Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO and
me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and I keep
turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in that she
can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas I'm sitting
next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

David

Lobster wrote:
Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO
and me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and
I keep turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in
that she can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas
I'm sitting next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from
my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she
has sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat
which has admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso
over the years, and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or
'hers'!

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs around
with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being to turn it up
full :-# She does the same in the car - has no concept of how thermostats
work...

Dave

Lobster wrote:
This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation,

This is bloody irritating. I used to get that, also "Oh it's far to
hot to do anything" in the summer. It seemed that 26-27 deg. C was
the only acceptable range.


and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

Bedroom, 18 deg. C; downstairs, 20 should be OK. It may help to
show her the recommended temperature for bedrooms occupied by
babies, or to put thermometers in all rooms.

Lobster wrote:
Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO
and me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and
I keep turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in
that she can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas
I'm sitting next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from
my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she
has sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat
which has admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso
over the years, and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or
'hers'!

David

Is she skinny? skinny people feel the cold more so than people of average
weight.

It has been a bit chilly last to days but appearing night time though.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:11:40 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO and
me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and I keep
turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in that she
can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas I'm sitting
next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

I get the same!

18-21 deg C is about normal.

sponix

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

David

I'd say this is impossible to resolve in the home.
When I was working we moved from individual offices (with separate radiators
and openable windows) into a new open-plan area, and had a new
air-conditioning system installed. Naively I expected that 20-21degC would
be acceptable as it had been in the small offices, but I'd forgotten that at
the time, most women were doing sedentary jobs such as clerical, whilst the
men in this department were much more (physically) active. I'd also not
realised how the slight but persistent a/c draughts affected one's
perception of temperature. We ended up with the thermostat set so that the
air temperature was 23degC. The women were happy sitting in their thin
blouses etc., and the men learnt to remove their jackets. On entering the
department, male visitors frequently remarked how hot it was, but seemed to
accept the conditions after a few minutes.
If we tried lowering the temperature slightly, complaints flooded in from
the women.
--
M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

It seems to be a female thing. I work with many girls of all ages on
location filming where they'll wrap up well against the weather - and not
be too concerned with how they look. But are far more likely to complain
than the blokes. Of course they tend to be in more sedate jobs, I suppose.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs around
with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being to turn it up
full :-# She does the same in the car - has no concept of how thermostats
work...

I call our thermostat the on / off switch because if the radiators are cold
I get called all the names and she goes and turns them back on. Its the same
in the car with the climate control
We'll see how she gets on with the CM67's that are going to be installed (
tamperproof in a too technical way ) but I suspect we'll have some rows
about TRV's

Regards Jeff

In article ,
says...
Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO and
me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and I keep
turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in that she
can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas I'm sitting
next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

Mines the same - and I've got less insulation than she has :-) I
reckon women are designed to keep warm by constantly cooking, cleaning,
washing while men are designed to stay cool by lounging in front of the
telly in their vest and pants with a cold beer.

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

Of course it's your fault ;^

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Lobster wrote:

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs around
with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being to turn it up
full :-# She does the same in the car - has no concept of how thermostats
work...

You haven't taught her.

~Mary

Dave

"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:11:40 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO and
me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and I keep
turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in that she
can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas I'm sitting
next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

I get the same!

18-21 deg C is about normal.

That's VERY hot!

But I suppose it depends what you're doing, we rarely sit down except at the
table to eat so we create our own heat. Our thermostate is never turned to
more than 15 - but of course they'e not spot on.

The CH certainly hasn't been neessary yet. There's an autumnal nip in the
air but I'm still in shorts and Tshirt and most days we're eating lunch
outdoors. This in Yorkshire.

I'm not comfortable with the CH on during the night, if it's realy cold I
use a hwb.

Mary

sponix

"Jeff" wrote:

We'll see how she gets on with the CM67's that are going to be installed (
tamperproof in a too technical way ) but I suspect we'll have some rows
about TRV's

The good thing about the CM67 is you can also invisibly offset the
thermostat. You can tell her it's 23 deg when it's only 20 - win the
argument and also save money :-)


--

wrote in message ...
On 19 Sep,
Chris Bacon wrote:


Bedroom, 18 deg. C; downstairs, 20 should be OK. It may help to
show her the recommended temperature for bedrooms occupied by
babies, or to put thermometers in all rooms.

I'd go for 16-17 for bedrooms etc, and 19 for lounge. SWMBO disagrees
though,
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

Mary

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:36:15 GMT, "ben" wrote:



Is she skinny? skinny people feel the cold more so than people of average
weight.

It has been a bit chilly last to days but appearing night time though.


And people with red hair we learnt only this morning.

Andy

Lobster wrote:
I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to be a
'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem or 'hers'!

Well our (office) aircon is set to 21C all year round, and it's
comfortable

alex

--
Alex Meaden
Technical Support Officer
Computing Service
University of Kent

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

IMHO the first part of the statement is true. And I'm not sure if you can
acclimatise to uncomfortable temperatures - although you could wear more
or more suitable clothing.

--
*Hang in there, retirement is only thirty years away! *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:59:53 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message

18-21 deg C is about normal.

That's VERY hot!

Are you a polar bear, perchance?

sponix

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:36:15 GMT, "ben" wrote:



Is she skinny? skinny people feel the cold more so than people of average
weight.

And people with red hair we learnt only this morning.

ITYF that research has been available for several months, and relates to
perception of *pain* caused by cold rather than "feeling chilly". So
maybe rather than shattering the notion that Celts are hardy it's
actually a genetic mutation to reduce the risk of frostbite.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:14:35 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:36:15 GMT, "ben" wrote:



Is she skinny? skinny people feel the cold more so than people of average
weight.

And people with red hair we learnt only this morning.

ITYF that research has been available for several months, and relates to
perception of *pain* caused by cold rather than "feeling chilly". So
maybe rather than shattering the notion that Celts are hardy it's
actually a genetic mutation to reduce the risk of frostbite.

Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to point out to my wife that
she in no danger of frostbite, sat on the sofa in a centrally heated
room, watching TV. Mind you, it did kind of support her complaint that
dentists never give her enough anaesthetic first time.

Andy

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:23:09 +0100, wrote:

On 19 Sep,
Matt wrote:


The good thing about the CM67 is you can also invisibly offset the
thermostat. You can tell her it's 23 deg when it's only 20 - win the
argument and also save money :-)

That wouldn't work here. She'd check with her own thermometer. Probably at
foot level. Perhaps a job for a small area of UFH?

Slide the tube up a bit. :-)

Andy

"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:59:53 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message

18-21 deg C is about normal.

That's VERY hot!

Are you a polar bear, perchance?

No, but I'm uncomfortable when it's over 15C.

Things have been much better in our house since we (that is Spouse, at my
urging) fitted thermostatic valves to the radiators.

Mary

sponix

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

IMHO the first part of the statement is true.

You know how ALL women are?

Of course you don't. In your experience it might be true but your opinion,
humble or not, is not.

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
Lobster wrote:

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs
around with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being
to turn it up full :-# She does the same in the car - has no
concept of how thermostats work...

You haven't taught her.

With respect, Mary, it's not a question of teaching, believe me I've tried.
It's simply the case that SWMBO likes it warmer than I do, and reading some
of the other responses to this thread it seems she's not alone! Maybe women
are like cats and men like dogs - at least IME - our cat always basks in the
sun whilst the dog finds the shady spot...

Dave

On 19 Sep 2005, Lobster wrote

-snip-

I know there's no easy solution to the problem of our temperature
incompatibility, but I'm curious to know what others consider to
be a 'normal' temperature around the house - ie is it 'my' problem
or 'hers'!

My wife and I seem to agree on 20-21 as our standard.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs
around with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being
to turn it up full :-# She does the same in the car - has no
concept of how thermostats work...

You haven't taught her.

With respect, Mary, it's not a question of teaching, believe me I've
tried.
It's simply the case that SWMBO likes it warmer than I do,

Ah - but you said she had no concept of how thermostats work ...

and reading some
of the other responses to this thread it seems she's not alone!

I'm sure she's not. Some women - and some men - prefer to be warmer than
others. It's not peculiar to women - but that wasn't your point when you
talked about not understanding how thermostats work.

That's notpeculiar to women either, I know some men who don't understand. I
don't complain about them because they don't live here. Only one was still
at home in 1984 when we installed CH and he'd already been taught (so had
the others but that's a different matter).

The reason we installed CH was that Spouse had a heart attack and got a lot
of chest pain when breathing cold air, especially when he was asleep. He
even gave up his beloved motorbike in favour of the more comfortable
atmosphere of four wheels. I didn't complain about either because it was for
his sake.

The CH is controlled only by thermostats, our lives are too haphazard for
the timer to be convenient.

These days he'd rather put on more clothes than have a high air temperature
and has gone back to a scooter.

Mary

Malcolm Stewart wrote:

The women were happy sitting in their thin
blouses etc.,

If we tried lowering the temperature slightly, complaints flooded in from
the women.

Heh.... ladies,thin blouses and an artificially "broken" heating system.

I s'pect there would be more than just "a" nip in the air!

:¬))


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In message , Dave writes
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
Lobster wrote:

It's not your problem or her's IME. It's the way it is. SWMBO fafs
around with the thermostat all the time, her favourite trick being
to turn it up full :-# She does the same in the car - has no
concept of how thermostats work...

You haven't taught her.

With respect, Mary, it's not a question of teaching, believe me I've tried.
It's simply the case that SWMBO likes it warmer than I do, and reading some
of the other responses to this thread it seems she's not alone! Maybe women
are like cats and men like dogs - at least IME - our cat always basks in the
sun whilst the dog finds the shady spot...

Dave



I have my thermostat set to between 21C and 23C - 20 is a little chilly,
and 24 is too hot.

--
Richard Faulkner

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

IMHO the first part of the statement is true.

You know how ALL women are?

Of course you don't. In your experience it might be true but your
opinion, humble or not, is not.

A generalization means just that. There will always be exceptions by
nature. And you're an exceptional woman. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Mary Fisher wrote:

You haven't taught her.

With respect, Mary, it's not a question of teaching, believe me I've
tried.
It's simply the case that SWMBO likes it warmer than I do,

Ah - but you said she had no concept of how thermostats work ...

Pedant :-) She doesn't /appear/ to- despite my explaining to her how they
work - actually that's probably not quite true, she's not daft, just likes
to be in control - and winding the thermostat up full means she's in control
of the boiler!

We had the 'technical' discussion about it when we were in the car (she's
just wound the a/c up full and I objected). It seems that, for her at least,
the hysterisis inherent in the system leads to too much variation in
temperature. As far as I'm concerned it works fine and I very rarely feel
any variation - if I start to feel too warm in the house I simply re-adjust
the thermostat. Life's too short!

Dave

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:34:42 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

IMHO the first part of the statement is true.

You know how ALL women are?

Of course you don't. In your experience it might be true but your
opinion, humble or not, is not.

A generalization means just that. There will always be exceptions by
nature. And you're an exceptional woman. ;-)

No, she's just as pedantic as all the rest ! ;-)

Andy

"Owain" wrote in message
...
wrote:
The good thing about the CM67 is you can also invisibly offset the
thermostat. You can tell her it's 23 deg when it's only 20 - win the
argument and also save money :-)
That wouldn't work here. She'd check with her own thermometer. Probably
at
foot level. Perhaps a job for a small area of UFH?

Fur lined rigger boots

In fact that's a very good idea. If my feet are warm the rest of me is hot.

I hate having hot feet, which is one reason I wear sandals all year round
except on the scooter in very cold weather.

But many people - men as well as women - think that appearance is more
important than comfort and safety.

sigh

Mary

Owain

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You haven't taught her.

With respect, Mary, it's not a question of teaching, believe me I've
tried.
It's simply the case that SWMBO likes it warmer than I do,

Ah - but you said she had no concept of how thermostats work ...

Pedant :-) She doesn't /appear/ to- despite my explaining to her how they
work - actually that's probably not quite true, she's not daft, just likes
to be in control - and winding the thermostat up full means she's in
control
of the boiler!

We had the 'technical' discussion about it when we were in the car (she's
just wound the a/c up full and I objected).

Ah - a technical discussion.

I can imagine it :-)

It seems that, for her at least,
the hysterisis inherent in the system leads to too much variation in
temperature.

What - all the time???

As far as I'm concerned it works fine and I very rarely feel
any variation - if I start to feel too warm in the house I simply
re-adjust
the thermostat. Life's too short!

Buy her some fiur lined boots and a mink coat. T'wouldn't work with me -
but nor do 'technical discussions' G

Mary

Dave

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Women like higher temperatures, and won't acclimatise.

Don't generalise. It devalues your otherwise reasonable argument.

IMHO the first part of the statement is true.

You know how ALL women are?

Of course you don't. In your experience it might be true but your
opinion, humble or not, is not.

A generalization means just that. There will always be exceptions by
nature. And you're an exceptional woman. ;-)

I didn't know that I was any more exceptional than anyone else. We're all
individuals, nobody's the same. Well, that will probably bring on examples
of idential twins, in my experience even they have differences. If they
didn't their parents wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

You still don't know about all women. My experience of how women perceive
temperture is different from yours. What does that mean?

Mary

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:11:40 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Now that the weather is turning cooler and the CH is on again, SWMBO and
me have started the usual game where she keeps turning it up and I keep
turning it down again... clearly we have a marital problem in that she
can be wrapped up in a jumper but with goosepimples, whereas I'm sitting
next to her wearing a T-shirt, but mopping sweat from my brow.

This year SWMBO has resorted to claiming I have some medical condition
which has screwed up my thermoregulation, and the latest tactic she has
sunk to is to blame the insulating layer of subcutaneous fat which has
admittedly been increasing in thickness around my torso over the years,
and that I need to lose some weight... Pah!

Hi,

Maybe get your blood pressure checked, if high it can lead to feeling
too hot as your heart pumps harder to move the blood around your body.

Also if overweight the extra bodymass makes your body generate more
heat as you move around.

What temperature are your rooms heated to BTW? With my parents it's
the other way round to you and your SWMBO.

cheers,
Pete.

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
....
Bedroom, 18 deg. C; downstairs, 20 should be OK. ...

Although those are the recommended temperatures, I find them far too cold.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
A generalization means just that. There will always be exceptions by
nature. And you're an exceptional woman. ;-)

I didn't know that I was any more exceptional than anyone else. We're
all individuals, nobody's the same.

But you're rather rare in posting to uk.d-i-y? The vast majority are
blokes. Apart from IMM, obviously. Gawd knows what it is. Perhaps Zog
doesn't have sexes.

Well, that will probably bring on
examples of idential twins, in my experience even they have
differences. If they didn't their parents wouldn't be able to tell them
apart.

You still don't know about all women. My experience of how women
perceive temperture is different from yours. What does that mean?

Seems that most here agree that females seem to want higher temperatures
than males - in general. I'm not making any judgments based on this. ;-)

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nightjar nightjar@ wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote...
Bedroom, 18 deg. C; downstairs, 20 should be OK. ...

Although those are the recommended temperatures, I find them far too cold.

I didn't know that. I remember thinking, when the Young Master
was newborn, that the recommended temperatures for rooms (which
is 16-20 deg. C, comfortable wearing light clothing) seemed a
bit low, especially considering the heat in the hospital. The
upstairs room I'm in is now about 60 deg. F, downstairs it's
17C (up a bit from when I came in, 'cos I've had the door open!).

Matt wrote:
You can tell her it's 23 deg when it's only 20 - win the
argument and also save money :-)


Just how much suffering can you endure?? Marry a rich woman who pays
the bills and settle for a reasonable 25C ambient all the year round!

Regards
Capitol

In article , says...

The
upstairs room I'm in is now about 60 deg. F, downstairs it's
17C

Metrication hasn't reached upstairs yet?

David

David McNeish wrote:
chrispbacon says...
The
upstairs room I'm in is now about 60 deg. F, downstairs it's
17C

Metrication hasn't reached upstairs yet?

The clock (!) downstairs is set to read in deg. C;
the thermometer on the wall here reads both; I use both
interchangably, although I must confess a propensity to
reading warm summer days in deg. F, but cold winter ones
(not that we're there yet!) in deg. C. I have no idea why.