Hi Guys

I've been reading through past comments about others doing a DIY task
of installing a boiler.

I've recently bought my first house and believe the baxi(?) free
standing boiler is dead (it has a long shiny tube going out of the
house through the flat roof - Townhouse), I got a quote and they are
around =A33,000 (npower). Unfortunately I cannot afford these kind of
prices! Yesterday I popped into B&G and saw a combi boiler for =A3500
which seemed quite tempting, I looked at the back and there is a single
gas tube and a couple of water tubes so it looks easy to fit.... (he
says...)

Anyway, I wondered if it is illegal to install a boiler or what the
implications are? No one seems to want to know to help me! Or can
anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price? I live in Milton
Keynes

Thanks
Daz

On 25 May 2005 05:25:43 -0700, wrote:

Hi Guys

I've been reading through past comments about others doing a DIY task
of installing a boiler.

I've recently bought my first house and believe the baxi(?) free
standing boiler is dead (it has a long shiny tube going out of the
house through the flat roof - Townhouse), I got a quote and they are
around =A33,000 (npower). Unfortunately I cannot afford these kind of
prices! Yesterday I popped into B&G and saw a combi boiler for =A3500
which seemed quite tempting, I looked at the back and there is a single
gas tube and a couple of water tubes so it looks easy to fit.... (he
says...)

Anyway, I wondered if it is illegal to install a boiler or what the
implications are? No one seems to want to know to help me! Or can
anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price? I live in Milton
Keynes

It's not illegal so long as you get a corgi registered plumber to do
the final connection to the gas main and check the system over.

Anyway, I wondered if it is illegal to install a boiler or what
the implications are? No one seems to want to know to help me!
Or can anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price?

It's a case of if you need to ask, then you can't do it! However, a little
ringing around might find you a CORGI willing to do it for a hourly rate.

Christian.

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

It's not illegal so long as you get a corgi registered plumber to do
the final connection to the gas main and check the system over.

I was under the impression that's not the case.
Corgi just convinced everyone it is the "law"

Can you point me to the web page that specifically states only a "Corgi"
registered plumber is legally allowed to do it?

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:02:17 GMT, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk"
wrote:

I was under the impression that's not the case.
Corgi just convinced everyone it is the "law"

Can you point me to the web page that specifically states only a "Corgi"
registered plumber is legally allowed to do it?

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

You must be Corgi registered if you carry out any gas work on all but
your own system.

sponix

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:02:17 GMT, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk"
wrote:

I was under the impression that's not the case.
Corgi just convinced everyone it is the "law"

Can you point me to the web page
that specifically states only a "Corgi"
registered plumber is legally allowed to do it?

There is none, as that is not the case.

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

Competence could mean you have experience and intelligence. Read the info,
found out the regs and procedures and undertook them in a professional and
responsible manner.

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

You must be Corgi registered if you carry out any gas work on all but
your own system.

Not so. You can do any gas work as long as you are competent and don't
receive payment. So, you can do your friends.

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On 25 May 2005 05:25:43 -0700, wrote:

Hi Guys

I've been reading through past comments about others doing a DIY task
of installing a boiler.

I've recently bought my first house and believe the baxi(?) free
standing boiler is dead (it has a long shiny tube going out of the
house through the flat roof - Townhouse), I got a quote and they are
around £3,000 (npower). Unfortunately I cannot afford these kind of
prices! Yesterday I popped into B&G and saw a combi boiler for £500
which seemed quite tempting, I looked at the back and there is a single
gas tube and a couple of water tubes so it looks easy to fit.... (he
says...)

Anyway, I wondered if it is illegal to install a boiler or what the
implications are? No one seems to want to know to help me! Or can
anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price? I live in Milton
Keynes

Thanks
Daz
No its not illegal as long as you are competent. Also you will need to
notify CORGI that you are doing a boiler change in your house!.
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Also you will need to notify CORGI that you are doing a boiler
change in your house!.

Why would you possibly need to notify CORGI?

Christian.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:46:56 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

Competence could mean you have experience and intelligence. Read the info,
found out the regs and procedures and undertook them in a professional and
responsible manner.

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

In practice though, it does.

Imagine you install a boiler in your house, it explodes, kills someone
and you end up in court.

How do you prove your competence, in the abscence of any
qualification?

The answer is you can't!

sponix

On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:46:56 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

From the dictionary:

"Properly or sufficiently qualified; capable. Capable of performing an
allotted or required function. Legally qualified or fit to perform an
act. Able to distinguish right from wrong and to manage one's
affairs."

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

Imagine you install a boiler in your house, it explodes, kills someone
and you end up in court.

How do you prove your competence, in the abscence of any
qualification?

The answer is you can't!

But not because of the lack of qualification. It is because you really were
incompetent. A competent person would have installed it properly so it
didn't explode.

Christian.

wrote:

I've been reading through past comments about others doing a DIY task
of installing a boiler.

Start by reading this:

http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html

No one seems to want to know to help me! Or can
anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price? I live in Milton
Keynes

Quick, get this man an Estate Agent! ;-)

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Able to distinguish right from wrong and to manage one's
affairs."

Rules out most politicians and members of the royal family then!


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Christian McArdle wrote:
Also you will need to notify CORGI that you are doing a boiler
change in your house!.


Why would you possibly need to notify CORGI?

SO they can invoice you for a certifacate of notification £100 to their
maffia monopoly $$$ ker-ching $$$

I am guessing.


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Why would you possibly need to notify CORGI?

SO they can invoice you for a certifacate of notification £100 to their
maffia monopoly $$$ ker-ching $$$

But they are not permitted to do so. The monopoly in certifying DIY
notifiable tasks is with the local building control department. CORGI's
monopoly is in not being required to do so.

Christian.

In article ,
(s--p--o--n--i--x) writes:
On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:02:17 GMT, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk"
wrote:

I was under the impression that's not the case.
Corgi just convinced everyone it is the "law"

Can you point me to the web page that specifically states only a "Corgi"
registered plumber is legally allowed to do it?

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

Sorry, that doesn't wash. If it did, someone who was qualified
could never do an incompetent installation, which is clearly
not the case. Competence is easily shown by appropriate questioning
and inspection of work. Furthermore, a qualification does not bypass
any need to demonstate competence in a court in such a circumstance,
so the qualification is irrelevant as far as a court of law is
concerned.

You must be Corgi registered if you carry out any gas work on all but
your own system.

Also inaccurate enough to be wrong.

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s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

How do you prove your competence, in the abscence of any
qualification?

Council to defendant: "Sir, please explain in your own words the steps
you went through to install this boiler?"

Defendant: "I did, A, B, C, then D"

Council to expert witness: "In your expert opinion do you believe that
the actions as described by the defendant represented a correct and
technically competent way to carry out the work?"

Expert witness: "Yes"

Council to the expert witness: "Would you say that anything the
defendant did (or failed to to) was in any way contributory to the
explosion?"

Expert witness: "No"

Sorted....


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On Wed, 25 May 2005 16:54:53 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

How do you prove your competence, in the abscence of any
qualification?

Council to defendant: "Sir, please explain in your own words the steps
you went through to install this boiler?"

Defendant: "I did, A, B, C, then D"

Council to expert witness: "In your expert opinion do you believe that
the actions as described by the defendant represented a correct and
technically competent way to carry out the work?"

Expert witness: "Yes"

Council to the expert witness: "Would you say that anything the
defendant did (or failed to to) was in any way contributory to the
explosion?"

Expert witness: "No"

Any expert witness working _for_ the prosecution should be able to find
something to latch onto.

Note that often the install instructions will say things like
.... the supply pipework should conform to BS xxxx...
Then you would have to know you r way around that document and so on.


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On Wed, 25 May 2005 16:49:02 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote:

Why would you possibly need to notify CORGI?

SO they can invoice you for a certifacate of notification £100 to their
maffia monopoly $$$ ker-ching $$$

But they are not permitted to do so. The monopoly in certifying DIY
notifiable tasks is with the local building control department. CORGI's
monopoly is in not being required to do so.

I commissioned a boiler today and was able to submit the building
notification for £2.50 (through CORGI). Otherwise you are meant to submit
a building notice costing much more.

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Hi Guys

I've been reading through past comments about others doing a DIY task
of installing a boiler.

I've recently bought my first house and believe the baxi(?) free
standing boiler is dead (it has a long shiny tube going out of the
house through the flat roof - Townhouse), I got a quote and they are
around £3,000 (npower). Unfortunately I cannot afford these kind of
prices! Yesterday I popped into B&G and saw a combi boiler for £500
which seemed quite tempting, I looked at the back and there is a single
gas tube and a couple of water tubes so it looks easy to fit.... (he
says...)

Anyway, I wondered if it is illegal to install a boiler or what the
implications are? No one seems to want to know to help me! Or can
anyone recommend a person at a reasonable price? I live in Milton
Keynes

Thanks
Daz

You can fit a boiler yourself including the gas if you are reasonaby
mechanically inclined/ experienced in DIY/ not a dope. You don't need
to tell anyone. The specialist tools neeeded are minimal and can
be rigged up cheaply in most cases ( i.e. u-tube manometer for
measuring pressure ). You can often find the installaion instructions
for boilers/combis in pdf formats on the website of their manufacturer.
I used Vaillant, and they at no point required the use of a flue gas
analyser, the only specialist bit of kit that you might be asked for in
installation instructions. There are rules about the placing of flues,
about putting gas pipes through cavities or in stud walling, about
running pipes in concrete, about testing for leaks, about sizing
the gas pipe for the boiler etc etc. Look at the links at the bottom of Ed
Sirrett's post to get you started.

Look back at the posts on this Newsgroup by going to Google Groups
Archive and having a nose around for the past two or three years at
queries to do with gas fitting or combis/boilers. If you're fearful of not
being competent enough to fit a boiler then don't. Don't expect the
warranty to necessarily be honoured in the event of a fault since they
ask for the CORGI registration of the fitter on the guarantee card
( they did on mine ). Do expect to spend some days collecting and
digesting info and documents that will allow you to fit the boiler properly
and safely. Do come back here and ask questions if you're stuck. Don't
expect us to carry the can if you screw up! Finally, don't make any
mistakes on the gas side of things ( you don't have liability insurance! )!

Andy.

Ed Sirett wrote:

Note that often the install instructions will say things like
... the supply pipework should conform to BS xxxx...

BS6891 - as found in every corgi installers library ....NOT

The complete list ?

6898
5449
5546
5440:1
5440:2
6891
7074:1
7671


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Hey guys,

After reading all your valued opinions I have decided I'm going to get
a professional in to do it, while the connections look simple I am
going to doubt myself in doing the job properly!

What is interesting, is the different understandings to the competence
of the diy'er and how on earth the average person is supposed to grade
themselves

Anyway, thanks for all the advice!

Daz

In message , s--p--o--n--i--x
writes
On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:02:17 GMT, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk"
wrote:

I was under the impression that's not the case.
Corgi just convinced everyone it is the "law"

Can you point me to the web page that specifically states only a "Corgi"
registered plumber is legally allowed to do it?

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

I'm sorry, but I'm not CORGI reg'd and I consider myself competent, and
I feel that I could back that up in a court of law

So could others here

I've certainly got more of a clue than a lot of the CORGI pups I've
encountered



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geoff

In message , s--p--o--n--i--x
writes
On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:46:56 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

To carry out any gas work you must be 'competent'. In practice this
means that you must have a gas qualification. How else would you prove
'competance' in a court of law??

Competence could mean you have experience and intelligence. Read the info,
found out the regs and procedures and undertook them in a professional and
responsible manner.

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

In practice though, it does.

Imagine you install a boiler in your house, it explodes, kills someone
and you end up in court.

So if a CORGI does that, it's OK because he has his card, is it ?


How do you prove your competence, in the abscence of any
qualification?

And what makes you think that being CORGI reg'd means that someone's
competent



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geoff

In message , s--p--o--n--i--x
writes
On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:46:56 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Competence DOES NOT mean ant qualification.

From the dictionary:

"Properly or sufficiently qualified; capable. Capable of performing an
allotted or required function. Legally qualified or fit to perform an
act. Able to distinguish right from wrong and to manage one's
affairs."

So we have a number of definitions there - one of which is capable

--
geoff

Hey guys,

After reading all your valued opinions I have decided I'm going to get
a professional in to do it, while the connections look simple I am
going to doubt myself in doing the job properly!

What is interesting, is the different understandings to the competence
of the diy'er and how on earth the average person is supposed to grade
themselves

Anyway, thanks for all the advice!

Daz

"andrewpreece" wrote:

Don't expect the
warranty to necessarily be honoured in the event of a fault since they
ask for the CORGI registration of the fitter on the guarantee card
( they did on mine ).

Which would probably be deemed an unacceptable and unfair term and
condition in a court of law.


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"Phil" wrote in message
...
"andrewpreece" wrote:

Don't expect the
warranty to necessarily be honoured in the event of a fault since they
ask for the CORGI registration of the fitter on the guarantee card
( they did on mine ).

Which would probably be deemed an unacceptable and unfair term and
condition in a court of law.


--

Interesting point, though I expect I'd have to go to a court of law if they
proved difficult over a fault that occurred in the warranty period, and
that's
a lot of hassle ( which I imagine they rely on to stop people taking it
further ).
Still, my two year warranty expired at Christmas and the boiler has worked
perfectly so I'm never going to find out exactly how Vaillant would handle a
claim for a non-Corgi installed combi!

Andy.

Ed Sirett wrote:

I commissioned a boiler today and was able to submit the building
notification for £2.50 (through CORGI). Otherwise you are meant to submit
a building notice costing much more.

Prolly not £150 or whatever the going rate is.

Actually I've been quoted £165 + VAT by eco-hometec for comissioning of
soon to arrive boiler.

or £500 inc. from the man in Devon for complete install & comissioning.