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As an aside to this (off topic for everyone but interesting), is that
when the shots were fired, a motorcycle outrider had his radio left
switched on by accident. This was recorded at the police station. The
quality is very poor and has not improved with age but it is at
present being scanned with all the latest in microscope technology. If
there were other shots, they should show up on this enhanced
recording. Results are due later this year.



they keep looking for new evidence when the old evidence is good
enough.



not to mention the "lone gunman" and "acted alone" are not the same
thing.

Vince

yes, but neither is true.

Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of people were
involved. And a man would have to lean out of a window using a cheap
Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds off in a matter seconds and "two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.



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As an aside to this (off topic for everyone but interesting), is that
when the shots were fired, a motorcycle outrider had his radio left
switched on by accident. This was recorded at the police station. The
quality is very poor and has not improved with age but it is at
present being scanned with all the latest in microscope technology.
If
there were other shots, they should show up on this enhanced
recording. Results are due later this year.



they keep looking for new evidence when the old evidence is good
enough.



not to mention the "lone gunman" and "acted alone" are not the same
thing.

Vince

yes, but neither is true.

Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of people were
involved. And a man would have to lean out of a window using a cheap
Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds off in a matter seconds and
"two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.




Has it been proven that Oswald was a master DIY'er to give this a tenuous
reason to be on here?


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As an aside to this (off topic for everyone but interesting), is
that
when the shots were fired, a motorcycle outrider had his radio left
switched on by accident. This was recorded at the police station.
The
quality is very poor and has not improved with age but it is at
present being scanned with all the latest in microscope technology.
If
there were other shots, they should show up on this enhanced
recording. Results are due later this year.



they keep looking for new evidence when the old evidence is good
enough.



not to mention the "lone gunman" and "acted alone" are not the same
thing.

Vince

yes, but neither is true.

Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of people were
involved. And a man would have to lean out of a window using a cheap
Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds off in a matter seconds and
"two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.

Has it been proven that Oswald was a
master DIY'er to give this a tenuous
reason to be on here?

Yes. He made the best gun in the world from a mail order cheapo bolt action
piece of scrap.



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Yes. He made the best gun in the world from a mail order cheapo bolt
action
piece of scrap.



There's no evidence to suggest that the gun...


6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle
Serial number C2766
Western Cartridge 160 grain (10.37 g) ammunition
Side-mounted Ordnance Optics 4 x 18 scope

was ever modified.

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Yes. He made the best gun in the world
from a mail order cheapo bolt
action piece of scrap.

There's no evidence to suggest that the gun...


6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle
Serial number C2766
Western Cartridge 160 grain (10.37 g) ammunition
Side-mounted Ordnance Optics 4 x 18 scope

was ever modified.

He must have modified it and made it into a super weapon, as no one else has
managed to have two hits hanging out of a window with such crap. Or was
their more than one, and Oswald's bullets never hit?



















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Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of
people were involved. And a man would have to lean out of a
window using a cheap Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds
off in a matter seconds and "two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.

Has it been proven that Oswald was a master DIY'er to give this a
tenuous reason to be on here?

I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....

I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....
I was a great conspiracy theorist until I read the Norman Mailer book. The
FBI and much of the US establishment made Oswald out to be wierdo loser.
Mailer's analysis suggests he was a man of rare determination and
persistence.

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I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....

I was a great conspiracy theorist until I read the Norman Mailer book. The
FBI and much of the US establishment made Oswald out to be wierdo loser.
Mailer's analysis suggests he was a man of rare determination and
persistence.

Does that mean he let off 3 round with a sub standard bolt action rifle
hanging out of a windows and had two hits? His army record proved he was an
average shot in an ideal target gallery situation with a better rifle. He
must have improved a hell of a lot then. Directly after the shots the
crowd, and policemen, were running around the grassy knoll as that is where
they heard some shots come from.

Maxie, what were you doing in 1963?


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"Newshound" wrote in message
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I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....

I was a great conspiracy theorist until I read the Norman Mailer book. The
FBI and much of the US establishment made Oswald out to be wierdo loser.
Mailer's analysis suggests he was a man of rare determination and
persistence.

Does that mean he let off 3 round with a sub standard bolt action rifle
hanging out of a windows and had two hits? His army record proved he was an
average shot in an ideal target gallery situation with a better rifle. He
must have improved a hell of a lot then. Directly after the shots the
crowd, and policemen, were running around the grassy knoll as that is where
they heard some shots come from.

Maxie, what were you doing in 1963?

Rogering your mother, probably

--
geoff

Doctor Evil wrote:

More stuff he knows little about.

I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....

He probably would though. It's a technique that is called 'lying'.

Does that mean he let off 3 round with a sub standard bolt action rifle

Pre-WW2 many armies trained on 1000 yard ranges and the average
squaddie was expected to score hits at that range, using the standard
iron sights. Oswald's rifle had a telescopic sight. Post-WW2 rifle
accuracy was generally sacrificed in the interests of rate-of-fire.
Many old bolt action rifles are accurate; they have long barrels. I
don't know how knackered Oswald's army-surplus one was.

hanging out of a windows and had two hits?

No, from inside the building, in the shadows and with the weapon on a
rest built from boxes of books.

I understood (and I can't be bothered to check) that he'd trained as a
sniper whilst in the USMC. A mediocre shot could achieve hits at the
ranges involved. I think it was below 200 metres and again I would
check if I had any interest in this topic; I haven't.

The man on the floor below heard the action being operated and the
spent cartridges falling on the floor above his head. A BBC programme
had a 3D computer model which showed the 'magic bullet theory' was
simple ballistic fact. As to the rate of fire, the ballistics
consultant demonstrated that 3 aimed shots could be easily discharged
in the time achieved by the gunman/gunmen/Oswald.

around the grassy knoll as that is where they heard some shots come from.

Where they thought they'd heard the shots coming from. It's difficult
to locate the source of high-velocity gunfire in a built-up area. There
are 2 separate sounds (crack from projectile, followed by thud from
firing position) and they both echo off buildings.

There's no great doubt as to what happened. The conspiracy theory has
been greatly embroidered to be re-sold to the credulous. JFK DVD
anyone? And can I also interest you in a magnetic water conditioner?

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snip Directly after the shots the
crowd, and policemen, were running around the grassy knoll as that
is where
they heard some shots come from.


They were running in all directions, as the various films of the
events show. Also, seeing that the knoll is a large mound of earth,
it's perfect cover from *incoming* fire, it would not surprise me at
all if some took cover behind it...

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Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of
people were involved. And a man would have to lean out of a
window using a cheap Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds
off in a matter seconds and "two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and a few marksmen
have tried.

Has it been proven that Oswald was a master DIY'er to give this a
tenuous reason to be on here?

I understand that he consistently denied doing it himself....

That he did. He also said he was set up too. He was involved, but I think
he was used too, and never knew who the other gunmen were. Conveniently he
was shot while all these Redneck policemen standing around allowed a loony
to shoot him. It all stinks to high heaven.













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snip

Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of people
were
involved. And a man would have to lean out of a window using a
cheap
Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds off in a matter seconds
and "two"
hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.


I suggest you find out what Oswald did whilst in the USA army, as for
someone since copying what Oswald was meant to have done - someone who
holds the same training as Oswald got whilst in the USA army has done
it and with the same rifle.

Quite WTF this has got to do with DIY though!

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:58:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.

Indeed.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

This is incredible!

Aided with some of the best minds in DIY we are finally going to unravel, 42
years later, the mystery behind who shot John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

If it's any help, Oswald was a "patsy", wasn't a lone gun man and the mafia
(assisted by the secret service) were involved due to the Kennedy clampdown
against the mob and their organised crime activities in Cuba.

The Warren Comission were probably too **** scared to delve too deep what
with the most powerful man in the country being so publically slayed.

Anyway, now where's that Lord Lucan, Loch Ness monster and who actually was
Jack The Ripper?