One room in my house has been occupied for the last ten years by a very
heavy smoker, so I'm redecorating it.

The walls are coming up fine with a hard scrubbing and a repaint, but
I'm not sure what to do about the woodwork, which was painted ten years
ago with white gloss.

It's all in very good condition -- no flaking, very few dents and chips
etc -- and in other conditions, I would be happy to just sand it with
wet-and-dry, touch up the chipped bits, and then paint one undercoat
before re-glossing.

However, the normal sanding doesn't entirely remove the yellow stain. I
don't think I need worry about it showing through the paint, but I do
worry about it not providing enough adhesion.

Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

Thanks!

In article .com,
"The Pet Human" says...
One room in my house has been occupied for the last ten years by a very
heavy smoker, so I'm redecorating it.

The walls are coming up fine with a hard scrubbing and a repaint, but
I'm not sure what to do about the woodwork, which was painted ten years
ago with white gloss.

It's all in very good condition -- no flaking, very few dents and chips
etc -- and in other conditions, I would be happy to just sand it with
wet-and-dry, touch up the chipped bits, and then paint one undercoat
before re-glossing.

However, the normal sanding doesn't entirely remove the yellow stain. I
don't think I need worry about it showing through the paint, but I do
worry about it not providing enough adhesion.

Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

Doesn't sugar soap shift it?

Sugar soap

In article .com,
The Pet Human wrote:
One room in my house has been occupied for the last ten years by a very
heavy smoker, so I'm redecorating it.

The walls are coming up fine with a hard scrubbing and a repaint, but
I'm not sure what to do about the woodwork, which was painted ten years
ago with white gloss.

It's all in very good condition -- no flaking, very few dents and chips
etc -- and in other conditions, I would be happy to just sand it with
wet-and-dry, touch up the chipped bits, and then paint one undercoat
before re-glossing.

However, the normal sanding doesn't entirely remove the yellow stain. I
don't think I need worry about it showing through the paint, but I do
worry about it not providing enough adhesion.

Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

White gloss paint goes yellow of its own accord even without a smoker,
while white emulsion doesn't - or at least not to the same extent.

Wash the gloss with a sugar soap solution to remove grease etc, then sand
to provide a key. If the end result is sound with no bare wood showing,
one coat of undercoat and two of gloss should do it. If rubbing down
reveals bare wood, use wood primer first on those areas.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"The Pet Human" wrote in message
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One room in my house has been occupied for the last ten years by a very
heavy smoker, so I'm redecorating it.

The walls are coming up fine with a hard scrubbing and a repaint, but
I'm not sure what to do about the woodwork, which was painted ten years
ago with white gloss.

It's all in very good condition -- no flaking, very few dents and chips
etc -- and in other conditions, I would be happy to just sand it with
wet-and-dry, touch up the chipped bits, and then paint one undercoat
before re-glossing.

However, the normal sanding doesn't entirely remove the yellow stain. I
don't think I need worry about it showing through the paint, but I do
worry about it not providing enough adhesion.

Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

Just makes you realise what the inside of smokers' lungs must be like
doesn't it? Anyone watch 'Your life in their hands' the other night and see
the black lungs of that smoker they opened up? Baffles me how anyone can
deliberately do this to their own body. They clearly need psychiatric help.

Kev

Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

Doesn't sugar soap shift it?

No, I'm afraid it doesn't.

There _was_ a yellow film on the surface, but I have already washed
that off.

This is the paint itself yellowed.

In message .com, The
Pet Human writes
Can anyone tell me whether I need to sand off all the yellowed stuff?

Doesn't sugar soap shift it?

No, I'm afraid it doesn't.

There _was_ a yellow film on the surface, but I have already washed
that off.

This is the paint itself yellowed.

I'd not worry about it then., just prepare as normal. Don't forget that
white paint yellows a bit anyway with exposure to light.

We had a house that had been owned by a heavy smoker, I don't remember
having any problem with the paintwork on the woodwork..
--
Chris French

Uno Hoo! wrote:
[snip]

Just makes you realise what the inside of smokers' lungs must be like
doesn't it? Anyone watch 'Your life in their hands' the other night
and see the black lungs of that smoker they opened up? Baffles me how
anyone can deliberately do this to their own body. They clearly need
psychiatric help.

Kev

No more than a Alcoholic, shammy leather(liver) springs to mind.

"ben" wrote in message
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Uno Hoo! wrote:
[snip]

Just makes you realise what the inside of smokers' lungs must be like
doesn't it? Anyone watch 'Your life in their hands' the other night
and see the black lungs of that smoker they opened up? Baffles me how
anyone can deliberately do this to their own body. They clearly need
psychiatric help.

Kev

No more than a Alcoholic, shammy leather(liver) springs to mind.

Indeed - but you can drink moderately without harming your health. Breathing
toxic fumes into lungs designed to run on fresh air can only be harmful to
health - as anyone with half a brain would realise.

Kev

In article ,
Uno Hoo! wrote:
Indeed - but you can drink moderately without harming your health.
Breathing toxic fumes into lungs designed to run on fresh air can only
be harmful to health - as anyone with half a brain would realise.

Then you're in favour of banning cars, etc? ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:06:43 +0100, "Uno Hoo!"
wrote:

Baffles me how anyone can deliberately do this to their own body.

As a chest surgeon once said to me, "If it was their ears that went this
colour, no-one would smoke"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Uno Hoo! wrote:
Indeed - but you can drink moderately without harming your health.
Breathing toxic fumes into lungs designed to run on fresh air can only
be harmful to health - as anyone with half a brain would realise.

Then you're in favour of banning cars, etc? ;-)

Clearly there are other sources of air-borne pollutants than tobacco - but
tobacco appears to be the only one that some people deliberately, and in
concentration, breathe deeply into their lungs.
It always makes me smile when you see a group of people in the local paper
protesting against the harmful effects that a new mobile phone mast is going
to cause their children. Half of them will have fags in their hands and I'll
bet the majority of them smoke in the same room as their children.
My son in law's father is in hospital at the moment having had a bad heart
attack. He is 67 years old and only retired two years ago. They have wired
him up to a temporary pace-maker but it's the only thing keeping his heart
going - the moment they turn it off, his heart stops. He has been a heavy
smoker all his adult life and the doctors have told my daughter that his
problems are directly and purely caused by this. It's beyond my
comprehension that in today's day and age, when everyone knows the harmful
effects of smoking, that people continue with the filthy habit. Life is
sweet and precious - why risk it for the sake of tobacco?

Kev

"Uno Hoo!" wrote:

Indeed - but you can drink moderately without harming your health. Breathing
toxic fumes into lungs designed to run on fresh air can only be harmful to
health - as anyone with half a brain would realise.

half a brain? I wonder if Dribble has a view on this?


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I'd not worry about it then., just prepare as normal. Don't forget
that white paint yellows a bit anyway with exposure to light.

Many thanks to Chris, Dave and Huge for their help -- that gives me
confidence to go ahead and repaint without wearing my fingers to the
bone sanding!

Pity, though, that others decided not to answer my question, but to use
the the thread to declaim about the evils smoking. I had noticed!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:31:13 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:06:43 +0100, "Uno Hoo!"
wrote:

Baffles me how anyone can deliberately do this to their own body.

As a chest surgeon once said to me, "If it was their ears that went this
colour, no-one would smoke"

In the mid '60s I worked over the school holidays for an electrician
who had a contract with Tetley's to service the extractor fans in
their pubs. Usually the ducting over the bar was a simple plywood
affair about 6"x6". We were called out to one pub where the airflow
had more or less stopped and replaced the pre-war fan but there was
not much improvement. Further investigation revealed that all four
faces inside the ducting were adorned with black sooty/tarry
stalactites/mites about 2'' long, grown as a result of about 40 years
of clearing smokers breath from the bar.

I was 15 at the time and that experience, including the smell of 40
year old stale tobacco breath was enough to ensure I never started
smoking.

DG

On 13 Aug 2005 10:21:25 GMT, (Huge) wrote:


Wrong way round, at least for gloss. It yellows through *lack* of exposure
to light.

And no, I didn't entirely believe it until we moved our Welsh dresser the other
day and saw the colour of the skirting board behind it.

It could be that your Welsh dresser has been outgassing something
(Natural Turpentine?, Wood Preserver?) that has collected round the
back and not been able to readily escape because of close proximity to
the wall.

DG

Derek ^ wrote:
On 13 Aug 2005 10:21:25 GMT, (Huge) wrote:


Wrong way round, at least for gloss. It yellows through *lack* of exposure
to light.

And no, I didn't entirely believe it until we moved our Welsh dresser the other
day and saw the colour of the skirting board behind it.


It could be that your Welsh dresser has been outgassing something
(Natural Turpentine?, Wood Preserver?) that has collected round the
back and not been able to readily escape because of close proximity to
the wall.


Welsh dressers are clearly a menace to society

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:28:18 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:



Welsh dressers are clearly a menace to society


It's them tall hats... :-)

DG

"The Pet Human" wrote in message
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I'd not worry about it then., just prepare as normal. Don't forget
that white paint yellows a bit anyway with exposure to light.

Many thanks to Chris, Dave and Huge for their help -- that gives me
confidence to go ahead and repaint without wearing my fingers to the
bone sanding!

Pity, though, that others decided not to answer my question, but to use
the the thread to declaim about the evils smoking. I had noticed!

That's the problem with usenet - people get side-tracked and begin
interesting conversations;-)

Kev