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Combi question.
I have to replace my old boiler so and going for a combi i live in a 2
bed bungalow and have an electric shower. After searching the net I have come up with two options. Any thoughts for or against each one. Biasi Rive compact HE £468.83 inc vat, flue and timer or Ideal Isar 24 HE £688.64 inc vat and flue I plan to run my dishwaser and washing machine just of the cold supply so they need not enter the equation and a rough calc of BTU requirements for rads is 26000. I do plan to hopefully loft convert at some point so that would mean possible 3-4 more rads and another basin. Thanks for you help Paul |
"Paul" wrote in message ... I have to replace my old boiler so and going for a combi i live in a 2 bed bungalow and have an electric shower. After searching the net I have come up with two options. Any thoughts for or against each one. Biasi Rive compact HE £468.83 inc vat, flue and timer Give this a miss. The condensing boiler has a secondary heat exchanger. Bad news. or Ideal Isar 24 HE £688.64 inc vat and flue Much better. 2 yr guarantee, one piece heat exchanger, pre-mix downwards firing burner. I plan to run my dishwaser and washing machine just of the cold supply so they need not enter the equation and a rough calc of BTU requirements for rads is 26000. I do plan to hopefully loft convert at some point so that would mean possible 3-4 more rads and another basin. The boiler is big enough to heat your house, with more capacity to spare, unless it is "very" big. Combi's are high rated burners for the DHW side, so lots of oomph for CH. It will not fill the bath quickly at all. It will give very good showers. If you don't mind slow bath fills or shower most of the time, then it is fine. If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 |
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If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 How quickly on bath filling is not very quickly? I can afford the glow worm 30CXI or the Ideal HE30 which would you pick? The glow worm has a stainless steel heat exchanger is this better? I have just had to replace the control pack on my old CH system will i be able to use that on my combi to save buying another? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) Paul |
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
Combi's are high rated burners for the DHW side, so lots of oomph for CH. It will not fill the bath quickly at all. It will give very good showers. If you don't mind slow bath fills or shower most of the time, then it is fine. Has someone put something in his tea? -- |
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:03:47 +0100, Paul wrote:
Snip If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 How quickly on bath filling is not very quickly? I can afford the glow worm 30CXI or the Ideal HE30 which would you pick? The glow worm has a stainless steel heat exchanger is this better? I have just had to replace the control pack on my old CH system will i be able to use that on my combi to save buying another? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) Paul I would suggest checking on the track record of Dr Drivel/IMM before forming an opinion. The Glow Worm (highest power of these) manages 15 litres/minute for a temperature increase of 35 degrees. Assuming that the water supply can deliver this rate (you should check that), then in the winter, when the cold water temperature is around 5-8 degrees, it means that in effect this will be the *total* rate supplied to a bath or shower at 40 or so degrees. In the context of a bath, which requires 150 litres to be at all reasonable, it would take around 10 minutes to fill. You may be OK with that, or you may not. You could use your existing controller with any of these boilers although some have one built in. A stainless steel heat exchanger is a good idea. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Paul" wrote in message ... Snip If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 How quickly on bath filling is not very quickly? 8 to 10 minutes, depending on bath size and temperature of in the incoming cold mains water. A very large bath will be irritating to fill. A modern 100 litres bath is not that bad. Less in summer when the mains temperature is higher. With combi's many people find it is best to fill the bath 1/3 full and then get in while still filling, as the Japanese do. But many people can't figure out this simple procedure. Some use a hair washing shower attachment while sitting in the bath, and this also fills as you go along. Go for the high flowrates and you will not be that disappointed. There are combi's with higher flowrates than the best in the list, but they cost more. I can afford the glow worm 30CXI or the Ideal HE30 which would you pick? The glow worm has a stainless steel heat exchanger is this better? Glow Worm. It is basically a Vaillant, and made in Holland. The Dutch invented condensing boilers, and 90% plus of boilers are condensers. I have just had to replace the control pack on my old CH system will i be able to use that on my combi to save buying another? Control pack? Do you mean programmer? Timeclock? What make have you installed? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) This is the Internet, so the loonies can have a say alongside all the bright ones. Sadly, the unaware may not know the difference. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:03:47 +0100, Paul wrote: Snip If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 How quickly on bath filling is not very quickly? I can afford the glow worm 30CXI or the Ideal HE30 which would you pick? The glow worm has a stainless steel heat exchanger is this better? I have just had to replace the control pack on my old CH system will i be able to use that on my combi to save buying another? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) Paul I would suggest checking on the track record of Dr Drivel/IMM before forming an opinion. Not another know-it-all Internet amateur. The Glow Worm (highest power of these) manages 15 litres/minute for a temperature increase of 35 degrees. Assuming that the water supply can deliver this rate (you should check that), then in the winter, when the cold water temperature is around 5-8 degrees, it means that in effect this will be the *total* rate supplied to a bath or shower at 40 or so degrees. In the context of a bath, which requires 150 litres to be at all reasonable, 100 litres is the modern standard, as the baths are shaped for the human body. it would take around 10 minutes to fill. You may be OK with that, or you may not. See my other post. You could use your existing controller with any of these boilers although some have one built in. A stainless steel heat exchanger is a good idea. |
"Matt" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Combi's are high rated burners for the DHW side, so lots of oomph for CH. It will not fill the bath quickly at all. It will give very good showers. If you don't mind slow bath fills or shower most of the time, then it is fine. Has someone snip Internet lunacy |
Paul wrote:
I have to replace my old boiler What did she do :) |
Richard Conway wrote:
Paul wrote: I have to replace my old boiler What did she do :) sadly the top where the flue joins is patched and on it last legs :( Paul |
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Control pack? Do you mean programmer? Timeclock? What make have you installed? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) This is the Internet, so the loonies can have a say alongside all the bright ones. Sadly, the unaware may not know the difference. It is a Danfoss Control Pack from www.screwfix.com/ 66341-38 I guess I can utalise the programme, room stat and wiring box. Paul |
"Paul" wrote in message ... snip Control pack? Do you mean programmer? Timeclock? What make have you installed? Cheers for you help someone who makes sense( there seems to be a shortage) This is the Internet, so the loonies can have a say alongside all the bright ones. Sadly, the unaware may not know the difference. It is a Danfoss Control Pack from www.screwfix.com/ 66341-38 I guess I can utalise the programme, room stat and wiring box. Paul I would say nothing salvagable from that setup. It can be used but not worth it for what it offers and the hassle. Go for: Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start £54.05 Including VAT http://tinyurl.com/9qwal The CM67 requires only a two core cable. Childs play to fit. This is the stat and programmer all in one with about 6 different temperature times during the day - you set temperatures. It optimum starts. That is, you tell it the start time in the morning and it figures out the time to take to warm up the boiler. If a warm morning it will hold off the boiler until the start time. Well worth it, and saves money on gas. |
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I would say nothing salvagable from that setup. It can be used but not worth it for what it offers and the hassle. Go for: Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start £54.05 Including VAT http://tinyurl.com/9qwal The CM67 requires only a two core cable. Childs play to fit. This is the stat and programmer all in one with about 6 different temperature times during the day - you set temperatures. It optimum starts. That is, you tell it the start time in the morning and it figures out the time to take to warm up the boiler. If a warm morning it will hold off the boiler until the start time. Well worth it, and saves money on gas. Looks good ashfordheating.com do it for £47 Paul |
Combi's are high rated burners for the DHW side,
so lots of oomph for CH. It will not fill the bath quickly at all. It will give very good showers. If you don't mind slow bath fills or shower most of the time, then it is fine. Has someone put something in his tea? I think someone has stolen his account. Christian. |
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:10:00 +0100, Paul wrote:
I have to replace my old boiler so and going for a combi i live in a 2 bed bungalow and have an electric shower. After searching the net I have come up with two options. Any thoughts for or against each one. Biasi Rive compact HE £468.83 inc vat, flue and timer FWIW, the Biasi has a stainless steel heat exchanger with copper waterways. sponix |
"Paul" wrote in message ... snip I would say nothing salvagable from that setup. It can be used but not worth it for what it offers and the hassle. Go for: Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start £54.05 Including VAT http://tinyurl.com/9qwal The CM67 requires only a two core cable. Childs play to fit. This is the stat and programmer all in one with about 6 different temperature times during the day - you set temperatures. It optimum starts. That is, you tell it the start time in the morning and it figures out the time to take to warm up the boiler. If a warm morning it will hold off the boiler until the start time. Well worth it, and saves money on gas. Looks good ashfordheating.com do it for £47 Go for it. But the optimiser model that I gave the number for. |
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... Combi's are high rated burners for the DHW side, so lots of oomph for CH. It will not fill the bath quickly at all. It will give very good showers. If you don't mind slow bath fills or shower most of the time, then it is fine. Has someone put something in his tea? I think someone has stolen his account. My tea account? |
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:07:41 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: Give this a miss. The condensing boiler has a secondary heat exchanger. Bad news. Why? |
"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:10:00 +0100, Paul wrote: I have to replace my old boiler so and going for a combi i live in a 2 bed bungalow and have an electric shower. After searching the net I have come up with two options. Any thoughts for or against each one. Biasi Rive compact HE £468.83 inc vat, flue and timer FWIW, the Biasi has a stainless steel heat exchanger with copper waterways. ...and secondary one too, so not worth a light. |
Give this a miss. The condensing boiler has a secondary heat exchanger.
Bad news. Why? Secondary exchanger designs are rehashed non-condensing boilers. As a non-condensing boiler doesn't produce streams of corrosive acid, they were often designed with a heat exchanger directly above a upward firing burner. However, by bolting an additional exchanger on, the boiler starts to condense (you'd hope so!). This acidic condensate then goes downwards (gravity) and lands on the burner, which corrodes. Meanwhile, the existing heat exchanger also gets covered in acid, which is was never designed to cope with. Christian. |
"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:07:41 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Give this a miss. The condensing boiler has a secondary heat exchanger. Bad news. Why? If I recall this was explained to you: "s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message ... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm still looking for a CH condensing combi boiler and am looking for recommendations. I'm thinking of possibly buying a Biasi from B&Q because of the cracking deals on them at the moment and some people recommend them highly. However, I'm also considering going for something more expensive. I'd therefore like some suggestions on what to "shortlist". What is a good reliable brand nowadays? Why should I choose expensive brand X over a cheap Biasi? I'm after feedback from people that actually own the boiler in question. I'm not after "I heard of someone who had an XYZ and it was crap" or "It's cheap so it must be crap" type stuff. I'm after first hand experiences. sponix DON'T get any condensing boiler with a secondary heat exchanger. There are now tons of these around as the makers have converted their old ranges using most of the old parts. It is a Heat Robinson affair. The BIASI has a secondary heat exchanger. Get a one piece heat exchanger, side or downward firing burner. The Ideal Icos and Glow Worm Condensers are good and well priced. I would go for the Glow Worm. Well priced and good. If you buy cheapo will may regret it "s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message ... Been doing a trawl for a replacement combi boiler... B&Q have some very good deals on Biasi boilers (Presumably due to the exchange rate) And volume sales They appear to be well made, very compact and have some versatile flueing options. If condensing and they have a secondary condensing heat exchanger don't bother. Avoid ANY boiler with a secondary heat exchanger. Many makers have just sipped them in to comply with the 1st Aril condensing regs. Buy boilers with a top mounted burners and a one piece heat exchanger. Avoid anything made by Ravenheat. BIASI are better. The non-condensing combi is a well priced budget boiler. They use a lot of pretty well standard parts, so simple enough. Why don't you get a very high flowrate multi-point instant water heater and a small condensing system boiler for the heating. Two simple systems. No tanks or cylinders and wizzo hot water on-demand flowrates. Rinnai, the Japanese maker who are the world's largest maker of gas appliances, are now importing into the UK. There products are "excellent". 38 litres/min? They have it. They regulate the hot water output to +- 1 degree F. You can have a remote control temperature control, one is waterproof for the shower, so you have the temperature say 37C for the shower and them zap it up to 55C for the kitchen sink. The Rinnia can also be fitted "outside" on an outside wall, if you have location and fluing problems. Rinnia is probably the largest selling instant water heater in the world. This is a highly cost effective route. |
I would suggest checking on the track record
of Dr Drivel/IMM before forming an opinion. So would I, and you will find sound advise. Doctor Evil/Doctor Drivel/IMM, any of those, all the same poster, and clearly very experienced. I buy and renovate houses, and he is the only one worth reading on heating and water systems. I have used his advice to great effect in the past, and Google a lot on his posts. His detractors are not worth taking seriously at all. Just take no notice of them. In a current thread, he gave a landlord excellent options, while the other contributors merely stupidly slagged and mainly took up space. It takes a while to realise which people to take notice of. Andy Wade, who has been missing of late, is good for electrics, and various others on building work. |
Paul wrote:
Snip If you want fast bath fill then you will require a high flowrate combi, which are more expensive. Try these for cheap combi's. They are the cheapest. Give them a ring: http://www.uselessenergy.org.uk/boilers_prices.asp Go for in this order: - Glow-Worm 38CXI @ £719.19 - Worcester Greenstar 35HE Plus @ £832.30 - Isar 35HE @ £685.00 How quickly on bath filling is not very quickly? I can afford the glow worm 30CXI or the Ideal HE30 which would you pick? The glow worm has a stainless steel heat exchanger is this better? I fitted an Isar HE35 (a combination of requirements lead to its choice - a primary one being it was small enough to fit the space it needed to go in, and the WB was too big!). From a hot water performance perspective it is just about adequate, but I am glad I did not fit a smaller one. If you hardly ever use the bath however you may find the 30kW ones acceptable. BTW Beware of Drivel's claims of a "average" bath being 100 litres. He has been challenged many times on this claim, and yet has never been able to substantiate it. Most baths will be a fair bit more than this (unless you like a 3" deep puddle). So using a figure of 150 litres may be a safer assumption. I have just had to replace the control pack on my old CH system will i be able to use that on my combi to save buying another? You should certainly be able to use the stat and the programmer. There will be no need for the rest unless you are also planning to keep the hot water cylinder (which you could drive from the heating side of a combi if you wanted). If you want more flexibility and better temperature control of the heating through the day, then a programmable stat may be a better choice. Screwfix do a range of Horstman ones that are quite good and well priced. http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=58352 -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... If you want more flexibility and better temperature control of the heating through the day, then a programmable stat may be a better choice. Screwfix do a range of Horstman ones that are quite good and well priced. http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=58352 Not worth going for when the CM67 is available for just under £50. The has no optimisation and very large and ugly looking. The cheap end of the market. The CM67 is world away from such stuff. Another example of poor advice. |
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Not worth going for when the CM67 is available for just under £50. The has no optimisation and very large and ugly looking. The cheap end of the Optimisation in a small property with relatively low total heating demand is of dubtfull value - especially when coupled to a combi that is significantly overspecified from a heating load perspective. Note also that the 50 quid version is typically the version *without* the optimum start capability. As to "large an ugly looking", they are actually very similar in size, and one could argue the Centaurstat has nice clean lines without all the wavy lines of the Honeywell. However each to his own. market. The CM67 is world away from such stuff. It will do the job more than well enough at one third of the price. A win win situation! BTW, check TLC for programmable stats - they have a good range. Another example of poor advice. So stop offering it then. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: Not worth going for when the CM67 is available for just under £50. That has no optimisation and very large and ugly looking. The cheap end of the Optimisation in a small property with relatively low total heating demand is of dubtfull value An optimised unit will pay for itself in a matter of a few years. - especially when coupled to a combi that is significantly overspecified from a heating load perspective. Irrelevant point. As to "large an ugly looking", they are actually very similar in size, The Hostman is ugly an bulky compare to the CM67. I would not like it on my wall. market. The CM67 is world away from such stuff. It will do the job Just. The CM67 is a world away from it. Comparing a Lada to a Rolls Royce. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 5 Aug 2005 09:08:32 -0700, wrote: I would suggest checking on the track record of Dr Drivel/IMM before forming an opinion. So would I, and you will find sound advise. Doctor Evil/Doctor Drivel/IMM, any of those, all the same poster, and clearly very experienced. Are you sure? - Typically proposes use of one or two combis regardless of the requirement Total cack and without taking regard to whether the water supply is adequate or the gas supply used beyond spec. More cack. - Comes up with overly complicated solutions Simple solutions, which invariably contain one box solutions. No tanks in lofts and cylinders, when superior solutions are availabl;e. You obviously would know a good one from a bad one. which apparently defy the laws of physics Oh my God!! He has been at the O level books again. using thermal stores which add complexity and reduce reliability while providing no real benefit to the user. This half wit doesn't understand simple thermal stores. The best solution. - Tries to alter the OP's requirement You don't even comprehend the requirements in the first instance. - Advocates use of multipoint water heaters in an unapproved mode cite please. - Has a new "best product" each month Your madness is showing through. - Advocates ridiculous levels of insulation and hermetic sealing to houses while completely missing the larger issues. It is clear you don't understand the issue in the first place. - Claims to be professionally qualified but is evasive when asked about it. Professionally qualified and experienced. I will not divulge personal details to Internet loonies like yourself. - Is unable/unwilling to read manufacturer instructions on products and then blames the product when problems happen. Another confused DIYer. It would be advisable to establish credentials and seek professional opinions ...... He did. Mine. Isn't it amazing how the Little Middle Englander mind works. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 5 Aug 2005 09:08:32 -0700, wrote: I would suggest checking on the track record of Dr Drivel/IMM before forming an opinion. So would I, and you will find sound advise. Doctor Evil/Doctor Drivel/IMM, any of those, all the same poster, and clearly very experienced. Are you sure? - Typically proposes use of one or two combis regardless of the requirement Total cack and without taking regard to whether the water supply is adequate or the gas supply used beyond spec. More cack. - Comes up with overly complicated solutions Simple solutions, which invariably contain one box solutions. No tanks in lofts and cylinders, when superior solutions are availabl;e. You obviously would know a good one from a bad one. which apparently defy the laws of physics Oh my God!! He has been at the O level books again. using thermal stores which add complexity and reduce reliability while providing no real benefit to the user. This half wit doesn't understand simple thermal stores. The best solution. - Tries to alter the OP's requirement You don't even comprehend the requirements in the first instance. - Advocates use of multipoint water heaters in an unapproved mode cite please. - Has a new "best product" each month Your madness is showing through. - Advocates ridiculous levels of insulation and hermetic sealing to houses while completely missing the larger issues. It is clear you don't understand the issue in the first place. - Claims to be professionally qualified but is evasive when asked about it. Professionally qualified and experienced. I will not divulge personal details to Internet loonies like yourself. - Is unable/unwilling to read manufacturer instructions on products and then blames the product when problems happen. Another confused DIYer. It would be advisable to establish credentials and seek professional opinions ...... He did. Mine. Isn't it amazing how the Little Middle Englander mind works. I couldn't have put it better myself. Who am I to compete with a poet? |
In article , Andy Hall
writes Are you sure? You do realise you're talking to one of Drivel's sockpuppets? |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes Appears he is not. This is fun. Now wait for this.... Messrs Hall, Plowman, Sirett and Raden etc, have the advantage of being expert experienced practitioners Of what? Maxie recons pcbs No, he runs a successful business which turns over 1.3 million what do you do ? He also has an honours degree in physics What qualifications do you have? Do I need to go on ? and Sirret is limited in his experience mainly just fitting Vailllant combi's. Before starting gas work, IIRC, Ed ran a company maintaining properties The other two are professional in nothing. You do talk total ******** I'll let you into a little secret, they have a clue, you don't Of course, as you don't have any real answer, you'll just type your traditional "snip drivel" -- geoff |
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message ... In article , Andy Hall writes Are you sure? You do realise you're talking to one of Drivel's sockpuppets? My God!!! They are all here tonight. The whole clinic. Another systems admin man. Lord Hall is your soulmate that is clear. Such fun! |
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Plowman? He works in sound studio looking after the cables. And you work in a plumbers' merchant. You are there to look after the dog. The dog is there to make sure you don't try to give advice to the customers. This is why you have a permanent chip on your shoulder. The dog has bigger ******** than you. The dog can lick his own ********. The dog won't let you lick his ********. It's getting late, so why don't you refill the paper towel dispenser in the Gents and then you can curl up in bed with "Janet and John Build A Wendy House". Owain |
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message ... In article , Andy Hall writes Are you sure? You do realise you're talking to one of Drivel's sockpuppets? What alias are you doing this week? You are so easy. |
"raden" wrote in message
... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes Appears he is not. This is fun. Now wait for this.... Messrs Hall, Plowman, Sirett and Raden etc, have the advantage of being expert experienced practitioners Of what? Maxie recons pcbs No, he runs a successful business which turns over 1.3 million Yes, reconning pcbs and making loads of money on beaches up trees in frocks. what do you do ? He also has an honours degree in physics Yep. Sort of. What qualifications do you have? Honours degree. Do I need to go on ? No, Maxie. and Sirret is limited in his experience mainly just fitting Vailllant combi's. Before starting gas work, IIRC, Ed ran a company maintaining properties Landlord cowboy work? The other two are professional in nothing. You do talk total ******** Maxie??? I'll let you into a little secret, they have a clue, you don't Clue about what Maxie? is this a game? A quiz? Of course, as you don't have any real answer, you'll just type your traditional "snip drivel" Maxie, you know I know all the answers. |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes Appears he is not. This is fun. Now wait for this.... Messrs Hall, Plowman, Sirett and Raden etc, have the advantage of being expert experienced practitioners Of what? Maxie recons pcbs No, he runs a successful business which turns over 1.3 million That was 1/3 million BTW Yes, reconning pcbs and making loads of money on beaches up trees in frocks. You're a loony And you didn't answer the question what do you do ? He also has an honours degree in physics Yep. Sort of. No, not sort of , a BSc (hons) from a proper university What qualifications do you have? Honours degree. In what, and from where ? Do I need to go on ? No, Maxie. and Sirret is limited in his experience mainly just fitting Vailllant combi's. Before starting gas work, IIRC, Ed ran a company maintaining properties Landlord cowboy work? I don't see how you draw that conclusion The other two are professional in nothing. You do talk total ******** Maxie??? As I said I'll let you into a little secret, they have a clue, you don't Clue about what Maxie? is this a game? A quiz? A clue about anything - more than you have Of course, as you don't have any real answer, you'll just type your traditional "snip drivel" Maxie, you know I know all the answers. I bet you failed your 11 plus didn't you - all you could manage was to put your name on the paper ... and then spelt it incorrectly That's where that chip on your shoulder comes from, isn't it -- geoff |
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , Andy Hall writes Are you sure? You do realise you're talking to one of Drivel's sockpuppets? There is a nice post from old timey back in 2000 where he nearly creams himself when he hears about Adam's (as he was pretending to be at the time) two combi solution... Looks like a dedicated disciple indeed... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes Appears he is not. This is fun. Now wait for this.... Messrs Hall, Plowman, Sirett and Raden etc, have the advantage of being expert experienced practitioners Of what? Maxie recons pcbs No, he runs a successful business which turns over 1.3 million That was 1/3 million BTW Maxie, that was a lot less. Yes, reconning pcbs and making loads of money on beaches up trees in frocks. You're a loony Maxie, I am not the one up a tree in a frock. And you didn't answer the question what do you do ? He also has an honours degree in physics Yep. Sort of. No, not sort of , a BSc (hons) from a proper university What qualifications do you have? Honours degree. In what, and from where ? Maxie, I can't reveal such details to lunatics on the Internet. I am a very secret person. Do I need to go on ? No, Maxie. and Sirret is limited in his experience mainly just fitting Vailllant combi's. Before starting gas work, IIRC, Ed ran a company maintaining properties Landlord cowboy work? I don't see how you draw that conclusion Most landlords take the cheapest route. The other two are professional in nothing. You do talk total ******** Maxie??? As I said And you have to be sensible now. I'll let you into a little secret, they have a clue, you don't Clue about what Maxie? is this a game? A quiz? A clue about anything - more than you have Maxie! This is a game. Of course, as you don't have any real answer, you'll just type your traditional "snip drivel" Maxie, you know I know all the answers. I bet you failed your 11 plus didn't you - all you could manage was to put your name on the paper ... and then spelt it incorrectly Maxie, you are odd. It is clear I am the greatest poet the world has ever seen. That's where that chip on your shoulder comes from, isn't it Maxie!! You are odd. I may break out in verse soon. |
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