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Doctor Evil wrote:
..I'm voting for Tone
..I'm voting for Tone
..the economy is good
..the employment rate is very low
..just as we know it should

..I'm voting for Tone
..I'm voting for Tone
..at pe-school the tots now go
..because education has improved
..and has a lot to show

..I'm voting for Tone
..I'm voting for Tone
..interest rates?
..what are they?
..under the others they made us sway
..how could we keep the bailiffs away?

..I'm voting for Tone
..I'm voting for Tone
..the crime rate has dropped a lot
..with theft and felons under the "others"
..you may have ended up shot

..I'm voting for Tone
..I'm voting for Tone
..Dracula and Boris we rightly fear
..we really don't want them ruling here
..for 18 years we were very poor
..I'll vote for Tony and have no more

I take it you don't have a pension fund?

Yep, and Tony got back in with thumping majority. With The Tories
making
little to no ground. Any seats they gained were because of shifts to
LibDems because Tony did the right thing for world peace.

FIVE MORE YEARS!!!!!!! Now we move on boldly.

Labour got in with around 36% of the vote

The Tories got under 30%, so 70% don't want them. And about 22 of all
eligible to vote, so 80% don't them. So, on boldly. You will benefit
greatly.

Stop being a sycophant.

At the present time (with some minor seats left to declare). Labour have
35.6% of the vote and the Tories have 32.7% - so yet again your facts are
wrong - but then actual facts never bothered labour voters (or politicians)
did they? And actually - no, I do not believe that I will benefit greatly
from another lab gov't. The only good thing is that newlab now have their
claws clipped. Even your golden boy Tone admits that he is going to have to
start listening to what people want - and not just giving them what he
thinks they want.

Kev

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snip babble

Maggie Thatcher is generally regarded
as the best prime minister this
country has ever had.

I will have to drop you now as it is clear you are demented.

The only demented ones are the half-wits

You are clearly not right.

Oh but I am.

Kev

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Uno Hoo! wrote:

Labour got in with around 36% of the vote - a lower percentage than any
UK
party retaining power *EVER*. This means that 64% of the electorate do
not
want them.

rubbish !

only 61 % of the electorate turned out.

do the maths again.

Simpler to say that 64% of those who bothered to vote do not want them. The
proportion of those who did not want labour must include a number of
none-voters who registered their protest by not voting at all.

Kev

In article , Uno Hoo! wrote:
You ask a professional because they have the intelligence and
grasp of technicalities to know what they are talking about. Did this
group of professionals vote for 'Tone'? Did they hell as like - they
have more sense.

From the Architects Journal

"Labour’s narrow election victory has been welcomed by a number of
London’s larger architectural practices. ...

David Stanford, Managing Director at Reid Architecture's London office,
was particularly delighted. He said: ‘The Labour manifesto was the most
“architecture friendly” of the 3 main parties, and their reduced
majority means they will have to listen more to the views of the public
as well as their own back-benchers.’

John Assael, head of Assael Architecture, agreed. ‘I am delighted with
the Labour win,’ he said. ‘This is good news for us as we specialise in
urban regeneration and housing - areas where we know the Labour
Government will continue to focus a great deal of interest."

There are a whole load of professional and intelligent people who are
doing very nicely on government spending. Turkeys don't vote for
Christmas.

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"Uno Hoo!" wrote in message
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snip

Maggie Thatcher is generally regarded as the best prime minister
this
country has ever had. Not amongst labour voters of course - they
don't know
any better.

snip

You are of course quite correct, but only amongst Tory voters of
course - they don't know any better....

Tony Bryer wrote:

There are a whole load of professional and intelligent people who are
doing very nicely on government spending. Turkeys don't vote for
Christmas.

ahem http://www.adamafriyie.org/


RT

Uno Hoo! wrote:
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Uno Hoo! wrote:


Labour got in with around 36% of the vote - a lower percentage than any
UK
party retaining power *EVER*. This means that 64% of the electorate do
not
want them.

rubbish !

only 61 % of the electorate turned out.

do the maths again.


Simpler to say that 64% of those who bothered to vote do not want them. The
proportion of those who did not want labour must include a number of
none-voters who registered their protest by not voting at all.

They most likely didn't vote because Corrie was on the box.
i.e. they are probably poorly educated, lazy & ignorant.
However, having said that, I was amazed when a young colleague, 24 years
old, 1st class technical degree; was not sure which party M Howard led!

Doctor Evil wrote:

So, on boldly. You will benefit
greatly.

Stop being a sycophant.


Well, we're currently eight years into a ten-year plan (remember
that?) to restore (?) competence to the public sector. When do you
suppose King Tony will start thinking about how to do it?

Boldly, was it you said?

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Uno Hoo! wrote:
You ask a professional because they have the intelligence and
grasp of technicalities to know what they are talking about. Did this
group of professionals vote for 'Tone'? Did they hell as like - they
have more sense.

From the Architects Journal

"Labour's narrow election victory has been welcomed by a number of
London's larger architectural practices. ...

David Stanford, Managing Director at Reid Architecture's London office,
was particularly delighted. He said: 'The Labour manifesto was the most
"architecture friendly" of the 3 main parties, and their reduced
majority means they will have to listen more to the views of the public
as well as their own back-benchers.'

John Assael, head of Assael Architecture, agreed. 'I am delighted with
the Labour win,' he said. 'This is good news for us as we specialise in
urban regeneration and housing - areas where we know the Labour
Government will continue to focus a great deal of interest."

There are a whole load of professional and intelligent people who are
doing very nicely on government spending. Turkeys don't vote for
Christmas.

I have no doubt whatsoever that some professionals voted for Tone, in the
same way that some working class voted for the Tories. On the whole,
however, I doubt that you would argue this is a major trend.

Kev

Uno Hoo! wrote:

Even your golden boy Tone admits that he is going to have to
start listening to what people want - and not just giving them what he
thinks they want.

Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to do?

Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?


Tone is a simple case of big grin "Trust me. I won't let you down, I
am on your side" Thinks "..you ****ing peasants"

Now I have the power what was it I wanted to do? Oh right, Be as big a
as Churchill on the world stage "Gordon? Mind the shop will you?
Alistair? How do I betray the people who voted for me and have them
still love me and come out smelling of roses? What's that? Machiavelli?
Sounds cool. Let's get on with it..."

[news] wrote:

Uno Hoo! wrote:


Labour got in with around 36% of the vote - a lower percentage than any UK
party retaining power *EVER*. This means that 64% of the electorate do not
want them.


rubbish !

only 61 % of the electorate turned out.

do the maths again.

Yup. 78% of the population of this country did NOT VOTE LABER

But the slimy **** is still there, nonetheless.



RT

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Uno Hoo! wrote:

Even your golden boy Tone admits that he is going to have to
start listening to what people want - and not just giving them
what he
thinks they want.

Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to do?

Well, he said he was going to (get the UK armed forces to) invade Iraq
and he did....


Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?


Tone is a simple case of big grin "Trust me. I won't let you down,
I
am on your side" Thinks "..you ****ing peasants"

Yes, and he learnt that way of governing off Maggie....

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[news] wrote:

Uno Hoo! wrote:


Labour got in with around 36% of the vote - a lower percentage
than any UK
party retaining power *EVER*. This means that 64% of the
electorate do not
want them.


rubbish !

only 61 % of the electorate turned out.

do the maths again.

Yup. 78% of the population of this country did NOT VOTE LABER

But the slimy **** is still there, nonetheless.


Even less voted for Maggie in '83.....

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Uno Hoo! wrote:

Even your golden boy Tone admits that he is going to have to

start listening to what people want - and not just giving them

what he

thinks they want.

Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to do?


Well, he said he was going to (get the UK armed forces to) invade Iraq
and he did....


Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?


Tone is a simple case of big grin "Trust me. I won't let you down,

I

am on your side" Thinks "..you ****ing peasants"


Yes, and he learnt that way of governing off Maggie....


Indeed.

On 07 May 2005, The Natural Philosopher wrote

Uno Hoo! wrote:

Even your golden boy Tone admits that he is going to have to
start listening to what people want - and not just giving them
what he thinks they want.

Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to
do?

Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?

I clearly recall that in his first term, he was widely criticised for
doing precisely that -- the most frequent carping against him was that
it was "government by focus group", doing only what people wanted
rather than what the government thought was right for the country.

Funny how times and perceptions change.

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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 07 May 2005, The Natural Philosopher wrote



Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to
do?

Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?


I clearly recall that in his first term, he was widely criticised for
doing precisely that -- the most frequent carping against him was that
it was "government by focus group", doing only what people wanted
rather than what the government thought was right for the country.

Funny how times and perceptions change.


He came to power in 1997 with a ten year plan to restore the public
services to their former greatness, or so he told us. The widespread
use of focus groups or other 'ask the people' techniques showed very
clearly that there had never been any such plan. Even today, eight
years into the ten, he obviously hasn't a clue what to do.

The only plan that is evident, the only successful policy in eight
years, has been to buy enough votes to stay in power, regardless of
his lack of achievement. Even that success is entirely due to the only
competent (unfortunately) member of the executive, the Chief Thief.

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'Tone' tells lies and employs and re-employs scoundrels.

whilst Michael Howard employs a really nasty sounding Australian to
tell him what to say.

And your 'Tone' employs an even
nastier Campbell to tell *him* what to say
!! Strange isn't it how all these sleazy,
discredited, foul mouthed yobs who
lurk within the Labour party always
manage to creep back in when the dust
has settled?


Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into Channel 4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and then. I
overhead one Tory MP once saying about: Campbell, Mandelson, Blair and
Brown; I wish we had them on our side.
Tone & co must've been rubbing their hands with glee when MH was made
Tory leader.

Derek * wrote:
On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:59:24 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Education is in a mess.

This is not what I see. Any evidence for this article of faith?



None so blind.. See below. But someone else can do education.



NHS is in a mess,

This is not what I see. Any evidence for this article of faith?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wal*es/3591667.stm


Extract


Patients 'die waiting', doctor claims


Dr Penny, a cardiologist at the University Hospital of Wales,
Cardiff,
said that many of his patients are waiting up to two years


************************************************** ***********

http://snipurl.com/a0je

I have more experience of NHS over the last 25 years than I would wish
due to wife's long term illness. Without a doubt the Thatcher era was
appalling. If you looked under any ward bed there was thick dust in the
shape of the bed i.e. they didn't clean under. Also contract cleaners
wiped all lockers & bedside tables with same bit of wet paper.
The cleaning today is very much better.

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snip

Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into Channel 4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and then.

And was promptly made mince meat by (IIRC) Jon Snow when Campbell
started to throw his toys out of his pram'....

In article , OldBill wrote:
Tone & co must've been rubbing their hands with glee when MH was made
Tory leader.

Don't you think they'd have preferred the Tories to keep IDS? The
question is whether next time round they will pick a leader they like or
one the public will vote for?

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I have more experience of NHS over the last 25 years than I would
wish
due to wife's long term illness. Without a doubt the Thatcher era
was
appalling. If you looked under any ward bed there was thick dust in
the
shape of the bed i.e. they didn't clean under. Also contract
cleaners
wiped all lockers & bedside tables with same bit of wet paper.
The cleaning today is very much better.

But still bad, the plush admin offices are spotless though...

On Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:28 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:


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Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into Channel 4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and then.

And was promptly made mince meat by (IIRC) Jon Snow when Campbell
started to throw his toys out of his pram'....



.. and Jon Snow is a pussycat compared with Paxo.

Actually, Paxo's not that bright - just abrasive.

Considering that, it doesn't make Campbell at all impressive.



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On Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:28 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
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snip

Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into Channel
4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and
then.

And was promptly made mince meat by (IIRC) Jon Snow when Campbell
started to throw his toys out of his pram'....



. and Jon Snow is a pussycat compared with Paxo.

Actually, Paxo's not that bright - just abrasive.


IMO he just comes over as abrasive, if the interviewee doesn't start
talking about what has been asked by word six.... Quite right too, "If
I might just say...." or "I think the real issue is..." is just
wasting time - and the politicians know to well that the day of the
long interview has passed.

Considering that, it doesn't make Campbell at all impressive.


Indeed, the dangerous one is Manselson, having learnt his 'trade' from
working on LWT's Weekend World...

If King Tony is so great, how come a sizeable number of HIS OWN MP's
want him to go soon?

Homer2911 wrote:

If King Tony is so great, how come a sizeable number of HIS OWN MP's
want him to go soon?


(a) because like most Nu Laber politicians, they are a bunch of
incompetent tosspots who can't se eright fromg wrong?

(b) Because Tone is an incompetent toss post who cant tell right from wrong?

(c) all of the above?


I see in the guardian that government departments have spent £2bn on
managemant consultants to tell them how to manage.

To be paid for by sacking 3bn of staff.

Any decent Tory government woul'd have just sacked the staff...:-)

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Homer2911 wrote:

If King Tony is so great, how come a sizeable number of HIS OWN
MP's
want him to go soon?


(a) because like most Nu Laber politicians, they are a bunch of
incompetent tosspots who can't se eright fromg wrong?

(b) Because Tone is an incompetent toss post who cant tell right
from wrong?

(c) all of the above?

As has been said before, Tony and 'neu labour' learnt all they know
from the Thatcher era.



I see in the guardian that government departments have spent £2bn on
managemant consultants to tell them how to manage.

To be paid for by sacking 3bn of staff.

That's a lot of staff - perhaps they have decided to abolish the
entire Civil Service !


Any decent Tory government woul'd have just sacked the staff...:-)

Whilst awarding themselves £2bn worth of bonuses....

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snip

Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into Channel 4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and then.

And was promptly made mince
meat by (IIRC) Jon Snow when Campbell
started to throw his toys out of his pram'....

You must have watched a different interview than the rest of us then.


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In article , OldBill wrote:
Tone & co must've been rubbing their hands with glee when MH was made
Tory leader.

Don't you think they'd have preferred the Tories to keep IDS? The
question is whether next time round they will pick a leader they like or
one the public will vote for?

If politics keep going the way it is then the LibDems will replace the
Tories as No. 2 party. Blair could have called an election in Autumn 2006.
Then Iraq would be further back in time and he would have kept his
landslide. He can go for another 5 years, and should do. If he went for
two 5 years terms we would be only 3 years into his second term and 2 years
off the third election.

By the next election New Lab and the Filth will have new leaders, and apart
from any upsets, if New Lab keep going the way they are another landslide is
on the cards.

New for Blair and Brown to attack the land problem,.



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I have more experience of NHS over the last 25 years than I would wish
due to wife's long term illness. Without a doubt the Thatcher era was
appalling. If you looked under any ward bed there was thick dust in the
shape of the bed i.e. they didn't clean under. Also contract cleaners
wiped all lockers & bedside tables with same bit of wet paper.
The cleaning today is very much better.

I have had a quite a bit of exposure to the NHS over the past 4 years. The
service overall has been excellent. Any gripes have been trivial to the
point of not worth worrying about. Cleanliness? Well if it was bad it
would have stood out and I would have noticed. I can't say that I have seen
anything neglectfully dirty.


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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 07 May 2005, The Natural Philosopher wrote



Don't be daft, on both counts.

First of all when has Tony ever done what he says he is going to
do?

Secondly when has he ever given people what they want either?


I clearly recall that in his first term, he was widely criticised for
doing precisely that -- the most frequent carping against him was that
it was "government by focus group", doing only what people wanted
rather than what the government thought was right for the country.

Funny how times and perceptions change.


He came to power in 1997 with a ten
year plan to restore the public
services to their former greatness,
or so he told us.

Correct. Public services are a world ahead of what they were.

The widespread use of focus groups or
other 'ask the people' techniques showed very
clearly that there had never been any such plan.

You are making things up.

Even today, eight
years into the ten, he obviously
hasn't a clue what to do.

Do you live in the UK? and have been here before Blair came to power? If
you were then you are clearly demented.


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Tone didn't inherit the country in
the state Thatcher did from
Calligan in '79, in comparison
it was in very good nick.

You must stop making things up.

Oh the winter of discontent!!! The rubbish collectors were on strike and
made the place look a mess, that's all that happened. The economy was sound
and unemployment low.

Under Thatcher there was a permanent recession, It just varied in intensity
until Blair and Brown sorted the country out. Mortgage rates at 15-16% and
100,000s of homes being repossessed through failed Thatcher economic
policies. How could anyone **** up something so quickly was awsome. All
Thatcher did was try to creates a consumer boom just before each election as
failed economic policy after each other fell through.

One stunt was the Big Bang in banking and finance. The UK banking system was
a closed shop and they were not that good at it, with public school/Oxbridge
types poorly running the place - what school you went to dictated what
position you had
in the organisation. She opened it up to international competition to create
the boom. The meritocratic Americans, and others, came in and swept up,
employing sharp working class English kids. Today US companies are
predominant. Well her boom fell flat on it arse a few months after it
happened.

All Thatcher did was open up the UK financial sector out of panic not
because of desire. Anyone who shouts about Thatcher is an idiot.

FACT! Each time Labour government has taken office the economy has been in
a mess. Each time the Tories took control the economy was sound. One of
the Tories aims is to keep the ruling class wealthy. Each time they have
been in power they have always managed to do that. If the strata's beneath
become poor in the process, well that is their hard luck.



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If King Tony is so great, how come
a sizeable number of HIS OWN MP's
want him to go soon?

He said he would not be leader after the next election. So, many are saying
move over now for the next leader, so he can have a good run in. That has
been said many times on the TV.



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Indeed, the dangerous one is Manselson,
having learnt his 'trade' from
working on LWT's Weekend World...

What is dangerous about Manselson?

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On Thu, 5 May 2005 16:30:49 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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Does every illegal immigrant ring up Lunar House to tell them he is here?

Is the Pope a Zorroastrian?

The fact is that this last government
have demonstrated they have
no taste for, and no intention of,
controlling immigration, or
limiting asylum

Stop making things up.

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I have no doubt whatsoever that
some professionals voted for Tone, in the
same way that some working class
voted for the Tories. On the whole,
however, I doubt that you would argue
this is a major trend.

It is. The intelligentsia vote Labour. What keeps the Tories in power is
British petty snobbery, and just about everything they advocate has this
threaded through. Education and health; when they carp on about "choice",
that means you can have your kid in a school that doesn't have the council
estate kids in as well. Who knows what will happen having your kids mix with
the children of a factory worker. They may end up liking football, God
forbid.

The working class that vote Tory generally believe the Tory party means
patriotism. When history proves it to be the reverse.

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In article , OldBill wrote:
Tone & co must've been rubbing their hands with glee when MH was
made
Tory leader.

Don't you think they'd have preferred the Tories to keep IDS? The
question is whether next time round they will pick a leader they
like or
one the public will vote for?

If politics keep going the way it is then the LibDems will replace
the
Tories as No. 2 party. Blair could have called an election in
Autumn 2006.

Not if electoral history means anything, remember the last two
administrations that went to the wire, one Tory and one Labour - both
lost...

Also, it looks like the UK is heading for a drastic economic slow
down, if not a recession, if Tone had left things any later he could
have been trying to defend himself in the middle of any slow down - he
would not be able to pull the same stunt that Thatcher did because he
has removed HMG's ability to fix things like interest rates etc.

Then Iraq would be further back in time and he would have kept his

Err, yes, but there is also the possibility that more of the truth
will have come out, also if things don't get better in Iraq and our
troops get bogged down...

landslide. He can go for another 5 years, and should do. If he
went for
two 5 years terms we would be only 3 years into his second term and
2 years
off the third election.

By the next election New Lab and the Filth will have new leaders,
and apart
from any upsets, if New Lab keep going the way they are another
landslide is
on the cards.

Yes, for the Liberals !...

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Campbell is brilliant. Very intelligent. He walked into
Channel 4
unannounced and demanded and interview, and got one there and
then.

And was promptly made mince
meat by (IIRC) Jon Snow when Campbell
started to throw his toys out of his pram'....

You must have watched a different interview than the rest of us
then.


No. I watched the un edited interview that was broadcast live by ITN /
Ch4, not the neu labour version distributed to loyal part members...
:~)

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
he
would not be able to pull the same stunt that Thatcher did because he
has removed HMG's ability to fix things like interest rates etc.

Are you suggesting that if HMG wanted to take back control of interest
rates that some higher authority would stop it? I don't think the EU
is involved here.

It was always a one-way bet.

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No. I watched the un edited interview that was broadcast live by ITN /
Ch4, not the neu labour version distributed to loyal part members...
:~)


Judging by today's meeting it seems half his 'loyal' MPs didn't "vote for
Tone".

"Joe" wrote in message
...
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
he
would not be able to pull the same stunt that Thatcher did because
he
has removed HMG's ability to fix things like interest rates etc.

Are you suggesting that if HMG wanted to take back control of
interest
rates that some higher authority would stop it? I don't think the EU
is involved here.

I might be wrong but I understood it as a one way move, even if the
HMG could take back control, for the same administration / people to
do so would be seen as an admission of frecking up the original
decision I suspect...