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Jeff wrote:
Just been over the MIL's and a plumber has just replaced the quarter turn
kitchen mixer tap with an old fashioned traditional mixer because "the
quarter turn ones can't be repaired"

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)



RT

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one a
available from Orca Star

[news] wrote :-

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you
obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


on a tuesday morning, because its dripping ?
If i'd have known i'd have stripped and cleaned it before writing it off

Regards Jeff

Jeff wrote:
[news] wrote :-

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


on a tuesday morning,

sorry, I thought you said "Just been over the MIL's and a plumber has just"




RT

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alex"
wrote:

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one a
available from Orca Star

He could have a whale of a time with that....



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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alex"
wrote:

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a
new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one
a
available from Orca Star

He could have a whale of a time with that....

In sparkling form tonight, andy!



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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:38:34 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alex"
wrote:

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a
new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one
a
available from Orca Star

He could have a whale of a time with that....

In sparkling form tonight, andy!


Always, Mary. Always.

Welcome back.



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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alex"
wrote:

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a
new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one
a
available from Orca Star

He could have a whale of a time with that....



Did you post that on porpoise?


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RichardS wrote:

He could have a whale of a time with that....

Did you post that on porpoise?

Now that gets my seal of approval...

(thought it was bril!)

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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[news] wrote :-

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you
obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you
have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


on a tuesday morning, because its dripping ?
If i'd have known i'd have stripped and cleaned it before writing it
off


....and then charged her twice as much as a new tap and the fitting
would have cost, time has to be charged, your obviously work for
free....

Why do you think the art of brake shoe re-lining (for example) went
out of favour in the non commercial automotive repair trade, it's not
because mechanics are unable to do the work but because it would cost
the customer more than just fitting a nice new set.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
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RichardS wrote:

He could have a whale of a time with that....

Did you post that on porpoise?

Now that gets my seal of approval...


Most Plumbers are nothing but sharks...

RichardS wrote:

He could have a whale of a time with that....

Did you post that on porpoise?

Now that gets my seal of approval...


Most Plumbers are nothing but sharks...


But is it your plaice to say so?

RichardS wrote:

He could have a whale of a time with that....

Did you post that on porpoise?

Now that gets my seal of approval...


Most Plumbers are nothing but sharks...


But is it your plaice to say so?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Welcome back.

Why, thank you kind sir.

I missed you all but we had a marvellous time!

Mary

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alex"
wrote:

Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a
new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one
a
available from Orca Star

He could have a whale of a time with that....

Reading the other puns following this I realised that others read 'whale' as
the sea mammal.

I read it as the Whale brand name of caravan plumbing and couldn't think of
anything clever which is why I played on the billiance of your star-like
properties.

Well, it was very late ...

Mary


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In article . com,
wrote:
He could have a whale of a time with that....

Did you post that on porpoise?

Now that gets my seal of approval...


Most Plumbers are nothing but sharks...


But is it your plaice to say so?

What the hake are you guys on about?

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:05:34 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

Why do you think the art of brake shoe re-lining (for example) went
out of favour in the non commercial automotive repair trade,

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear drums?

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:05:34 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

Why do you think the art of brake shoe re-lining (for example) went
out of favour in the non commercial automotive repair trade,

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear drums?

I haven't done it for many years. Nor have I neded to have a crankshaft
ground or cylinders re-bored or fit new rings - or even plugs.

In fact there's very little to do with modern (i.e. up to 15 yo in my
experience) cars.They've taken all the fun out of it!

Mary

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:05:34 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

Why do you think the art of brake shoe re-lining (for example) went
out of favour in the non commercial automotive repair trade,

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear drums?


But re-lining went out about 30 years ago....

In article ,
Andy Dingley wrote:
Why do you think the art of brake shoe re-lining (for example) went
out of favour in the non commercial automotive repair trade,

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear drums?

About every three sets of front pads on my SDI Rover. If it's the sort of
car - BMW, etc, that uses handbrake shoes inside the rear disk, then never
- provided you only apply the brake when stationary. Not that it's much
good on the move. ;-)

It was certainly worth fitting linings to my S1 Bentley many years ago -
less than a quarter of the price of shoes. However, most are bonded
these days, so not as practical for DIY as rivets.

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:08:12 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear drums?

But re-lining went out about 30 years ago....

About the same time that front disk brakes had saturated the market.

For years you could still get drum shoes re-lined by going to a Landie
or van garage. Now even they aren't tooled up to do it - the final
death knell for re-lining on site was asbestos legislation.

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:08:12 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

Disk brakes. How often do you need to change shoes in rear
drums?

But re-lining went out about 30 years ago....

About the same time that front disk brakes had saturated the market.

And rear wheel drive was still more common than FWD, this meant that
rear brake shoes wore out as most brake systems didn't use any form on
limiting device on the rear hydraulics. Stop arguing about something
you are obviously totally clueless about !


For years you could still get drum shoes re-lined by going to a
Landie
or van garage. Now even they aren't tooled up to do it - the final
death knell for re-lining on site was asbestos legislation.


Total bollox, asbestos has been removed from brake shoes / pads for
almost as long as linings haven't been fitted by most main stream
garages.

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:20:50 +0000, [news] wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Just been over the MIL's and a plumber has just replaced the quarter turn
kitchen mixer tap with an old fashioned traditional mixer because "the
quarter turn ones can't be repaired"

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


In general except for the top of the range manufacturers (who charge top
of the range prices) trying to obtain spares for quarter turn taps is very
difficult if not impossible. Even spares for supposedly quality makes
(Like Hans Grohe are not obtainable). Whilst quarter turn taps can, and
often do, last many years should they start to leak then replacement may
be the only option.


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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:27:23 +0100, Jeff wrote:


[news] wrote :-

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you
obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


on a tuesday morning, because its dripping ?
If i'd have known i'd have stripped and cleaned it before writing it off

Which _might_ have worked but probably wouldn't have - BTDTGTTS.

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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:18:52 +0000, Alex wrote:


Quarter turn taps can be repaired but you do need to know the make for a new
cartridge ,plumbase carry then in stock normally.There is a universal one a
available from Orca Star


As used by Dolphin bathrooms? I may be wrong but there is not standard
replacement parts like there is for washered taps.


I used to have a cheapie deck mixer (£45 ish IIRC from Homebase (sorry))
which started leaking. Cleaning them worked for a short while, but they
started leaking again.

Got some replacements from my local Graham's. Don't know if they were
the universal ones mentioned by Alex above, but they had a box-full
under the counter. I was told they're all the same size, but you had to
take a chance on the splines.....

I took the chance and the handles fitted better than on the originals!

Alan

Jeff wrote:
Just been over the MIL's and a plumber has just replaced the quarter turn
kitchen mixer tap with an old fashioned traditional mixer because "the
quarter turn ones can't be repaired"

On another topic - has anyone invented a tap that will not stop working,
or need repairs in (say) 50 years in a hard water area?

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:20:50 +0000, [news] wrote:


Jeff wrote:

Just been over the MIL's and a plumber has just replaced the quarter turn
kitchen mixer tap with an old fashioned traditional mixer because "the
quarter turn ones can't be repaired"

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)



In general except for the top of the range manufacturers (who charge top
of the range prices) trying to obtain spares for quarter turn taps is very
difficult if not impossible. Even spares for supposedly quality makes
(Like Hans Grohe are not obtainable). Whilst quarter turn taps can, and
often do, last many years should they start to leak then replacement may
be the only option.

Custom spares perhaps, but most taps have the industry standard size
glands so it's then a matter of finding glands with the right size
splined shaft (and handedness) and/or suitable handles. I usually carry
replacement glands from B&Q (a pair of same-way-turning ones with
white rubber seals and a handed pair with red and blue seals, the pairs
having different sizes of splined shaft), a pair of tap revivers with
handles and a pair of cheapo 1/4 turn basin taps (from SFX/TS). Nice
thing is you can replace conventional compression glands with 1/4 turn
(as long as the tap seats are OK) and vice-versa (should the need arise)
and do specials such as a deck mixer with cross head handles but 1/4 turn.

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:27:23 +0100, Jeff wrote:


[news] wrote :-

unknown make/model, on a friday night ? he's right you know. you
obviously
know better so why don't you be a good SiL and pop back whan you have
the parts and sort it out ;-)


on a tuesday morning, because its dripping ?
If i'd have known i'd have stripped and cleaned it before writing it off

Which _might_ have worked but probably wouldn't have - BTDTGTTS.

BTDTGTTS = ?

Regards Jeff

Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt


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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

note to self

Remember that!

But bet I don't! I forgot to add forgetfulness as part of the ageing
process.

Mary




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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

LOL , too many MLA's IMHO

Regards Jeff

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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

LOL , too many MLA's

?

Mary

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:24:18 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

note to self

Remember that!

But bet I don't! I forgot to add forgetfulness as part of the ageing
process.

Mary



It's called a "Senior Moment"

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

LOL , too many MLA's

?

Laugh Out Loud, too many Multi Letter Acronyms

this is i suppose the modern equivlent of what servicemen used to write on
the back of envelopes during the war, so my grandfather told me ;-)

i.e SWALK and NORWICH etc

Regards Jeff

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Remember that!

But bet I don't! I forgot to add forgetfulness as part of the ageing
process.

Mary



It's called a "Senior Moment"

I've also heard it called a blonde moment.

And a Man Thing ...

I'm not a senior yet, nor blonde, nor male so I'll stick with blaming it on
ageing.

Mary

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:57:03 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

LOL , too many MLA's

?

Mary


TLA - Three Letter Acronym
MLA - Multi Letter Acronym

Ah, thank you.

I'll try to remembe ... er ... I think I've already said that.

OK, I'll start a new list of Things To Remember in - um - I know I started
one somewhere ...

Mary

"Jeff" wrote in message
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BTDTGTTS = ?

Been There, Done That, Got The Tee Shirt

LOL , too many MLA's

?

Laugh Out Loud,

Know that. And others.

too many Multi Letter Acronyms

Didn't know that.

this is i suppose the modern equivlent of what servicemen used to write on
the back of envelopes during the war, so my grandfather told me ;-)

i.e SWALK and NORWICH etc

We still did it in the fifties. There are many others but computer acronyms
seem to be restricted to e-mail. It's an interesting development.

Mary

Regards Jeff

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:17:13 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

(oh, can I be fecking bothered....)

And rear wheel drive was still more common than FWD, this meant that
rear brake shoes wore out

So RWD puts more braking force on the rear than FWD ?

as most brake systems didn't use any form on
limiting device on the rear hydraulics.

Braking force depends on the cylinder size and rear cylinders have
commonly been smaller than front cylinders since back in the '50s. If
you did have equal braking balance you'd spin as the back end locked
up.

Secondly, hydraulic limiting has been common since the early '60s.
Minis had a fixed sprung-piston balance valve limiting pressure to the
rear axle. My Fiat 124 (a '64 design) went a step further and had a
similar valve controlled by the back axle position - as weight shifted
forward and the rear axle went light, it reduced rear braking force to
avoid locking the wheels up.


Total bollox, asbestos has been removed from brake shoes / pads for
almost as long as linings haven't been fitted by most main stream
garages.

So what ? The regulations are there because they're there, not
because asbestos is necessarily there. Besides which, the likelihood
of encountering asbestos in the old shoes remained appreciable for a
very long time after new pads had ditched asbestos. Even today there
are still people driving Beetles with asbestos shoes in them.

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:17:13 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:

(oh, can I be fecking bothered....)

snip totally ignorant clap-trap

You might be bothered but you still know **** all about it...

Just how many years did you say you have been in the automotive trade
/ industry ?....

And just for your information the Mini is and always has been FWD !