"Holly in France" wrote in message
...
My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2.

It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed. If you have a firewire connection, you will have no problems at all
as the connection speed is similar to USB 2.0

HTH,
Adrian

"Holly in France" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:

snip

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs
XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet.


Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully - the internet connection
is for looking up track names when you rip CDs and for buying music online
so it is possible to do without.

I sympathise with you about being forced to upgrade opersting systems; I had
to install XP over my trusty 98 to take advantage of a free broadband
package - the modem would install perfectly but the ISP installation CD
wouldn't allow it...

Hi all, I'm posting this to ie.comp and also uk.diy since folks there are a
fountain of knowledge on all sorts of issues, cut the x-post if you want
to.

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
other than this.

Please does anyone know what 'bits' of SP2 are needed to run iPod photo
software? ie, would it be possible to download (onto a computer running
Win98) or ask someone to send me the relevant updates?

Have searched the Apple site and discussion forums, will continue to google
and ask on the forum if necessary.

Another point, the iPod says it needs a high power USB2 port - how do we
know if ours is high power or not, and just in case it isn't, are we likely
to do any damage if we plug it in and see what happens?! If not I will try
installing the iPod software, maybe the music bit might work even if the
photo bit doesn't - or not?! Anyone ever tried it?

Any other good ideas out there?

A general whinge - why do so many products require very recent computers in
order to work? We have four perfectly good computers here, and two digital
cameras which will only work with one of them and now an iPod which won't
work with any of them!

TIA

--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:

snip

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
other than this..........snip the rest

Aha, sorry bad form to reply to myself, might have found the answer he

http://mho.republika.pl/ipod/index.shtml

Anyone ever tried it or know of a similar driver which is known to work?
The iPod is already formatted and has some music on it (husband organised
it through a friend). It would be much better if I could get it working on
my own Win98 machine rather than using the kids computer all the time.

TIA again

--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

Holly in France wrote:

Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need
100 people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France

And we are always being told that everyone in France
has infinite speed broadband for 1 sou a year.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

On Sat, 21 May 2005 12:05:34 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:

"Holly in France" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:

snip

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs
XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet.


Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully - the internet connection
is for looking up track names when you rip CDs and for buying music online
so it is possible to do without.

I was only thinking of using the internet to download the XP SP2 update,
since I read it was possible that it might not need the whole 260mB
download if done using Windows Update. Also that downloading SP2 update
onto a Win98 computer and then tranferring to the XP one might be asking
for trouble, apart from which the win98 machine doesn't have room! Other
than that we will copy music off existing CDs. But as I said in the other
post, I would rather not use the XP computer at all if I can use my own
Win98 machine.

I sympathise with you about being forced to upgrade opersting systems; I had
to install XP over my trusty 98 to take advantage of a free broadband
package - the modem would install perfectly but the ISP installation CD
wouldn't allow it...

Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need 100
people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France
Telecom will upgrade the lines, and that's not going to happen anytime
soon!


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

Holly in France wrote:
Another point, the iPod says it needs a high power USB2 port - how do we
know if ours is high power or not, and just in case it isn't, are we likely
to do any damage if we plug it in and see what happens?!

Probably not. If the iPod needs more power than your PC's USB ports can
provide, you can plug in a *powered* USB hub which costs not a lot.

Owain

On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:58:46 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Holly in France wrote:

Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need
100 people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France

And we are always being told that everyone in France
has infinite speed broadband for 1 sou a year.

Are you? :-) Hmm, well, I think unlimited broadband packages start at about
15 euro/month, although it seems to vary with the speed one chooses. I pay
the same for unlimited access 5am to 5pm and 20 hours/month outside those
times, anything over that at the local phone rate. I'm online as much as I
want and for me this is about as much as I used the old esat nolimits
service. Broadband coverage in France is very good on the whole, it's just
people out in the sticks who don't have it. How easily available is in
Ireland these days, and at what price?

You set followups to uk.diy but since you appear to be posting from ie.comp
I have added it back in, hope that's Ok with you. I'll leave uk.diy in for
now too but it's probably more on topic on ie.comp.


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:

"Holly in France" wrote in message
...
My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2.

It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.

Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?

If you have a firewire connection,

No such newfangled things here :-)


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

Holly in France wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


"Holly in France" wrote in message
. ..

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2.

It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.


Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?


If you have a firewire connection,


No such newfangled things here :-)



For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent
out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz
the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type
issues.

In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).

Des O'Donoghue wrote:
Holly in France wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


"Holly in France" wrote in message
...

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It
needs XP
with SP2.


It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB
port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.



Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to
remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the
name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?


If you have a firewire connection,



No such newfangled things here :-)



For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent
out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz
the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type
issues.

In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).

Here is the link to get SP2 on CD


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...s/default.mspx

In message , Holly in France
writes
Hi all, I'm posting this to ie.comp and also uk.diy since folks there are a
fountain of knowledge on all sorts of issues, cut the x-post if you want
to.

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
other than this.

Go to the microsoft site and ask them to send you the SP2 CD it's FOC

otherwise, I have just dug it out, I have it here and can send you a
copy if you send me your address


Please does anyone know what 'bits' of SP2
.... ...

Anyone ever tried it?

dunno


A general whinge - why do so many products require very recent computers in
order to work? We have four perfectly good computers here, and two digital
cameras which will only work with one of them and now an iPod which won't
work with any of them!

Technology moves on ...

--
geoff

On Sat, 21 May 2005 18:43:56 +0100, Des O'Donoghue wrote:

Holly in France wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


"Holly in France" wrote in message
...

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2.

It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.


Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?




For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent
out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz
the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type
issues.

In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).

Thanks for everyones replies to this thread. I had problems getting the XP
computer to 'see' the ipod at all, but after resetting the ipod it now
(partially so far) works without SP2 and with the existing USB port. I
haven't managed to load the software that came with the ipod without an
internet connection, but have loaded itunes, which can now see the contents
of the ipod. Just have to work out how to load the music onto the ipod
manually now (to avoid losing existing music on ipod!), haven't had time
yet. itunes loads photos though so I hope it will do music too.

I'm also half way there with the Win98 computer, which was much easier
using a downloaded driver and it saw the ipod first time round - a miracle!
I can use the ipod as an external disk drive, which is handy, can get music
off it OK but can't upload it in a way that it can be 'seen' by the ipod
software. I haven't so far found any software which can 'see' the ipod even
though it's mounted and visible as an external drive, so I am slowly
working on that too. RealPlayer should work but is a huge download so will
try to get that on CD. Winamp might work but needs windows scripting host
which I disabled long ago for security reasons which I now can't remember!

So, I think I'll get there in the end, thanks again for everyones help.


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

"Holly in France" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 18:43:56 +0100, Des O'Donoghue wrote:

Holly in France wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


"Holly in France" wrote in message
...

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs
XP
with SP2.

It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB
port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.


Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to
remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up
would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the
name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?




For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent
out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz
the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type
issues.

In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).

Thanks for everyones replies to this thread. I had problems getting the XP
computer to 'see' the ipod at all, but after resetting the ipod it now
(partially so far) works without SP2 and with the existing USB port. I
haven't managed to load the software that came with the ipod without an
internet connection, but have loaded itunes, which can now see the
contents
of the ipod. Just have to work out how to load the music onto the ipod
manually now (to avoid losing existing music on ipod!), haven't had time
yet. itunes loads photos though so I hope it will do music too.

I'm also half way there with the Win98 computer, which was much easier
using a downloaded driver and it saw the ipod first time round - a
miracle!
I can use the ipod as an external disk drive, which is handy, can get
music
off it OK but can't upload it in a way that it can be 'seen' by the ipod
software. I haven't so far found any software which can 'see' the ipod
even
though it's mounted and visible as an external drive, so I am slowly
working on that too. RealPlayer should work but is a huge download so will
try to get that on CD. Winamp might work but needs windows scripting host
which I disabled long ago for security reasons which I now can't remember!

So, I think I'll get there in the end, thanks again for everyones help.


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

It's well worth browsing the FAQs and forums (fora? :-) ) at
http://www.ipodlounge.com/

They explain how to manually synchronise the Ipod without losing existing
music and also tell of an excellent utility called PodUtil which enables you
to download the music from your Ipod into Itunes so a) you have it backed up
and b) you can synchronise automatically which is simpler.

It is a very good site covering all things poddish

Adrian

"Holly in France" wrote in message
.. .

I was only thinking of using the internet to download the XP SP2 update,
since I read it was possible that it might not need the whole 260mB
download if done using Windows Update.

If you want you can email me your address and I'll send you a DVD or CD
with SP2, Real Player, Windows Media Player, any other downloads you want.

As someone who never thought he would get Broadband but did, I empathise
with your problems in getting large downloads over dialup.

Martin Harran

Adrian Berry wrote:


It's well worth browsing the FAQs and forums (fora? :-) ) at
http://www.ipodlounge.com/

Thanks, had already been there after my original post, I think it was
link from there that lead me to the Win98 driver.

They explain how to manually synchronise the Ipod without losing
existing music and also tell of an excellent utility called PodUtil
which enables you to download the music from your Ipod into Itunes so
a) you have it backed up and b) you can synchronise automatically
which is simpler.

ISTR PodUtil was one which wouldn't work with win98, or else I thought
there was some other problem with it. I'll have another look. I suspect
I would be OK with what I have if I had the ipod software on the XP
machine, I've just been too lazy so far to connect it all up to the
internet so that I can install the software. Bloody nuisance, you pay
for the ipod and ergo the software, and then can't install it without an
internet connection :-(

It is a very good site covering all things poddish

Yes indeed, thanks again
--
Holly, in France
Holiday Home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/