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Neater End Feed Soldered Joints - How ?
Having mastered being able to produce reliable end feed soldered joints
I want to try and get them looking neater. What I am finding is that when I am soldering 'uphill' (e.g. the lower joint in a straight connector on a vertical piece of pipe) I always get a drip of solder roll down the pipe as I pull the solder reel away when I finish. This looks messy and remains visible even after painting. 1) Am I leaving it too long so that the joint is overloaded with solder ? 2) Am I heating the joint up too much so that the solder is flowing out of the joint? I always do the highest part of the connector first and work downwards doing any 'uphills' last. Is this the correct order of work or is it better to work from the bottom upwards ? 3) You heat the connector not the pipe so that the solder is dragged inwards right ? 4) Is there a way of wiping away any excess before the joint cools (or even afterwards but without damaging the joint) so if I do make a mess I can quickly wipe it away? Perhaps I'm just being fussy ? TIA for any help. |
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On 1 Sep 2005 10:59:04 -0700, wrote:
What I am finding is that when I am soldering 'uphill' (e.g. the lower joint in a straight connector on a vertical piece of pipe) I always get a drip of solder roll down the pipe as I pull the solder reel away when I finish. Basically you are adding to much solder. It takes very little to make a reliable endfed joint, maybe 1/4" of plumbing gauge solder. 1) Am I leaving it too long so that the joint is overloaded with solder? Yep... you need to add just enough so that a bright ring of silver appears all round the joint. 2) Am I heating the joint up too much so that the solder is flowing out of the joint? Possibly, the joint and pipe need to be just hot enough to melt the solder when it is applied. This is where the skill comes in knowing how long you need to heat a 15, 22 or 28mm joint with your torch to achieve just the right temperature. 3) You heat the connector not the pipe so that the solder is dragged inwards right ? Heat both otherwise the end of the pipe in the joint maybe to cool. Play the flame mainly on the connector but don't neglect the pipe or the back side of both, aim for as even heating as possible. 4) Is there a way of wiping away any excess before the joint cools (or even afterwards but without damaging the joint) so if I do make a mess I can quickly wipe it away? Yes, just like real plumbers used to join led pipes. All you need is a bit of damp cloth and swift but gentle action. Perhaps I'm just being fussy? Not at all. It's the lack of attention to detail that ****es me of with the standard of workmanship from so called "professionals". If I'm paying someone to do a job I expect it to be of a better standard than I could do myself. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
andy.hide wrote: | 4) Is there a way of wiping away any excess before the joint cools (or | even afterwards but without damaging the joint) so if I do make a mess | I can quickly wipe it away? Wipe the solder off with a damp cloth. No, don't do that, use a dry cloth. The shock from using a "damp" cloth[1] may cause the solder to granulate. [1] Various values of "damp". |
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Chris Bacon wrote in message ... Dave Fawthrop wrote: andy.hide wrote: | 4) Is there a way of wiping away any excess before the joint cools (or | even afterwards but without damaging the joint) so if I do make a mess | I can quickly wipe it away? Wipe the solder off with a damp cloth. No, don't do that, use a dry cloth. The shock from using a "damp" cloth[1] may cause the solder to granulate. [1] Various values of "damp". No if you are going to be fussy go to a plumbers merchant and buy a moleskin. Every job has the correct tool and the next best thing that comes to hand Aka Dimm and hacksaws. - |
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He was not suggesting you eat it
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Chris Bacon wrote: Dave Fawthrop wrote: andy.hide wrote: | 4) Is there a way of wiping away any excess before the joint cools (or | even afterwards but without damaging the joint) so if I do make a mess | I can quickly wipe it away? Wipe the solder off with a damp cloth. No, don't do that, use a dry cloth. The shock from using a "damp" cloth[1] may cause the solder to granulate. [1] Various values of "damp". I've always used a dry cotton cloth as well but if it is slightly damp it's also fine. |
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Owain wrote in message news:... Mark wrote: No if you are going to be fussy go to a plumbers merchant and buy a moleskin. And for vegetarian plumbers? ;-) I don't do dietary advice :¬) but i have sniped all the header crap you include in every post - |
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Mark wrote:
but i have sniped all the header crap you include in every post and replied to the wrong post just for good measure.... (did you loose the References header in your snipping by any chance? ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote in message ... Mark wrote: but i have sniped all the header crap you include in every post and replied to the wrong post just for good measure.... (did you loose the References header in your snipping by any chance? ;-) Possibly, once I start its hard to stop :-) Then again Owens References Details Fcuk-up my servers threading anyway. - |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: andy.hide wrote: What I am finding is that when I am soldering 'uphill' (e.g. the lower joint in a straight connector on a vertical piece of pipe) I always get a drip of solder roll down the pipe as I pull the solder reel away when I finish. Basically you are adding to much solder. It takes very little to make a reliable endfed joint, maybe 1/4" of plumbing gauge solder. My big failing too. I always add a bit more 'for luck' and leave a great big blob hanging off the pipe ! Good seal though ;-) Paul. |
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Owain wrote:
Mark wrote: John Rumm wrote but i have sniped all the header crap you include in every post and replied to the wrong post just for good measure.... (did you loose the References header in your snipping by any chance? ;-) Possibly, once I start its hard to stop :-) Then again Owens References Details Fcuk-up my servers threading anyway. Nobody else complains, and Thunderbird/Clara is usually a fairly reliable combination. NTL and Outlook Express on the other hand ... Owain NTL yes, but Outhouse Distress ! Take another look. Are you another one those qualified I.T engineer type people....... - |
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Mark wrote:
NTL yes, but Outhouse Distress ! Take another look. Well according to the headers of your last couple of messages before this one, that is what was being reported as your client. E.c: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Perhaps this was something else that crept in with your masterful editing of the header lines that also resulted in the knackered threading and their total number exceeding those in any of Owain's posts? ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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In article , owain47125
@stirlingcity.coo.uk says... Mark wrote: Nobody else complains, and Thunderbird/Clara is usually a fairly reliable combination. NTL and Outlook Express on the other hand ... NTL yes, but Outhouse Distress ! Take another look. Oh Sorry, I thought I looked before and you were. He was according to his headers: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 |
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Owain wrote:
Mark wrote: Nobody else complains, and Thunderbird/Clara is usually a fairly reliable combination. NTL and Outlook Express on the other hand ... NTL yes, but Outhouse Distress ! Take another look. Oh Sorry, I thought I looked before and you were. Owain Sorry Owain in fact i owe you an apology. Looking at your posts again with a laptop and standard news client Agent/Gravity your headers appear intact and normal. the problem /bug is obviously my end, and despite what my headers may indicate i use neither Windows nor OE. Hangs head and gets coat - |
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