I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required throughout
the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present old clunker
of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end to the next,
except for the annual "service".

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

5. How do running costs compare?

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

--
Ian

news wrote:

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Oh dear... a google back on this group might be worthwhile, but you have
just asked one of those questions that non unlike boilers may generate
more heat than light!

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required throughout
the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present old clunker
of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end to the next,
except for the annual "service".

No different. Annual service. Assuming you are going for a sealed
system, then the occasional check on pressure. Ed's sealed system FAQ
has lots of good information and is well worth a read:

http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

Bleed them, as you would now. You may need to top up the pressure a
little afterwards. If the system has no leaks, and is running with
corrosion inhibitor in it, then you should not get any accumulation of
gas in the system once any air introduced with the fill water has all
been purged.

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

You don't need a permanent ladder or steps. You do need a floored
section, lighting, and guard rails round the loft hatch to prevent
anyone falling down it.

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

Pressure is less important than flow rate - although one will have a
knock on on the other. You need to check you have 20lpm available from
the rising main - any less would be getting marginal. If you have
inadequate flow then a combi would be a poor choice.

5. How do running costs compare?

Assuming the storage system is well lagged etc then they should be
comparable. Note that some of the cheaper combis will not run in
condensing mode when supplying hot water, so these would prove less
efficient. (the HW supply is not included in the SEDBUK efficiency
rating and hence you would see no difference here).

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

Loads probably... there will be a flame war along shortly to enlighten
and confuse you ;-)

You will find that there are strong proponents of both storage systems
and "instant" systems, who are incapable of seeing an alternative point
of view. You will need to take a balanced view as to what is most
suitable for your needs however.

Most of the arguments about stored Vs Combi stem around the delivery of
hot water. In general a stored system if correctly designed and
implemented will supply hot water faster - however whether this matters
to you will depend on your usage patterns.

While there are some that will claim "high flow rates are available" you
need to keep in mind that the laws of physics are not relaxed for
boilers of any sort. A stored system can deliver hot water at a rate
that would require an instantaneous heating rate well in excess of 100kW
to achieve with a combi. You gas supply is unlikely to be rated for more
than 60kW shared between all appliances, so go do the maths!

--
Cheers,

John.

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house
(i.e. not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required
throughout the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present
old clunker of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end
to the next, except for the annual "service".

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

5. How do running costs compare?

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

I think that most of the issues you've raised apply equally to combis and
conventional boilers, so don't really affect the choice. For example, if you
go for a conventional boiler, it would make sense to have a sealed rather
than vented system - so the issues of bleeding rads and topping up the
pressure are the same. The only real issue is the mains water supply - which
needs to be really good (like over 20 lites per minute) to be viable with a
combi.

The main practical difference is the issue of stored vs 'instant' hot water.
Stored hot water takes up space, but can fill a bath very quickly - and
provides a slightly warm area (even when well lagged) for airing clothes. A
combi will give you mains-pressure showers, but instant hot water can only
be produced at the lower of the rate at which the mains can deliver cold
water and the rate at which the combi can heat it. Even a high powered combi
will take longer to fill a bath than using stored hot water - particularly
in the winter when the incoming water is very cold.

There *is* a way in which you can have the best of both worlds if you wish.
Although a combi is designed to produce instant hot water and to heat your
radiators, there's no reason why the central heating side can't be zoned to
provide space heating *and* stored hot water. So you could use the HW side
of a combi to provide instant hot water to (say) your kitchen sink and a
mains pressure shower, whilst retaining your stored hot water system for
bath filling.
--
Cheers,
Set Square
______
Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.

news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.


They have only two things goind for them. Since they don't require a hot
water or cold awater storage tank, they are CHEAP and take up LESS SPACE

In all other ways they are totally inferior to a poroper pressurised hot
water system.

- they can't handle peak flow of hot water to do more than one shower or
one bayh or one sink at a time
- when they do, the central heating stops working.

compared with unpressurised hot water system that they often replace,
they can't fill a bath any better but they do have enough pressure for a
minimal un-pumped shower.

They are a cheap crappy way to make a heating system for a small
property that is just about acceptable for a bachelor flat or two
people, but not for a familiy.


Attempst to add 'heat banks' to them result in them becoming identical
in performance to a proper pressurised hot water tank, at slightly more
costs..



Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required throughout
the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present old clunker
of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end to the next,
except for the annual "service".


The same. All bopilers SHOULD have a service once a yera. I never
bother franjkly.

All bolers running at or near mains pressure primaries wil need re
pressurising occasionally. It takes about 5 minutes. Its very DIY.


2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

Bleed the *******s

Then re pressurise. It always happens, though inhibitor poured in helps
a lot. Its part of my 'autumn heating checkover'



3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

Blimey. No idea.


4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

Nothing.

5. How do running costs compare?


No different between combi/non combi. Well comnbi fanatics will arguye
that combis don't lose heat from the hot water tank, and anti- combis
will admit that a combi means never ever having a hot bath or a shower
woith stayiung inde for more than 2 minurtes, so I suppose a combi is
cheaper..you get what you pay for ;-)

6. Is there anything else I should know about?


DR Evil. Ignore all his advice. I think he is also known as Cicero these
days.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:12 GMT, news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

I think your questions 1-5 have been answered by the other replies.

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

I'm not an expert, but have gone through this myself recently. In
making a choice you need to consider many things like cost,
installation and efficiency.

Combis:
- Cheaper to install.
- No header tank required.
- Does not need airing cupboard.
- Takes longer to fill bath.
- Hot water at (almost) mains pressure.

Conventional:
- Hot water at lower pressure.
- Quicker bath filling.
- Showers may need boosting.

There are other types of system which store water at a higher pressure
or use stored water to heat the hot water which you may wish to
consider.

Mark.

"Set Square" wrote in message
...
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house
(i.e. not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required
throughout the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present
old clunker of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end
to the next, except for the annual "service".

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

5. How do running costs compare?

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

I think that most of the issues you've raised apply equally to combis and
conventional boilers, so don't really affect the choice. For example, if
you
go for a conventional boiler, it would make sense to have a sealed rather
than vented system - so the issues of bleeding rads and topping up the
pressure are the same. The only real issue is the mains water supply -
which
needs to be really good (like over 20 lites per minute) to be viable with
a
combi.

The main practical difference is the issue of stored vs 'instant' hot
water.
Stored hot water takes up space, but can fill a bath very quickly

Total nonsense - old wives tales. High flowrate versions of combis can fill
baths as fast as any cylinder,.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

They have only two things goind for them. Since they don't require a hot
water or cold awater storage tank, they are CHEAP and take up LESS SPACE

Total nonsense. What to pay over 2K for a combi. They are there. Want a
high flowrate? They are there.

"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:12 GMT, news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

I think your questions 1-5 have been answered by the other replies.

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

I'm not an expert, but have gone through this myself recently. In
making a choice you need to consider many things like cost,
installation and efficiency.

Combis:
- Cheaper to install.
- No header tank required.
- Does not need airing cupboard.
- Takes longer to fill bath.

Total nonsense. High flowrate models are available.

- Hot water at (almost) mains pressure.

Conventional:
- Hot water at lower pressure.
- Quicker bath filling.
- Showers may need boosting.

Also takes up lots of space.
Legionella potential

"news" wrote in message
...

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Here is a run down on combi's:

Firstly, a combi is a "combination" of the heating and water system in one
case, eliminating external tanks and cylinders, and generally supply hot
water at high main pressure. To confuse a little, some can run at very low
pressures and even off tanks. Generally most are fed from the mains. It is
generally a matter of mounting the boiler and connect up the pipes. The
expert designers have done the hard work for you and put all in one case.

Types of combi:

1) The Infinitely Continuous Combi -

Heats cold mains water instantly as it runs through the combi. It never runs
out of hot water. This is the most common type of combi, generally having
lower flowrates than Nos 2 & 3 below. The largest flow rate instant combi is
a two bathroom model, 22 litres/min ECO-Hometec. Being a condenser it is
very economical too. http://www.eco-hometec.co.uk

2) Unvented Cylinder Combi -

An unvented cylinder is a similar to a conventional cylinder but run off the
high-pressure cold mains. A combi with an integral unvented cylinder has
approx 60 litre cylinder heated to approx 80C, with a quick recovery coil
that takes all the boilers output. A fast acting cylinder thermostat ensures
the boiler pumps heat into the cylinder ASAP with a recovery rate from cold
around 5-8 mins (Ariston claim 8 mins). The 80C water is blended down to
about 45-50C. e.g's, Ariston Genus 27 Plus, Glow Worm, Powermax, Alpha
CD50.

3) Infinately Continuous/Unvented cylinder combi -

An example being the Alpha CD50, a combination of both having a two stage
flowrate, of high flowrate when using the stored water with an automatic
flow regulator switching in to reduce flow to an infinately continuous
flowrate of approx 13-14 litres/min.
http://www.alpha-boilers.com/products/CD50.html

4) Heat Bank Combi -

Incoming water is instantly heated running through a plate heat exchanger
(as is most instantaneous combi's) that takes its heat from a "domestic hot
water only" store of water at approx 80C (instantaneous combi's take the
heat from a heat-exchanger heater via the burner). A fast acting thermostat
ensures the boiler pumps all of its heat into the store ASAP with a recovery
rate about 5-8 mins from cold. The 80C water is blended down to about
45-50C. They are generally two stage flow rates, in that when the thermal
store is exhausted it reverts to what the burner can produce, which is
approx 11-12 litre/minute. e.g. Vokera & Worcester floor standing models
(standard washing machine sizes).

N.B. The heat bank is a variation of a thermal store, but is "not" a thermal
store in the conventional sense in that a coil carrying cold mains water
runs though a store of hot water kept at about 80C. Heat-banks are far more
efficient and give higher flowrates than conventional coiled thermal stores.
The stainless steel plate heat-exchangers do not scale up so easily.

5) Combined Primary Storage Unit

(Not classed as a combi, but a derivative of a combi, but still a one box
solution, so still in the same family)

These are a combination of a large thermal store, or heat bank, and boiler
in one casing. The units are large (larger than standard washing machine
size) and floor mounted. The heating is taken off the thermal store, which
in many cases the DHW taken off the store using a plate heat-exchanger
(heat-bank). Unlike the Heat-bank in 3) above the thermal store supplies
heating "and" DHW, giving the "combined" to the title. They are available
from 1 to 2.5 bathroom models. Gledhill do an excellent condensing
version, the Gulfsream 2000. http://www.gledhill.net

Nos. 2), 3), 4) & 5) have high flowrates. No. 1 "generally" has low
flowrates but there are always exceptions and some can be high - e.g. the
ECO-Hometec infinitely continuous combi, actually has a very high flowrate.
Nos 2), 3), 4) & 5) use stored water, but in different ways. Unlike No. 1
"some" versions will eventually run cold, but that takes quite a time, hence
some are referred to as "two bathroom" models, having the ability to fill
two baths with very fast recovery rates. As hot water is being drawn off
the high rating burner is also reheating. Very rare do these combi's run
out of hot water in average use. When taking one shower the burner may be
re-heating faster than what can be drawn-off. No. 3) above uses stored
water but will not run out of hot water (high and low flowrates). Most
versions of No. 4) above are two stage flowrate models (high and low
flowrates) and will also not run out of hot water.

There are combi models that give hot water and heating simultaneously as
Combined Primary Storage Units do. Most don't as they are hot water
priority.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

snip

Total nonsense - old wives tales. High flowrate versions of combis
can fill
baths as fast as any cylinder,.


Well I suppose it depends how hot you like your baths, how deep you
like your baths and how quick is 'quickly'...

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Total nonsense - old wives tales. High flowrate versions of combis can
fill baths as fast as any cylinder,.

Yup. And cold baths are good for you.

--
*He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless, dead.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

snip

Total nonsense - old wives tales.
High flowrate versions of combis
can fill baths as fast as any cylinder,.

Well I suppose it depends

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly haven't a clue.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Total nonsense - old wives tales. High flowrate versions of combis can
fill baths as fast as any cylinder,.

snip senile electric caber drivel

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:12 +0000, news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required throughout
the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present old clunker
of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end to the next,
except for the annual "service".

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

5. How do running costs compare?

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.



--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Dream on..

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:12 +0000, news wrote:

I am in the process of getting quotes for supplying and fitting a new
central heating boiler. We live in a largeish 4-bed detached house (i.e.
not a one-bed flat) with 14 radiators in all.

I know that I have to have a condensing boiler (none of the legal
letouts apply), but I am unsure about whether to have a conventional
condensing boiler or a combi.

Can anyone summarise the pros and cons of combis, or point me to sites
that may help. One supplier insists I should go combi, another says
conventional.

Assume that I know next to nothing about central heating.

I'm interested in the practicalities of the different types of boiler,
not the theoretical aspects. For example, for combi/conventional:

1. What kind of servicing/maintenance/supervision is required throughout
the year? (E.g. top-up, pressure check) -- with my present old clunker
of a boiler, I don't think about it from one year's end to the next,
except for the annual "service".

2. What do I do if the radiators go cold at the top (should this ever
happen in a sealed system?)

3. If the boiler is installed in the loft, must I have a permanent
ladder/steps, and electric lighting in the loft?

4. What happens if the incoming water pressure drops?

5. How do running costs compare?

6. Is there anything else I should know about?

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

In article ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Drivel must be an adman's idea of heaven. Believes every word of adverts
and doesn't understand specifications.

--
*That's it! I‘m calling grandma!

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: idiotically wrote:
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly haven't
a clue.

snip clueless babble

Drivel

snip senile electric caber babble

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

Cut and paste against experience? I think not.

--
*Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

Cut

snip senile babblingness

Care in the community has failed he should be institutionalised.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly
haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Dream on..


Stop whittering on to yourself!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article
ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly
haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Drivel must be an adman's idea of heaven. Believes every word of
adverts
and doesn't understand specifications.


I'm not even sure 'it' even believes, more likely just repeats...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

anip

Care in the community has failed he should be institutionalised.


LOL, you said it! Stop talking about yourself, otherwise the men in
white coats will come to take you back.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly
haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Dream on..

Stop whittering on to yourself!

Another one who has sneaked out of the clinic.

":::Jerry::::" idiotically wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message
...
In article
ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: idiotically wrote:
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
enews.net...

snip

Yes depends on who knows about these things and you clearly
haven't
a clue.


I have more of a clue than you will ever have.

Drivel

snip senile drivel

I'm not even sure

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":::Jerry::::" idiotically wrote in message
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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anip

Care in the community has failed he should be institutionalised.

LOL,

You disgusting scumbag. Do not laugh at the afflicted.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

No one gives a flying f*ck about your posts Dribble. The sales of
combi's are rapidly plumetting as the benefits of stored hot water
systems are being recognised by a generation of people brainwashed by
idiots like you. Copper sales are booming too. Now bugger off back
into your closet and take a few tablets, preferably the whole packet
you sad tw*t.


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In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

No one gives a flying f*ck about your posts Dribble. The sales of
combi's are rapidly plumetting as the benefits of stored hot water
systems are being recognised by a generation of people brainwashed by
idiots like you. Copper sales are booming too. Now bugger off back
into your closet and take a few tablets, preferably the whole packet
you sad tw*t.




OP here. Er, was it something I said ..............? :-))

Thanks to (almost) everyone for the "helpful" comments.

--
Ian

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

No one

snip babbling insanity by Lord Hall

"news" wrote in message
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In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news

Oh no not again. See main FAQ.

Which on combis is absolutely pathetic. Read my post on this thread on
combis.

No one gives a flying f*ck about your posts Dribble. The sales of
combi's are rapidly plumetting as the benefits of stored hot water
systems are being recognised by a generation of people brainwashed by
idiots like you. Copper sales are booming too. Now bugger off back
into your closet and take a few tablets, preferably the whole packet
you sad tw*t.

OP here. Er, was it something I said ..............? :-))

No. This is the Internet where any insane Looney can have access.

Thanks to (almost) everyone for the "helpful" comments.

--
Ian

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
No. This is the Internet where any insane Looney can have access.

Yup. And invariably hide behind silly names and false addresses.

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*I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

news wrote:

OP here. Er, was it something I said ..............? :-))


Not you, just Dribble :-) , a part time plumbing counter assistant,
who is solely responsible for flooding across huge areas of a North
London council estate where the gas, water and electricity are still
cut off on the grounds of safety. Drivel has a strange fascination
with Combi boilers, dismissing storage systems without any regard for
the users requirements. Some have put this down to the fact he wasn't
breast fed, others to a strange incident involving his mother and a
randy plumber fitting a copper tank . True but sad.




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"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
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news wrote:

OP here. Er, was it something I said ..............? :-))


Not you,

It was.

Lord Hall, stop telling lies you Godless person. .

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
faltulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

No. This is the Internet where any insane Looney can have access.

Yup.

And here we have one. This one is prime example of Internet looniness.
Clear he was not chastised as a child.

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
And here we have one. This one is prime example of Internet looniness.
Clear he was not chastised as a child.

So you approve of beating children? Sort of figures. Do you ask your
nurse to flagellate you too?

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*Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" thougha haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

And here we have one. This one is prime example of Internet looniness.
Clear he was not chastised as a child.

So you approve of beating children?

The likes of you.....yes. You did not get beaten enough. Look at how you
ended up. A sad case, a truly sad case.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" thougha haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

And here we have one. This one is prime example of Internet looniness.
Clear he was not chastised as a child.

So you approve of beating children?

The likes of you.....yes. You did not get beaten enough. Look at how you
ended up. A sad case, a truly sad case.


Aaaarrrggh - Doctor Drivel - drivel - kill file - Plink ! Job done !

Nick

"Nick" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" thougha haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

And here we have one. This one is prime example of Internet
looniness.
Clear he was not chastised as a child.

So you approve of beating children?

The likes of you.....yes. You did not get beaten enough. Look at how
you
ended up. A sad case, a truly sad case.

Aaaarrrggh - Doctor Drivel - drivel - kill file - Plink ! Job done !

Thank you. Another one who was not chastised as a child.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

DR Evil. Ignore all his advice. I think he is also known as Cicero these
days.

I don't believe that for a moment (the Cicero bit I mean). Shurely
shome mishtake? Evidently Cicero didn't see this or I think he might
have jumped up and down a bit!

David