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Condensing boilers- inside info
A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was
installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. -- __________________________________________________ _______________ Peter Scott Scanned using Norton Antivirus 2004 before being sent __________________________________________________ _______________ |
"Peter Scott" wrote in
: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. Have you checked the price of Calor against that of oil? (On a 'per KWh' basis.) Last time I did so, oil suddenly sounded quite cheap. In fact, it got surprisingly close to electricity sounding affordable. And just why should a condensing boiler be so much less reliable than a non-condensing one? From what I have heard, if it has the name Poxi- Batterton that might be sufficient reason. -- Rod |
"Peter Scott" wrote in message ... A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. He is right and he is wrong. The best condensers have: - top mounted pre-mix burners, - one piece heat exchangers, - bottom mounted flues from exchanger. The better makes have these: Glow Worm condensers, W-B Greenstar, Ideal Istar/Icos, Keston. These are dedicated condensing boilers, designed from scratch only to be condensing boilers. To get their existing models in line for the April 1st deadline many makers added on a secondary heat exchanger in addition to the existing non-condensing heat exchanger, and still normal bottom mounted rail burners. This converts them to condensers. AVOID these converstions like the plague. For e.g., Ideal have converted many of their models to condensers, yet have the superior dedicated ICOS and ISTAR range, which cost about £80-100 more. That difference is buttons. Dedicated condensers are NOT less reliable than others. They are the same as non-condensers except they have condensate drain connections and larger heat exchangers, that's all. The controls are identical in most cases. When the burner is top mounted they don't require cleaning, the condensate washes down the inside. Your friend needs to know what models of boilers to fit. LPG is not cheaper than oil from what I understand, although LPG boilers are much cheaper than gas to but=y and fit, so capital savings go a long way to pay for any extra LPG cost. Oil condensers are just not worth it as the fuel saving is small to gas condensers, and the price hype is "large". |
In message , Rod
writes "Peter Scott" wrote in : His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. And just why should a condensing boiler be so much less reliable than a non-condensing one? From what I have heard, if it has the name Poxi- Batterton that might be sufficient reason. Suggestion I've heard is that some manufacturers have brought some boilers to market with not enough experience of them or of rushed designs which have been lacking in some respects. However there are companies such as Worcester, Vallaint etc. who do make reliable condensing boilers -- Chris French |
Peter Scott wrote:
A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models with good reliability. The older designs (i.e. lash ups based on existing conventional boiler designs) were dying out. Now of course all the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:01:43 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! I'll send the van. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models with good reliability. The older designs (i.e. lash ups based on existing conventional boiler designs) were dying out. Now of course all the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:01:43 +0100, John Rumm wrote: Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! I'll send the van. Oh Good. Free boilers. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models with good reliability. The older designs (i.e. lash ups based on existing conventional boiler designs) were dying out. Now of course all the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:43:18 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:01:43 +0100, John Rumm wrote: Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! I'll send the van. Oh Good. Free boilers. I guess that that'll be your next ploy. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models with good reliability. The older designs (i.e. lash ups based on existing conventional boiler designs) were dying out. Now of course all the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. Naturally this would only apply to brands that are worth buying. I wasn't talking about the tat that's left on the shelves in your branch because you believed the rep and over-ordered. Will he allow stock rotation or are you going to have to sell it out? Watch out folks. August's hare brained scheme will justify a way to use what DimmPlumb has in the warehouse. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:46:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:43:18 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:01:43 +0100, John Rumm wrote: Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! I'll send the van. Oh Good. Free boilers. I guess that that'll be your next ploy. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models with good reliability. The older designs (i.e. lash ups based on existing conventional boiler designs) were dying out. Now of course all the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. Naturally this would only apply to brands that are worth buying. What a stupid comment. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:46:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. |
His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing
boilers have poor reliability. Not really inside info. A large proportion of CORGI installers are disciples of Mr Ludd, who bought some tat by Messrs Poxi and Batterton ten years ago and think that all condensing boilers are crap, when they're not. I can't recall in this newsgroup, which is full of boiler complaints, many problems with Worcester Bosch Greenstars (excluding the CDi secondary converter) or Vaillants Ecomaxes. Christian. |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:43:22 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models w This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. Naturally this would only apply to brands that are worth buying. What a stupid comment. If a manufacturer has been consistently producing a good quality range of condensing products of several generations over many years then it is worth buying from them. If they are modifying crappy old designs, then it is not worth buying from them. Pretty straightforward. Try to focus on the products and their quality and not what you heard from your plumber customers this week or from the rep. Happy customers are more important than that trip to Eyebyeza you know. Two reels of PTFE tape please. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:45:01 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:46:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Peter Scott wrote: A CORGI-registered installer, who is also a trusted acquaintance, was installing a bottled gas supply for my cooker. I got chatting about changing my oil-fired boiler to Calor as it is getting old and oil does not seem likely to come down in price soon or ever. He said 'don't'. His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. He thinks that the rushed and ill- conceived rules resulted in poorly tested boilers. Apparently before long all new oil boilers are also going to have to be condensers and he thinks that problems could happen with them as well. He advised me to install a new oil boiler before the new regs, if I thought I might go down that route. He has given up boiler installations for the time being, until the equipment improves. One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. You can make many accusations, but it's a stretch, even for you to accuse me of advocating poor quality anything. Two gold plated combis please. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message . net... His experience, and that of people he knows, is the new condensing boilers have poor reliability. Not really inside info. A large proportion of CORGI installers are disciples of Mr Ludd, who bought some tat by Messrs Poxi and Batterton ten years ago and think that all condensing boilers are crap, when they're not. I can't recall in this newsgroup, which is full of boiler complaints, many problems with Worcester Bosch Greenstars (excluding the CDi secondary converter) or Vaillants Ecomaxes. Christian. Thanks for all the comments. Seems like my mate needs to do a bit of research as he's only partly correct. Thanks for the information about good brands. I'll certainly pass these on. Looks like its time to do some more research into relative fuel costs. Peter Scott |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:43:22 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models w This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. Naturally this would only apply to brands that are worth buying. What a stupid comment. If a manufacturer has been consistently producing a good quality range of condensing products of several generations over many years then it is worth buying from them. If they are modifying crappy old designs, then it is not worth buying from them. Pretty straightforward. Try to focus on the products and their quality and not what you heard from your plumber customers this week or from the rep. Happy customers are more important than that trip to Eyebyeza you know. Two reels of PTFE tape please. Do you know what PTFE is used for? |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. "Life in the fast lane Surely make you lose your mind" Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I'm sure even you could find that yourself I think it might be buried somewhere. Hope so ... -- geoff |
In message , Andy Hall
writes Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. You can make many accusations, but it's a stretch, even for you to accuse me of advocating poor quality anything. Two gold plated combis please. And a saveloy to go -- geoff |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:52:22 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: Do you know what PTFE is used for? Sure. However, I guess you know it by the catalogue number in the till... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:52:22 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Do you know what PTFE is used for? Sure. Stop making things up. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. You can make many accusations, but it's a stretch, even for you to accuse me of advocating poor quality anything. Two gold plated combis please. And a saveloy to go Maxie, it is nice to see you are alive and kicking. Have you been kick starting your motorbike for fun lately? |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes One of those rare occasions I would agree with Drivel! You have to all the time, as I know infinitely more than you in most things, and of life too. "Life in the fast lane Surely make you lose your mind" Maxie, that was very good. Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I'm sure even you could find that yourself I think it might be buried somewhere. Hope so ... Maxie! You want people to buy naff stuff so you can fix it? |
In message , Doctor Drivel
writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:43:22 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: the makers will be rushing to "fix" their existing model ranges to be compliant - causing a step back to dodgy technology in many cases. The change in the law will to an extent reinforce the old wives tale about poor reliability. We had got to the stage where many of the condensers available were properly designed 2nd/3rd generation models w This was done a few years back when the 78% requirement happened. Some achieved this by making the pilot electronic. It is fairly easy to work out which manufacturers have bodged though. Most seem to have properly engineered products now... Do they? Have a closer look. Naturally this would only apply to brands that are worth buying. What a stupid comment. If a manufacturer has been consistently producing a good quality range of condensing products of several generations over many years then it is worth buying from them. If they are modifying crappy old designs, then it is not worth buying from them. Pretty straightforward. Try to focus on the products and their quality and not what you heard from your plumber customers this week or from the rep. Happy customers are more important than that trip to Eyebyeza you know. Two reels of PTFE tape please. Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? -- geoff |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. You can make many accusations, but it's a stretch, even for you to accuse me of advocating poor quality anything. Two gold plated combis please. And a saveloy to go Maxie, it is nice to see you are alive and kicking. Have you been kick starting your motorbike for fun lately? No you dozy ****tard, I've been at home recovering from a knee operation haven't I No wonder you work in a plumbers merchant -- geoff |
raden wrote:
In message , Doctor Drivel writes Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well it would stop him talking out of it. -- |
Matt wrote:
Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well it would stop him talking out of it. Doubt it... he has a second one just under his nose. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Matt wrote:
Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well it would stop him talking out of it. Doubt it... he has a second one just under his nose. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Matt wrote:
Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well it would stop him talking out of it. Doubt it... he has a second one just under his nose. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Matt wrote:
Well it would stop him talking out of it. Doubt it... he has a second one just under his nose. - -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes Just follow my guide on boilers. BTW, is what I suggested in the FAQ? I think it might be buried somewhere. It should be........ Figures, as you advocate poor quality equipment. You can make many accusations, but it's a stretch, even for you to accuse me of advocating poor quality anything. Two gold plated combis please. And a saveloy to go Maxie, it is nice to see you are alive and kicking. Have you been kick starting your motorbike for fun lately? No you dozy ****tard, I've been at home recovering from a knee operation haven't I Maxie, all that fun type kick starting ruined your knee. I hope the kick start gets better. |
"Matt" wrote in message ... raden wrote: In message , Doctor Drivel writes Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well Madness comes in many forms. I destroys lives and families. Fortunately we have the NHS, so please use it. Please. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:03:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Matt" wrote in message .. . raden wrote: In message , Doctor Drivel writes Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well Madness comes in many forms. I destroys lives and families. Do you? How do you manage that? Fortunately we have the NHS, so please use it. Please. That's much more tricky. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:03:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Matt" wrote in message .. . raden wrote: In message , Doctor Drivel writes Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well Madness comes in many forms. I destroys lives and families. Do you? How do you manage that? You never know. Fortunately we have the NHS, so please use it. Please. That's much more tricky. Please use the NHS, you need to. You need to. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:50:52 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:03:43 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Matt" wrote in message .. . raden wrote: In message , Doctor Drivel writes Do you know what PTFE is used for? Reduces friction when you TIUTA ? Well Madness comes in many forms. I destroys lives and families. Do you? How do you manage that? You never know. Fortunately we have the NHS, so please use it. Please. That's much more tricky. Please use the NHS, you need to. You need to. I don't have the time. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I destroys lives and families. Don't flatter yourself. Or are you auditioning for the movie "Dr Drivel - Shock And Awe On The Tango Floor" Owain |
"Owain" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: I destroys lives and families. Or are you auditioning for the movie "Dr Drivel - Shock And Awe On The Tango Floor" I am producing, directing and star of the motion picture itself. Big gala pemier splash at Leicester Square, with all celebs, me being chief celeb, in Prius' rolling on to red carpets. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:00:06 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Owain" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: I destroys lives and families. Or are you auditioning for the movie "Dr Drivel - Shock And Awe On The Tango Floor" I am producing, directing and star of the motion picture itself. Big gala pemier splash at Leicester Square, with all celebs, me being chief celeb, in Prius' rolling on to red carpets. Don't you mean everybody else rolling on the carpets having a good laugh? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "Owain" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: I destroys lives and families. Or are you auditioning for the movie "Dr Drivel - Shock And Awe On The Tango Floor" I am producing, directing and star of the motion picture itself. Big gala pemier splash at Leicester Square, with all celebs, me being chief celeb, in Prius' rolling on to red carpets. Sorry, Peter Pan's been done already -- geoff |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "Owain" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: I destroys lives and families. Or are you auditioning for the movie "Dr Drivel - Shock And Awe On The Tango Floor" I am producing, directing and star of the motion picture itself. Big gala pemier splash at Leicester Square, with all celebs, me being chief celeb, in Prius' rolling on to red carpets. Sorry, Peter Pan's been done already Maxie! Is Peter Pan a money earner? Does it need a sequel? |
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