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Scaremongering (NICEIC)
I suppose I should have expected it. Look what I've just read on the
NICEIC website: quote Face up to new electrical safety law or face fines Homeowners warned to SWITCH ON to new building regulations The NICEIC is urging homeowners who plan to tackle home improvement projects to be aware of tough new changes to building regulations, which if not complied with, could land you with a massive £5,000 fine and a property you can't sell. The new building regulation Part P, effective since 1st January 2005, requires most electrical work in the home to be carried out by a government-approved electrician, such as one registered with the NICEIC. Its aim is to stop the rising number of deaths from faulty electrics, much of which is undertaken by over ambitious DIY enthusiasts and cowboy electricians. Under the new law, homeowners are still able to replace accessories such as light switches and sockets to an existing circuit, although there are exceptions for locations such as kitchens and bathrooms. An electrician registered under a government-approved scheme must undertake all other work. The alternative, for DIY'ers, is to notify a local building control body before starting any work and pay the appropriate fee for an inspection and a certificate after work is completed. "This law will make homes safer and is long overdue", says Jim Speirs director general of electrical safety body, the NICEIC. "Homeowners will now be protected from dangerous electrics as a competent electrician will provide them with a certificate once they've completed the work. If you don't get a certificate or do the work yourself without getting it checked, you will not only be sitting on a potential electrical time bomb, but committing a criminal offence too. Your local authority can order the removal or correction of any work and fine you up to £5,000." Failure to comply could also make it difficult to sell your house in the future. The NICEIC advises that electrical installation certificates are likely to be included in the government's proposed home sellers' packs. These are designed to offer prospective buyers reassurance and peace of mind about the safety of homes being offered for sale. Amazingly, electricians have never been regulated despite faulty electrics causing an average of 12,500 house fires, 750 serious injuries and 10 deaths each year. The NICEIC welcomes the government's decision to finally clamp down on the cowboys who cause these deaths and is advising homeowners to make sure they only employ government-approved electricians /quote No need to restart the arguments, we can all Google. I just needed to pass this on having had one of those "grrr..." moments. Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... The Eternal Triangle is usually right tangled. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:09:48 +0100, Martin Angove
babbled like a waterfall and said: No need to restart the arguments, we can all Google. I just needed to pass this on having had one of those "grrr..." moments. Hwyl! M. They can still get stuffed! |
Ok, I was going to leave it at that, not mentioning other "news
releases" on the same or similar subject... until I noticed the following: http://www.niceic.org.uk/partp/newsitemjan052.html (the one I quoted) Says: Amazingly, electricians have never been regulated despite faulty electrics causing an average of 12,500 house fires, 750 serious injuries and 10 deaths each year. But http://www.niceic.org.uk/press/prnov044.html says: Amazingly, electricians have never been regulated despite faulty electrics causing an average of 19 deaths and 2,000 injuries every year. And http://www.niceic.org.uk/press/prdec043.html says: Amazingly, electricians have never been regulated despite faulty electrics causing an average of 2336 house fires, 750 serious injuries and 10 deaths each year. and http://www.niceic.org.uk/press/prsept0704.html says: Despite the fact that faulty electrics result in 19 deaths and over 2,000 non-fatal electric shock accidents each year, and http://www.niceic.org.uk/press/prdec03.html says: According to Government statistics, fixed electrical installations in homes in England and Wales cause around 5 fatalities and over 500 non-fatal injuries every year. And 12,500 fires in homes across the country are reported as having an electrical source of ignition causing about 25 deaths and 590 nonfatal injuries each year. and http://www.niceic.org.uk/consumers/moving.html says: According to Government figures, around 10% of domestic fires are electrical, and of these, a third are directly due to old or bad wiring. This equates to over 2,000 electric shock accidents and 9,300 electrical fires in homes every year. and I'm sure if I looked further I'd see more. So what is it then? 5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? 2336, 9300 or 12500 house fires? 750, 1090 or 2000 injuries? Or is it just that these people make the figures up on the spot to try to prove a point? Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... After we pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is NOT our friend! |
EricP wrote:
They can still get stuffed! That's a lot more politely expressed than the deeply encrypted (can you say ROT-13?) .sig on every posting from one of the two 'moderators' at the highly-trafficked forum of this month's Winner Of Friends and Influencer Of People. Hope that's the positioning he's after for his company... |
Hi Martin
5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? 2336, 9300 or 12500 house fires? 750, 1090 or 2000 injuries? Or to put it another way; Up to 0.00005% of the UK population die each year Up to 0.063% of UK housing stock catches fire Up to 0.0034% of the UK population are injured. No wonder we need legislation - its a national scandal. Dave |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:50:26 GMT, David Lang wrote:
5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? No wonder we need legislation - its a national scandal. Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. Several thousand people are killed on the roads each year (think about it 3650 is 10 a *day*...) and several tens of thousands suffer serious injury. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
"David Lang" wrote in message o.uk... Hi Martin 5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? 2336, 9300 or 12500 house fires? 750, 1090 or 2000 injuries? Or to put it another way; Up to 0.00005% of the UK population die each year Up to 0.063% of UK housing stock catches fire Up to 0.0034% of the UK population are injured. No wonder we need legislation - its a national scandal. Dave How many people die of MRSA every year? If it's more than 10 ( or 19 ) then I suggest they spend the money on cleaners, and do something useful and popular for a change. Fat chance.... Andy. |
andrewpreece wrote:
How many people die of MRSA every year? If it's more than 10 ( or 19 ) 5000 on secondary infections acquired in hospital (of which MRSA is one of the more common). That is the government figure however, so any guess as to what the real one is. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Martin Angove wrote:
The NICEIC is urging homeowners who plan to tackle home improvement projects to be aware of tough new changes to building regulations, which if not complied with, could land you with a massive £5,000 fine and a property you can't sell. I shall wait with interest to see if there are any documented cases of that actually happening. I suspect I'm in for a long wait ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply |
In article ,
Martin Angove wrote: If you don't get a certificate or do the work yourself without getting it checked, you will not only be sitting on a potential electrical time bomb, but committing a criminal offence too. So they provide a say 10 year warranty on their member's work? -- *Even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn now and again * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:30 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Then think of the added "convenience", when they have to be tied into our compulsory ID cards. |
Andy Dingley wrote:
Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Then think of the added "convenience", when they have to be tied into our compulsory ID cards. And all those speeding tickets they could automatically generate... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
In message ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Martin Angove wrote: If you don't get a certificate or do the work yourself without getting it checked, you will not only be sitting on a potential electrical time bomb, but committing a criminal offence too. So they provide a say 10 year warranty on their member's work? The legal requirement is 2 years. And you can't buy insurance for that as yet, not even from the NICEIC. Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... CtrlAltDel to read the next message |
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:25:26 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: And all those speeding tickets they could automatically generate... Why stop at speeding ? Parking too. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:37:57 +0100, Martin Angove wrote:
http://www.niceic.org.uk/consumers/moving.html says: According to Government figures, around 10% of domestic fires are electrical, and of these, a third are directly due to old or bad wiring. This equates to over 2,000 electric shock accidents and 9,300 electrical fires in homes every year. So if a third of 10% of house fires is 9,300, that would mean 279,000 house fires in total each year. According to http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_fire/documents/downloadable/odpm_fire_028259.pdf in 2002 there were 65,000 dwelling fires overall. 2,773 caused by electrical distribution. So the 1/3 of 10% is in the right ballpark, but not the numbers. |
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.com... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:50:26 GMT, David Lang wrote: 5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? No wonder we need legislation - its a national scandal. Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. But apparently only if you're over 24 if that judge gets his way. |
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:50:26 GMT, David Lang wrote: 5, 10, 19 or 30 deaths a year? No wonder we need legislation - its a national scandal. Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. Several thousand people are killed on the roads each year (think about it 3650 is 10 a *day*...) and several tens of thousands suffer serious injury. Probably "electricians" in their white vans are the main culprits. Oh, I forgot, they are mainly sat outside elec wholesalers drinking tea/smoking when they've "gone to get parts". |
In article ,
Martin Angove writes: In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Martin Angove wrote: If you don't get a certificate or do the work yourself without getting it checked, you will not only be sitting on a potential electrical time bomb, but committing a criminal offence too. So they provide a say 10 year warranty on their member's work? The legal requirement is 2 years. There's no legal requirement at all. And you can't buy insurance for that as yet, not even from the NICEIC. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:30 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Then think of the added "convenience", when they have to be tied into our compulsory ID cards. But don't both ideas contravene our human rights of privacy? Dave |
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote: But don't both ideas contravene our human rights of privacy? You some kind of Terrorist ? |
In article , Andy Dingley
wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:25:26 +0100, John Rumm wrote: And all those speeding tickets they could automatically generate... Why stop at speeding ? Parking too. That isn't the major concern for me. Bear in mind that in true socialist fashion, your movements will be tracked and recorded at all times. Now you see the true reasoning behind the crackpot idea. -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
In article , Andy Dingley
wrote: But don't both ideas contravene our human rights of privacy? You some kind of Terrorist ? I think that many may become so if A Darling gets his way. -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
That isn't the major concern for me. Bear in mind that in true socialist fashion, your movements will be tracked and recorded at all times. Now you see the true reasoning behind the crackpot idea. The only saving grace is that they will expect high tech IT solutions to do all the work for them ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
In article , John Rumm
wrote: The only saving grace is that they will expect high tech IT solutions to do all the work for them ;-) Can anyone say "NHS"? John can. :-) -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote: Andy Dingley wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:30 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Yet we still allow people to be in control of a tonne or more of metal doing many tens of miles per hour. Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Then think of the added "convenience", when they have to be tied into our compulsory ID cards. But don't both ideas contravene our human rights of privacy? Our current government cares little for human rights. Look at the the so called "anti-terrorism" laws, ASBOs etc. ID Cards and sattelite tracking of motor vehicles is the next step towards a Police State. Rich. |
Andy Dingley wrote:
Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Silver foil on the antennae/reciever. Won't be difficult to lose a GPS signal, or swamp the tiddlywatt signal with a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency. Can't see what all the paranoia is about, it will never take off or be policeable, and evasive techniques will be so simple. -- http://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL! http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://gymratz.co.uk/hot-seat.htm - Live web-cam! (sometimes) |
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote: Not for much longer -- I hope we've all written to our MPs in protest at the idea of satellite tracking all cars in the UK. Silver foil on the antennae/reciever. Won't be difficult to lose a GPS signal, or swamp the tiddlywatt signal with a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency. Can't see what all the paranoia is about, it will never take off or be policeable, and evasive techniques will be so simple. I doubt they will but we might get lucky and Crapita will do the "implementation" :-) Unless you only keep to back roads in the middle of nowhere, when you loose the GPS signal and pass a big brother monitoring point your vehicle will be identified either by the number plates or by something like RFID. Maybe you will be able to pass one or two monitoring points with the GPS out of service and get away with it but do it regularly you have got to expect a visit from Mr Big to probe your black box. GPS signals are also by design remarkably immune to "a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency" -- |
"Martin Evans" wrote in message ... Unless you only keep to back roads in the middle of nowhere, when you loose the GPS signal and pass a big brother monitoring point your vehicle will be identified either by the number plates or by something like RFID. Maybe you will be able to pass one or two monitoring points with the GPS out of service and get away with it but do it regularly you have got to expect a visit from Mr Big to probe your black box. Even without a GPS signal the car will still record how many miles you've done so they'll just charge you at peak rate. I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. GPS signals are also by design remarkably immune to "a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency" Yeah - takes a nuclear warhead to block them properly ;-) But there's a far better use for that ............ |
"Mike" wrote in message ... "Martin Evans" wrote in message ... Unless you only keep to back roads in the middle of nowhere, when you loose the GPS signal and pass a big brother monitoring point your vehicle will be identified either by the number plates or by something like RFID. Maybe you will be able to pass one or two monitoring points with the GPS out of service and get away with it but do it regularly you have got to expect a visit from Mr Big to probe your black box. Even without a GPS signal the car will still record how many miles you've done so they'll just charge you at peak rate. I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. GPS signals are also by design remarkably immune to "a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency" Yeah - takes a nuclear warhead to block them properly ;-) But there's a far better use for that ............ Oi! I would be within the firestorm radius of one over East Hull |
Mike wrote:
I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. Which its "after market" software will confirm quite happily ;-) (even if it only ever records 15 miles a week of motoring) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:34:45 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. Which its "after market" software will confirm quite happily ;-) (even if it only ever records 15 miles a week of motoring) And 0.5mpg... Which raises the other "problem" with road pricing, there is little incentive to go for a more economic vehicle (as in mpg) if a majority of the driving you do is on "cheap" roads. A "cheap" road would be one less than about 8p/mile which is roughly the current duty element of fuel costs. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
Dave Liquorice wrote:
And 0.5mpg... Which raises the other "problem" with road pricing, there is little incentive to go for a more economic vehicle (as in mpg) if a majority of the driving you do is on "cheap" roads. A "cheap" road would be one less than about 8p/mile which is roughly the current duty element of fuel costs. Watching a report on "This Week" last night, it seems they are already shifting the goalposts a bit. They were then talking about charging per mile where the price paid per mile for the same stretch of road would vary depending on your type of vehicle as well as they time of day and type of road. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Martin Evans wrote:
snip GPS signals are also by design remarkably immune to "a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency" Oh, no they aren't. I've designed (though not actually got around to building) a GPS reciever. Some actual numbers. Each satellite broadcasts some 50W of signal. The coding makes this effectively some 1MW (taking the highest end of possible interpretations.) But. This has to cover an entire hemisphere. Call a hemisphere 6*(6*10^6 ^2)m = 2*10^13m^2. So, this is 2*10^7m^2 per watt. Or some 4Km. So, a 1W noise signal will completely blank out about a 2Km radius. However, I estimated that it would cost about a tenner extra to make a meaconer, that broadcast fake GPS signals, to increase the jamming area for 1W by the 20000 'gain factor' that's gotten by the GPS coding, or about a range of 100Km. And that's only a watt. A balloon and a 5-10W transmitter can nuke GPS over several hundred Km. |
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.com... On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:34:45 +0100, John Rumm wrote: I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. Which its "after market" software will confirm quite happily ;-) (even if it only ever records 15 miles a week of motoring) And 0.5mpg... Which raises the other "problem" with road pricing, there is little incentive to go for a more economic vehicle (as in mpg) if a majority of the driving you do is on "cheap" roads. Agreed. Wife gets a discount for her small car and saves on petrol as well whereas with this new scheme I'll possibly be paying less than her as I use country roads more. I would have thought some 'base rate' with a multiplier for small cars, medium cars, large cars, vans, 4WDs and HGVs would be better. |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. Which its "after market" software will confirm quite happily ;-) (even if it only ever records 15 miles a week of motoring) Not sure how you're going to forceably load this software onto a secure processor but good luck !!! Bare in mind if you succeed the whole credit card "chip on card" market goes down the pan as well :-) |
"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... A balloon and a 5-10W transmitter can nuke GPS over several hundred Km. If this is true, and I don't dispute it may be, why aren't you in business selling such kit to the military market ? I can suggest sources of private startup finance it you need it as I don't imagine the DTI will want to :-) |
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:37:37 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:34:45 +0100, John Rumm wrote: I would also expect petrol pumps will have to be modified to interogate your box as well and only serve petrol if it's working properly. Which its "after market" software will confirm quite happily ;-) (even if it only ever records 15 miles a week of motoring) And 0.5mpg... Which raises the other "problem" with road pricing, there is little incentive to go for a more economic vehicle (as in mpg) if a majority of the driving you do is on "cheap" roads. A "cheap" road would be one less than about 8p/mile which is roughly the current duty element of fuel costs. I was trying to do some guesstimations of the p/mile that would have to prevail to get approx parity. Take a typical vehicle which does 10k miles per annum. This will perhaps get through £1500 of fuel most of which is tax. So say £1500 of tax including the tax disc. That means the average would be 15p/mile. So the general price would have to be very much toward the low end of the ranges that were quoted in the media. However have really cheap fuel would put us so far out of odds with the rest of Europe I can't see that happening. So all they could is scrap the Car's Poll Tax (sorry Vehicle Excise Duty) and perhaps reduce fuel duty a bit. In which case the roads would almost all have to be under 5p/mile to get any sort of parity. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
Mike wrote:
"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... A balloon and a 5-10W transmitter can nuke GPS over several hundred Km. If this is true, and I don't dispute it may be, why aren't you in business selling such kit to the military market ? I can suggest sources of private startup finance it you need it as I don't imagine the DTI will want to :-) Because it's generally not interesting to first, or even second line armies. Firstly, jamming military GPS is a bit harder, as it's spread over a wider frequency, and the code is secret. This means you lose about a factor of 1000, or maybe 30 fold distance, as you can't pretend to be a satellite, you have to just use random noise to jam. Second, all the nice toys (GPS guided bombs, cruise missiles, ICBMs, aircraft, don't rely only on GPS, they have their own internal inertial positioning systems, that may not be quite as good as GPS, but will generally not drift far at all in the 30 min or so between entering jamming range, and bad stuff arriving on target. (30 min = 1200Km at Mach 2). GPS is really, really useful where you've got a 12 hour flight out to the target, before releasing weapons, to remove the accumulated errors and mean that your inertial platform is calibrated before you get to enemy territory. The only real case it would be useful in wars would be few. Consider that the US military (and allies if they beg hard enough) can get GPS turned off at source for a given area. GPS isn't much needed if you know the country, which means that turning it off is of limited use in civil wars. Currently the only uses I can think of would be for a 3rd world government who is having problems with insurgents using commercial GPS to guide weaponry. (If iraq had deployed large numbers of commercial GPS jammers before desert storm 1, it may have slowed things down a bit - but not so much now, as military recievers are (AIUI) much more available.) |
Ian Stirling wrote:
Martin Evans wrote: snip GPS signals are also by design remarkably immune to "a few watts of spurious emissions on the right frequency" Oh, no they aren't. I've designed (though not actually got around to building) a GPS reciever. Some actual numbers. Each satellite broadcasts some 50W of signal. The coding makes this effectively some 1MW (taking the highest end of possible interpretations.) But. This has to cover an entire hemisphere. Call a hemisphere 6*(6*10^6 ^2)m = 2*10^13m^2. So, this is 2*10^7m^2 per watt. Or some 4Km. So, a 1W noise signal will completely blank out about a 2Km radius. However, I estimated that it would cost about a tenner extra to make a meaconer, that broadcast fake GPS signals, to increase the jamming area for 1W by the 20000 'gain factor' that's gotten by the GPS coding, or about a range of 100Km. And that's only a watt. A balloon and a 5-10W transmitter can nuke GPS over several hundred Km. OK I'll bite. On what frequency do you envisage the broadcast of a blocking signal would be effective? What are the spectral components of that signal? * For the goons who may (make that will) be listening. Please note that nothing in this post is an indication of an intent or otherwise to interfere with GPS systems operated by the US DoD -- |
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