand docking station.


[email protected] March 15th 06 11:49 AM

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Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a new
motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and the end of
the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote laptop. spit


How old is it?

Remember the sale of goods act gives you more than just the
manufacturers warranty so you may be able to get a *free* repair for a
number of years. If, however, it was so cheap you couldn't reasonably
expect it to last very long then you may be on a hiding to nothing.

MBQ


Dennis Pogson March 15th 06 11:52 AM

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Weatherlawyer wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Once again I've got problems with the DC power socket on a laptop.


Buy a secondhand docking station.


Happened to me a few years ago. I learned the hard way that to disconnect a
laptop from it's power lead, you split the lead at the power brick and leave
the plug in the laptop socket, every time!

Inconvenient but very, very cheap!

Dennis.



Dennis Pogson March 15th 06 12:09 PM

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wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit


How old is it?

Remember the sale of goods act gives you more than just the
manufacturers warranty so you may be able to get a *free* repair for a
number of years. If, however, it was so cheap you couldn't reasonably
expect it to last very long then you may be on a hiding to nothing.

MBQ


Most of the £399 laptops are assembled by chimpanzees in coutries where it
is not illegal to train such members of the animal kingdom and pay them by
feeding them occasionally.

I tell my customers this, but they still go out and buy this garbage instead
of my Thinkpads and Toshes.

A chimpanzee let loose with a soldergun is not the best guarantee of joint
integrity, and they are so strong that they can tweak a nut to breaking
point without using a socket spanner.

As with cheap cameras, such laptops are not meant to be used, but are just
sold for effect, or as collectors items.

Be warned!

Dennis.





The3rd Earl Of Derby March 15th 06 12:16 PM

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Dennis Pogson wrote:
wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit


How old is it?

Remember the sale of goods act gives you more than just the
manufacturers warranty so you may be able to get a *free* repair for
a number of years. If, however, it was so cheap you couldn't
reasonably expect it to last very long then you may be on a hiding
to nothing.

MBQ


Most of the £399 laptops are assembled by chimpanzees in coutries
where it is not illegal to train such members of the animal kingdom
and pay them by feeding them occasionally.

I tell my customers this, but they still go out and buy this garbage
instead of my Thinkpads and Toshes.

A chimpanzee let loose with a soldergun is not the best guarantee of
joint integrity, and they are so strong that they can tweak a nut to
breaking point without using a socket spanner.

As with cheap cameras, such laptops are not meant to be used, but are
just sold for effect, or as collectors items.

Be warned!

Dennis.


But,but...toshy's are are a load of crap,you only have to go to the forum
on the american toshiba site a see how many people are getting peeved off
because of them being made by more chimps.


--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



dennis@home March 15th 06 12:29 PM

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"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Grunff wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be a
new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and and
the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell Easynote
laptop. spit


Simplest thing to do is open it up, remove the DC socket and solder
in a short (~30cm) flying lead terminated in a line socket. Use a good
grommet at the exit hole.


I did that with an old Medion but the constant flexing of the fly lead
eventaully knackered it again. I was hoping for a better solution.


You could solder the fly lead to a couple of steel plates and glue them to
the case.
Solder the power lead to a couple of magnetic catches and away you go.

Now polarity is a problem so you need to think about the shapes a bit.



The Natural Philosopher March 15th 06 01:35 PM

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wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

The slightly confusing thing is that the battery has 7 electrical contacts
so perhaps this idea is a non-starter.

I am afraid it probably is.

If it has lithium batteries in it they have a deal of clever circuitry
hung around them to make sure they don;'t get over charged, over
discharged, or relatively differentially charged.

Us toy plane fanatics rip all this out to save weight and increase
power, but we pay the price in increased danger of SERIOUS fires.

No way would I run a laptop without all that protection.

A LIPO fire is no joke.


The way I read it, he's talking about using a dismembered baterry
casing just to get access to the power terminals. If he takes out the
cells then there's no danger of fire.

MBQ

If that is the case, then yes, should work..

Dennis Pogson March 15th 06 05:36 PM

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wrote:
Dennis Pogson wrote:
wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be
a new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and
and the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell
Easynote laptop. spit

How old is it?

Remember the sale of goods act gives you more than just the
manufacturers warranty so you may be able to get a *free* repair
for a number of years. If, however, it was so cheap you couldn't
reasonably expect it to last very long then you may be on a hiding
to nothing.

MBQ


Most of the £399 laptops are assembled by chimpanzees in coutries
where it is not illegal to train such members of the animal kingdom
and pay them by feeding them occasionally.

I tell my customers this, but they still go out and buy this garbage
instead of my Thinkpads and Toshes.


My Thinkpad was only £399, new, from a high street store. IBM sold the
brand to Lenovo, and guess where they are made ;-)

MBQ


So that on leaves HP and Dell. I have 3 Toshes and they are all excellent.
But then, I don't spend my time pulling the mains lead in and out of them.If
I did........................who knows!
8-o




tony sayer March 15th 06 07:28 PM

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In article , Dennis Pogson
writes
wrote:
Dennis Pogson wrote:
wrote:
Tim Downie wrote:

Of course I could just send it off for repair but it's going to be
a new motherboard job and it probably needs a new battery too and
and the end of the day, it'll still be a fecking Packard Bell
Easynote laptop. spit

How old is it?

Remember the sale of goods act gives you more than just the
manufacturers warranty so you may be able to get a *free* repair
for a number of years. If, however, it was so cheap you couldn't
reasonably expect it to last very long then you may be on a hiding
to nothing.

MBQ

Most of the £399 laptops are assembled by chimpanzees in coutries
where it is not illegal to train such members of the animal kingdom
and pay them by feeding them occasionally.

I tell my customers this, but they still go out and buy this garbage
instead of my Thinkpads and Toshes.


My Thinkpad was only £399, new, from a high street store. IBM sold the
brand to Lenovo, and guess where they are made ;-)

MBQ


So that on leaves HP and Dell. I have 3 Toshes and they are all excellent.
But then, I don't spend my time pulling the mains lead in and out of them.If
I did........................who knows!
8-o




I've had a Dell.. useless thing..

Two S/Hand Tosh's and they've been fine:))
--
Tony Sayer


Adrian C March 15th 06 07:56 PM

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tony sayer wrote:
writes

wrote:


So that on leaves HP and Dell. I have 3 Toshes and they are all excellent.
But then, I don't spend my time pulling the mains lead in and out of them.If
I did........................who knows!
8-o


I've had a Dell.. useless thing..

Two S/Hand Tosh's and they've been fine:))


Latest Apple notebook uses a magnetically attached power connector. Of
course Apple's no longer use floppy discs.

--
Adrian C

Tim Downie March 15th 06 11:34 PM

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Adrian C wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
writes

wrote:


So that on leaves HP and Dell. I have 3 Toshes and they are all
excellent. But then, I don't spend my time pulling the mains lead
in and out of them.If I did........................who knows!
8-o


I've had a Dell.. useless thing..

Two S/Hand Tosh's and they've been fine:))


Latest Apple notebook uses a magnetically attached power connector. Of
course Apple's no longer use floppy discs.


Sounds like at leas one company has realised that there's a problem! Might
just consider an Apple for that reason alone. ;-)

Tim



[email protected] March 16th 06 04:49 PM

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Hello Tim,

Sounds like you know your stuff with pc 's. We are a Laptop Repair
Centre & work silently as a Laptop Repair Centre for Computer
Businesses accross the UK It might be worth having a look at
www.ukaptoprepair.co.uk or call us on 0800 043 2524 maybe we could be a
good plan B for you should any laptops (PC or Mac) repairs need a
second attempt within economical value of course.

Kind Regards

Gem


[email protected] March 16th 06 04:50 PM

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wrote:
Hello Tim,

Sounds like you know your stuff with pc 's. We are a Laptop Repair
Centre & work silently as a Laptop Repair Centre for Computer
Businesses accross the UK It might be worth having a look at
www.ukaptoprepair.co.uk or call us on 0800 043 2524 maybe we could be a


Is the 'phone number as accurate as the URL?

MBQ


The3rd Earl Of Derby March 16th 06 05:15 PM

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wrote:
wrote:
Hello Tim,

Sounds like you know your stuff with pc 's. We are a Laptop Repair
Centre & work silently as a Laptop Repair Centre for Computer
Businesses accross the UK It might be worth having a look at
www.ukaptoprepair.co.uk or call us on 0800 043 2524 maybe we could
be a


Is the 'phone number as accurate as the URL?

MBQ


What the L is missing. ;-) sign of a no good tradesman.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



Hzatph March 17th 06 09:02 PM

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"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Well, I've done it again. Bought a cheap laptop and now paying the price.

Once again I've got problems with the DC power socket on a laptop.
Symptoms are of increasingly bad electrical contact (temporaily restored
by wiggling the plug) which has now reached the point of total
non-conductivity. I've checked the power supply lead and plug carefully
and it isn't a problem with either of them.



I have just sent my Acer back with an identical experience ... under
warranty fortunately



Iris Fish March 18th 06 08:51 AM

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Owain wrote:
wrote:
... It might be worth having a look at
www.ukaptoprepair.co.uk

I could do with www.uktaptoprepair.co.uk to change a washer


I could do with www.flaptoprepair.co.uk to restore my hymen.


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