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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:07:01 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: I believe you but still think it's daft. Coffins are still cheaper than wedding dresses. |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:07:01 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I believe you but still think it's daft. Coffins are still cheaper than wedding dresses. Not if you make your own! My mother made mine, I made a daughter in law's (and her bridesmaid's) a daughter made her own and a daughter in law's mother made hers. Of course we're all Tykes - except for the last, who's a Scot :-) Mary |
"Owain" wrote in message ... Andy Dingley wrote: Handles are cast brass pub door handles There might be a certain aptness in that for some :-) As an aside, it is _very_ difficult to store a corpse (Oh, Google is going to love this posting). As an alternative to all this coffin business http://www.uaf.edu/museum/mammal/Pro...nual/bugs.html then have a memorial service a couple of months later and everyone can take a bone home as a souvenir. I have so many bones in a funerary pot on the window sill ... but I didn't have the help of bugs! They all come in at some time. Mary Owain |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:59:27 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Andy Dingley" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:07:01 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I believe you but still think it's daft. Coffins are still cheaper than wedding dresses. Not if you make your own! My mother made mine, I made a daughter in law's (and her bridesmaid's) a daughter made her own and a daughter in law's mother made hers. Of course we're all Tykes - except for the last, who's a Scot :-) Mary Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? No, I think it's a relatively modern (Victorian?) custom. Mine was ivory. You can read into that what you like. I'm hoping to spray it with gold in five years for our fiftieth annivesary but I'll have to shed a couple of stones :-( Mary |
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:02:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: Many years ago I read The AmericanWay of Death. It sickened me and I determined then not to have anything to do with the awful business. The closer I get to death the more determined I am. Looks like the Ghanians have a better way: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4215923.stm cheers, Pete. |
"Pete C" wrote in message ... On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:02:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: Many years ago I read The AmericanWay of Death. It sickened me and I determined then not to have anything to do with the awful business. The closer I get to death the more determined I am. Looks like the Ghanians have a better way: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4215923.stm No, that's just as daft. A waste of money. Mary cheers, Pete. |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:06:29 +0100, Pete C wrote:
Looks like the Ghanians have a better way: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4215923.stm Those are wonderful ! |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:46:35 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:59:27 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Andy Dingley" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:07:01 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I believe you but still think it's daft. Coffins are still cheaper than wedding dresses. Not if you make your own! My mother made mine, I made a daughter in law's (and her bridesmaid's) a daughter made her own and a daughter in law's mother made hers. Of course we're all Tykes - except for the last, who's a Scot :-) Mary Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? I think it was to symbolise purity, i.e. virginity, wasn't it? -- Frank Erskine |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:02:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? No, I think it's a relatively modern (Victorian?) custom. Mine was ivory. You can read into that what you like. I'm hoping to spray it with gold in five years for our fiftieth annivesary but I'll have to shed a couple of stones :-( Mary Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Of course it was only what I was told - I wouldn't dare suggest such a thing....... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Andy Hall wrote:
Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Ah, just wait until I tell the Washing Ironing Food Etc, that one! LOL! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Poggenpau did something like that in a magazine advert about twenty years ago. Rumour is sales plummetted. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message "Andy Hall" wrote in message Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? No, I think it's a relatively modern (Victorian?) custom. Mine was ivory. You can read into that what you like. I'm hoping to spray it with gold in five years for our fiftieth annivesary but I'll have to shed a couple of stones :-( Mary Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Years ago we didn't have any other domestic appliances ... husbands wouldn't ave known how to repair them. Of course it was only what I was told - I wouldn't dare suggest such a thing....... Wimp :-) Mary -- .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Frank Erskine" wrote in message Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? I think it was to symbolise purity, i.e. virginity, wasn't it? Well that's the received wisdom now but until recently people just wore their ordinary clothes - perhaps their best. And of course in other cultures white isn't worn, it's often associated with death. That reminds me of the other thread and all that horrid white satin in coffins (sorry, I'm quite obsessed with this for the moment!). Surely the suggestion isn't that corpses are intact? There's an option for white horses and white hearse for funerals ... muse mode I wonder if you can have any other colour padding to protect your lifeless shell? Mary |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. As an afterthought, dark colours and silver are now the fashion for kitchens, I thought. Our cooker is mostly black. Didn't want that but it was a very good deal ... Mary |
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:16:56 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Burial may not be environmentally friendly either. Decaying remains may pollute local water courses. You mean like all the worms and other invertebrates, birds and mammals which die and become part of the Earth? To say nothing of all the water creatures which die in the water courses? Over the years, there have been outbreaks of diseases that have been passed to the living through water contamination. The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries. The remains have contaminated local water supplies. The problem is still very common in South Africa where people drink untreated water. Graham Graham |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
That reminds me of the other thread and all that horrid white satin in coffins (sorry, I'm quite obsessed with this for the moment!). Surely the suggestion isn't that corpses are intact? There's an option for white horses and white hearse for funerals ... American, I suspect. muse mode I wonder if you can have any other colour padding to protect your lifeless shell? Of course you can. Offcuts of the hall carpet in the clan tartan might be an attractive and thrifty option north of the Antonine Wall. Owain |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:40:58 GMT, wrote: Over the years, there have been outbreaks of diseases that have been passed to the living through water contamination. Certainly. Biggest technical and healthcare innovation in the last 200 years was decent sanitation for cities. The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries. Now this is more debatable. Current thinking in disaster relief is that body disposal _isn't_ as urgent as it used to be thought. One badly sited latrine (or lack of) is more damaging to a watercourse than a lot of dead bodies. I waas going to say all that! I was giong to ask for evidence of "The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries" In UK at least I'd question that cemeteries were responsible for disease. Mary |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:13:13 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: In UK at least I'd question that cemeteries were responsible for disease. There have been some. There was eveb an infamous Plague Pit somewhere in the Pennines that caused a landslip and buried houses ! One of the few ways of dying worse than the Boston Molasses Flood. |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:09:04 +0100, Owain
wrote: Offcuts of the hall carpet in the clan tartan My clan tartan was created in the '70s (not even the 1870s) when someone from Florida (Florida ! I ask you !) obtained permission to resurrect the defunct clan. That rather killed any interest in wearing plaid and so my kilt is in the Hunting Gothic (black on black) instead. |
"Owain" wrote in message t... Mary Fisher wrote: That reminds me of the other thread and all that horrid white satin in coffins (sorry, I'm quite obsessed with this for the moment!). Surely the suggestion isn't that corpses are intact? There's an option for white horses and white hearse for funerals ... American, I suspect. No, they were on the English site. muse mode I wonder if you can have any other colour padding to protect your lifeless shell? Of course you can. Offcuts of the hall carpet in the clan tartan might be an attractive and thrifty option north of the Antonine Wall. Owain |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:09:04 +0100, Owain wrote: Offcuts of the hall carpet in the clan tartan I hit send too early when replying to Owain. Surely the Scots wouldn't think it necessary to line a coffin? My clan tartan was created in the '70s (not even the 1870s) when someone from Florida (Florida ! I ask you !) His forebears might not have originated there ... but it does make one squirm a little. obtained permission to resurrect the defunct clan. That rather killed any interest in wearing plaid and so my kilt is in the Hunting Gothic (black on black) instead. Good. Is it to match your kitchen? Mary |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:13:13 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: In UK at least I'd question that cemeteries were responsible for disease. There have been some. There was eveb an infamous Plague Pit somewhere in the Pennines that caused a landslip and buried houses ! And? One of the few ways of dying worse than the Boston Molasses Flood. In that case we should ban all cemeteries immediately. I'll vote for whatever party promises to stop soaring death figures by not giving any opportunity for dying. Mary |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:05:46 +0100, "Mike" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Poggenpau did something like that in a magazine advert about twenty years ago. Rumour is sales plummetted. I suppose that was before we had the political correctness of the Advertising Standards Authority. Nowadays one can't even have Roger More posters. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:24:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: There have been some. There was eveb an infamous Plague Pit somewhere in the Pennines that caused a landslip and buried houses ! And? People drowned in a festering slurry of half-decomposed bodies. It was more a soil mechanics problem than a bacteriological problem. Peak District, AFAIR. As a reference to groundwater contamination from cemeteries, I haven't time to look one up. But I recall seasonable problems in both New Orleans and Bermuda (? - somewhere Caribbean) where the cemetery flooded annually and there was an increase in dysenteries, even after the introduction of better sewerage. I'll vote for whatever party promises to stop soaring death figures by not giving any opportunity for dying. Say it a bit louder so Michael Howard can hear it, and he'll get it in the manifesto by Tuesday. |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:39:32 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:40:58 GMT, wrote: The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries. Now this is more debatable. Current thinking in disaster relief is that body disposal _isn't_ as urgent as it used to be thought. One badly sited latrine (or lack of) is more damaging to a watercourse than a lot of dead bodies. I'm not talking about disaster relief "emergency" cemetaries. I am talking about well established long term cemetaries. Graham |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:05:46 +0100, "Mike" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message . .. Do you know why wedding dresses are white, Mary? Well.... I was told that it was to match the other domestic appliances. Poggenpau did something like that in a magazine advert about twenty years ago. Rumour is sales plummetted. I suppose that was before we had the political correctness of the Advertising Standards Authority. Nowadays one can't even have Roger More posters. Who's Roger More and does he wear a wedding dress? Mary -- .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:24:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: There have been some. There was eveb an infamous Plague Pit somewhere in the Pennines that caused a landslip and buried houses ! And? People drowned in a festering slurry of half-decomposed bodies. It was more a soil mechanics problem than a bacteriological problem. Peak District, AFAIR. Ah - so it was some time ago! As a reference to groundwater contamination from cemeteries, I haven't time to look one up. But I recall seasonable problems in both New Orleans and Bermuda (? - somewhere Caribbean) where the cemetery flooded annually and there was an increase in dysenteries, even after the introduction of better sewerage. er - I said British cemeteries. I'll vote for whatever party promises to stop soaring death figures by not giving any opportunity for dying. Say it a bit louder so Michael Howard can hear it, and he'll get it in the manifesto by Tuesday. What would it take to get Our Glorious Leader (he of the orange face) to do that? Wish I'd thought to put it to him face to face this lunchtime ... Mary |
wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:39:32 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:40:58 GMT, wrote: The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries. Now this is more debatable. Current thinking in disaster relief is that body disposal _isn't_ as urgent as it used to be thought. One badly sited latrine (or lack of) is more damaging to a watercourse than a lot of dead bodies. I'm not talking about disaster relief "emergency" cemetaries. I am talking about well established long term cemetaries. Well, give us some examples. Mary Graham |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:13:13 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: I was giong to ask for evidence of "The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/197410.stm http://www.geoscience.org.za/pmsu/urban/cemetery.htm In UK at least I'd question that cemeteries were responsible for disease. "The burial of corpses in cemeteries, and subsequent degradation, can cause pollution of groundwater..." Assessing the Groundwater Pollution Potential of Cemetery Developments National Groundwater & Contaminated Land Center The Environment Agency - UK, 2002 Graham |
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:37:15 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: As a reference to groundwater contamination from cemeteries, I haven't time to look one up. But I recall seasonable problems in both New Orleans and Bermuda (? - somewhere Caribbean) where the cemetery flooded annually and there was an increase in dysenteries, even after the introduction of better sewerage. Not directly relevant - but viruses and bacteria can survive in the body / a grave for a very long time. There is a company in London that specialises in exhumations. They are often called in to clear grave yards that are several hundred years old in order to make way for a new development. One such development is the channel tunnel rail link in London A development may destroy hundreds of old graves. Many of the staff who carry out the exhumations are specifically employed from former soviet block countries where smallpox vaccinations were still common place throughout the 1970s. Some of the companies involved in exhumations require their staff to be vaccinated against smallpox. Graham |
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... Who's Roger Moore and does he wear a wedding dress? And old 007. And I have the vague recollection either he or Tony Curtis ended up in some sort of dress in one of the episodes of the Pretenders(?). |
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writes On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:09:04 +0100, Owain wrote: Offcuts of the hall carpet in the clan tartan My clan tartan was created in the '70s (not even the 1870s) when someone from Florida (Florida ! I ask you !) obtained permission to resurrect the defunct clan. That rather killed any interest in wearing plaid and so my kilt is in the Hunting Gothic (black on black) instead. Rubber ?? (Yes, I do know someone who has a rubber kilt) -- geoff |
"Mike" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... Who's Roger Moore and does he wear a wedding dress? And old 007. And I have the vague recollection either he or Tony Curtis ended up in some sort of dress in one of the episodes of the Pretenders(?). Do you mean Some Like it Hot? With Jack Lennon? And Marilyn Monroe - all wearing frocks. Beautiful film! I didn't type 'Moore' though, if the other poster had spelt it like that I'd have known it was 007. You changed it. Mary |
"raden" wrote in message ... My clan tartan was created in the '70s (not even the 1870s) when someone from Florida (Florida ! I ask you !) obtained permission to resurrect the defunct clan. That rather killed any interest in wearing plaid and so my kilt is in the Hunting Gothic (black on black) instead. Rubber ?? (Yes, I do know someone who has a rubber kilt) I bet it's sweaty. Mary -- geoff |
wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:13:13 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I was giong to ask for evidence of "The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/197410.stm "Studies *from overseas* suggest that chemicals from corpses seep from cemeteries and contaminate nearby water. " And do chemicals cause disease? This item was about an investigtion, no results. http://www.geoscience.org.za/pmsu/urban/cemetery.htm "indiscriminate placing of cemetery sites still continues in both the rural and peri-urban sectors of *South Africa*, where piped domestic water supplies are not yet available." In UK at least I'd question that cemeteries were responsible for disease. "The burial of corpses in cemeteries, and subsequent degradation, *can* cause pollution of groundwater..." That's not the same as "The source of the disease has been decaying remains in poorly located cemetaries" Assessing the Groundwater Pollution Potential of Cemetery Developments National Groundwater & Contaminated Land Center The Environment Agency - UK, 2002 That's an assessment, not proof or even evidence. Hear the one about 45minutes ... ? Mary Graham |
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:06:29 +0100, Pete C wrote: Looks like the Ghanians have a better way: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4215923.stm Those are wonderful ! There is a gallery in the British Museum that has some on display. -- David Clark $message_body_include ="PLES RING IF AN RNSR IS REQIRD" |
In message , Mike
writes "Mary Fisher" wrote in message .net... Who's Roger Moore and does he wear a wedding dress? And old 007. And I have the vague recollection either he or Tony Curtis ended up in some sort of dress in one of the episodes of the Pretenders(?). Kids eh ? ... Simon Templar -- geoff |
In message , Mary
Fisher writes "raden" wrote in message ... My clan tartan was created in the '70s (not even the 1870s) when someone from Florida (Florida ! I ask you !) obtained permission to resurrect the defunct clan. That rather killed any interest in wearing plaid and so my kilt is in the Hunting Gothic (black on black) instead. Rubber ?? (Yes, I do know someone who has a rubber kilt) I bet it's sweaty. No idea, but you might be on to something there The whips prolly give a bit of warmth too ... -- geoff |
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