On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:
On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be less
likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more likely to be
effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?

David
Ding!

And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would be difficult to obtain.

It is not hard to get photo ID.

And it SHOULD be a requirement to vote.

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:
On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be less
likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more likely to be
effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?

David
Ding!

And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would be difficult to obtain.

On 4/9/2014 2:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:
On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be less
likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more likely to be
effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?

David
Ding!

And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would be difficult to obtain.


Photo ID is easily and readily available to all, except those who are
"invisible"...

On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:
On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be
less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more
likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?

David
Ding!

And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against
a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would
be difficult to obtain.

It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is
the motivation to do so.

Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things
that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be
able to prove who we are? Hermits?

Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you
think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy
that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?

Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does
require a minimal level of competence, after all.

David

On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:20:10 -0600, tag-along wrote:

On 4/9/2014 2:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:
On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be less
likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more likely to be
effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?

David
Ding!

And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would be difficult to obtain.


Photo ID is easily and readily available to all,

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/04...state-id-cost/
Cheap, too.
Most expensive: $29 here in Oregon.
Least expensive: $3 in Florida.


except those who are "invisible"...

And "invisible" people don't vote, nor should illegal aliens vote.
So what's the problem?

As long as people scream "racism", it will continue to thrive here.
Let that go and it will disappear.

Could someone please arrange a closed, 1-minute meeting between the 3
top leaders of the Aryan Nation (white bigots) and the Revs. Wright,
Farrakhan, and Jackson (black bigots), perhaps in the middle of the
Everglades in FL? Thank you. Problem solved at the cost transpo.

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:

On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:



Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be

less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more

likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?



David

Ding!



And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against

a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would

be difficult to obtain.



It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is

the motivation to do so.



Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things

that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be

able to prove who we are? Hermits?



Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you

think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy

that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?



Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does

require a minimal level of competence, after all.



David

From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a 50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't know what is.

On 4/10/2014 8:53 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:

On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:



Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be

less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more

likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?



David

Ding!



And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against

a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would

be difficult to obtain.



It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is

the motivation to do so.



Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things

that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be

able to prove who we are? Hermits?



Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you

think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy

that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?



Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does

require a minimal level of competence, after all.



David

From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a 50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't know what is.


How do they cash checks? Get library books? And, the hundreds of
things that need a picture ID? It's a very weak argument that even the
left doesn't really believe. I know, I've asked every leftie I know and
they admit it.

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:09:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/10/2014 8:53 AM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:

On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:



On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:



On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:







Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be



less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more



likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?







David



Ding!







And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against



a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would



be difficult to obtain.







It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is



the motivation to do so.







Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things



that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be



able to prove who we are? Hermits?







Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you



think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy



that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?







Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does



require a minimal level of competence, after all.







David



From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a 50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't know what is.





How do they cash checks? Get library books? And, the hundreds of

things that need a picture ID? It's a very weak argument that even the

left doesn't really believe. I know, I've asked every leftie I know and

they admit it.

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades. I don't have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks. The bank personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank, they go to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo ID). Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for anything? For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted for (yet another) security clearance - not something your average grandma is about to do.

On 4/10/2014 11:22 AM, rangerssuck wrote:

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades.
I don't have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks.
The bank personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank,
they go to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a
ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo
ID).

Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for
anything?
For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted for (yet
another)
security clearance - not something your average grandma is about to do.

Photo ID required:

To open a checking account.
To get a library card
to cash a check - even at the rip-offs.
To buy anything with a credit or debit card.
To get a drivers license - can use birth certificate (non-photo id!)
Have to have it to drive a car
To get a job
To rent an apartment
To get health care
Be admitted to a hospital
Pick up a prescription
or certain cold or allergy medicines
Or buy insurance
Buy cigarettes
To buy liquor or beer!
Legally purchase firearms
Get a marriage license
When questioned by police - for ANYthing.
Apply for Social Security
Apply for food stamps
Apply for Welfare
Apply for unemployment insurance
Buy a cell phone
Purchase nail polish at CVS


But not to vote?

I mean seriously, what's the problem here?

On 4/10/2014 2:50 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

Richard -

I'm talking about people who may have lived in the same house for 50+ years
and already have a checking account, library card and social security. I
don't
know where you live, but I've never had a doctor, nurse, pharmacy,
hospital,
liquor store or phone company ask me for photo ID. If a store is asking
you for
ID to use a credit or debit card, they are very likely in violation of the
Mastercard / Visa / Amex /Discover agreements.

Seriously, if a government issued photo ID were required around here, there would
be many people who simply would not be able to get one, and to deny
someone's vote
because they don't drive is absurd.


Ok, I see your point.

But have these people, who have lived in the same house for 50 years,
not have drivers licenses?

You see, to my mind, the other side of this coin is rampant voter fraud.
And that's too dangerous to allow.

Just my humble opinion. I could be wrong...

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:56:22 PM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
On 4/10/2014 11:22 AM, rangerssuck wrote:



They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades.

I don't have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks.

The bank personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank,

they go to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a

ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo

ID).



Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for

anything?

For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted for (yet

another)

security clearance - not something your average grandma is about to do.



Photo ID required:



To open a checking account.

To get a library card

to cash a check - even at the rip-offs.

To buy anything with a credit or debit card.

To get a drivers license - can use birth certificate (non-photo id!)

Have to have it to drive a car

To get a job

To rent an apartment

To get health care

Be admitted to a hospital

Pick up a prescription

or certain cold or allergy medicines

Or buy insurance

Buy cigarettes

To buy liquor or beer!

Legally purchase firearms

Get a marriage license

When questioned by police - for ANYthing.

Apply for Social Security

Apply for food stamps

Apply for Welfare

Apply for unemployment insurance

Buy a cell phone

Purchase nail polish at CVS





But not to vote?



I mean seriously, what's the problem here?

Richard -

I'm talking about people who may have lived in the same house for 50+ years and already have a checking account, library card and social security. I don't know where you live, but I've never had a doctor, nurse, pharmacy, hospital, liquor store or phone company ask me for photo ID. If a store is asking you for ID to use a credit or debit card, they are very likely in violation of the Mastercard / Visa / Amex /Discover agreements.

Seriously, if a government issued photo ID were required around here, there would be many people who simply would not be able to get one, and to deny someone's vote because they don't drive is absurd.

On 4/10/2014 7:53 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:

On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:



Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this
would be less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote
would be more likely to be effected? Maybe the party
opposing voter ID?



David

Ding!



And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating
against a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for
whom it would be difficult to obtain.



It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really
requires is the motivation to do so.



Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor
things that we do in the normal course of our lives that require
that we be able to prove who we are? Hermits?



Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting?
Do you think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be
so easy that it doesn't even require a minimal level of
competence?



Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does
require a minimal level of competence, after all.



David

From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State
Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a
50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you
may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many
people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who
simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't
know what is.

Yes, it is discriminating in favor of those who want to vote and against
those who see only obstacles instead of challenges to overcome.

David

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:56:22 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 11:22 AM, rangerssuck wrote:

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades.
I don't have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks.
The bank personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank,
they go to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a
ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo
ID).

Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for
anything?
For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted for (yet
another)
security clearance - not something your average grandma is about to do.

Photo ID required:

To open a checking account.
To get a library card
to cash a check - even at the rip-offs.
To buy anything with a credit or debit card.
To get a drivers license - can use birth certificate (non-photo id!)
Have to have it to drive a car
To get a job
To rent an apartment
To get health care
Be admitted to a hospital
Pick up a prescription
or certain cold or allergy medicines
Or buy insurance
Buy cigarettes
To buy liquor or beer!
Legally purchase firearms
Get a marriage license
When questioned by police - for ANYthing.
Apply for Social Security
Apply for food stamps
Apply for Welfare
Apply for unemployment insurance
Buy a cell phone
Purchase nail polish at CVS


But not to vote?

I mean seriously, what's the problem here?

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:22:51 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 2:50 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

Richard -

I'm talking about people who may have lived in the same house for 50+ years
and already have a checking account, library card and social security. I
don't
know where you live, but I've never had a doctor, nurse, pharmacy,
hospital,
liquor store or phone company ask me for photo ID. If a store is asking
you for
ID to use a credit or debit card, they are very likely in violation of the
Mastercard / Visa / Amex /Discover agreements.

Seriously, if a government issued photo ID were required around here, there would
be many people who simply would not be able to get one, and to deny
someone's vote
because they don't drive is absurd.


Ok, I see your point.

But have these people, who have lived in the same house for 50 years,
not have drivers licenses?

You see, to my mind, the other side of this coin is rampant voter fraud.
And that's too dangerous to allow.

Just my humble opinion. I could be wrong...

The answer, of course, is either a National ID card or a National
Voter Registration Card with photo, or maybe a Social Security Card
with photo.

The argument that "it takes time to go and get one" is ludicrous, at
best. After all, one has to leave the house to do most everything -
shop for groceries, get a driver's license, register for the draft,
register for Social Security, vote, see the doctor, buy a car, visit
your girl friend....
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:09:49 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:53 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:

On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:



Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be

less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more

likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?



David

Ding!



And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against

a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would

be difficult to obtain.



It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is

the motivation to do so.



Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things

that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be

able to prove who we are? Hermits?



Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you

think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy

that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?



Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does

require a minimal level of competence, after all.



David

From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a 50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't know what is.

You don't have to vote. But all of us who vote, drive, go to school,
get a bank account, or go for passports -do- need ID, and most of
these have always been that way. What the hell is discriminatory
about it? Buy a clue, moron. It's just another talk...erm, WHINING
POINT the Democraps have.

I just saw a preview for a new movie: 12 Years A Slave. I immediately
thought "What the HELL did they make that movie for, just to prolong
racism and increase racial strife? You'd probably like it, Suck A
Ranger.


How do they cash checks? Get library books? And, the hundreds of
things that need a picture ID? It's a very weak argument that even the
left doesn't really believe. I know, I've asked every leftie I know and
they admit it.

This just in: Free ID
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...ust-for-voting
Now the libmorons can get ID and stop screaming "racism". Fug...

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.

On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).

On 4/10/2014 12:22 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:09:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/10/2014 8:53 AM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:02:51 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:

On 4/9/2014 3:40 PM, rangerssuck wrote:



On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:32:40 PM UTC-4, tag-along wrote:



On 4/8/2014 9:36 PM, David R. Birch wrote:







Of course, if we required a photo ID at the polls, this would be



less likely to happen. I wonder whose party's vote would be more



likely to be effected? Maybe the party opposing voter ID?







David



Ding!







And if photo ID was required to vote, you'd be discriminating against



a large group of people who don't have photo ID and for whom it would



be difficult to obtain.







It isn't hard to get a qualifying photo ID and all it really requires is



the motivation to do so.







Who is this large group of people who don't do any of the minor things



that we do in the normal course of our lives that require that we be



able to prove who we are? Hermits?







Do you think someone operating at that level cares about voting? Do you



think assuming the responsibilities of citizenship should be so easy



that it doesn't even require a minimal level of competence?







Come to think of it, you probably haven't got a photo ID. It does



require a minimal level of competence, after all.







David



From my house in suburban New York (I can see the Empire State Building from a block and a half away), it's a two-mile walk and a 50 minute bus ride to the nearest motor vehicles office, where you may have a 3-4 hour wait (3.5 hrs last time I went). There are many people who are otherwise quite capable and certainly interested who simply cannot make that trip. If that is not discriminatory, I don't know what is.





How do they cash checks? Get library books? And, the hundreds of

things that need a picture ID? It's a very weak argument that even the

left doesn't really believe. I know, I've asked every leftie I know and

they admit it.

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades. I don't have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks. The bank personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank, they go to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo ID). Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for anything? For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted for (yet another) security clearance - not something your average grandma is about to do.


Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
....get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/10/2014 12:22 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
snip

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades. I don't
have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks. The bank
personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank, they go
to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a
ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo
ID). Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for
anything? For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted
for (yet another) security clearance - not something your average grandma
is about to do.


Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone without
a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant voter fraud.
But, you know that.

You are right, they are ****, **** needs liars and frauds. **** votes for
**** and it helps the party of ****, AKA today's liberal Democrats. The
more **** people they get, the more votes they get. Also this raises the
crime rate but they blame others, again, because they are ****.

RogerN

On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?

On 4/11/2014 6:31 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/10/2014 12:22 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
snip

They cash checks at a bank they've been going to for decades. I don't
have to show ANY ID, photo or otherwise when I cash checks. The bank
personnel know me. If they don't have an account at such a bank, they go
to a "payday lender" or "check cashing store" that charges them a
ridiculous fee. They get library books with a library card (not a photo
ID). Seriously, Tom, when's the last time you had to show a photo ID for
anything? For me, it was about six months ago when I was fingerprinted
for (yet another) security clearance - not something your average grandma
is about to do.


Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone without
a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant voter fraud.
But, you know that.

You are right, they are ****, **** needs liars and frauds. **** votes for
**** and it helps the party of ****, AKA today's liberal Democrats. The
more **** people they get, the more votes they get. Also this raises the
crime rate but they blame others, again, because they are ****.

RogerN




You mean the "Gimmedats"?

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:30:30 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


the guy with the $10 of course :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/12/2014 7:31 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:30:30 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years. Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


the guy with the $10 of course :-)


WE HAVE A WINNER!

On 4/11/2014 11:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".

Google.

There are no metal gas cans for sale in Texas anymore for the same
reason. They were used to make drugs, so now they are not available any
more.

On 4/11/2014 11:38 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!


Yeah, but it cost you your soul.

Eric,

While I appreciate the time and effort you took to send me a personal
note explaining in great detail why having a personal photo ID is
not necessary,
not practical
not necessary
etc.

I must reply that I do not agree.

For what it's worth.

http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/el...oter-fraud.htm

On 4/12/2014 10:44 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Clean the slates in all new primaries and full elections, guys. New,
(hopefully less-corrupt) politicians -might- be able to make a bit of
headway and bring a taste of sanity for a while.


I think you are dreaming, Larry.

Power Corrupts...

On 4/12/2014 11:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:08:14 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 11:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".

Google.

There are no metal gas cans for sale in Texas anymore for the same
reason. They were used to make drugs, so now they are not available any
more.

And since I now read in the paper that your school kids are slicing
and hacking their mates I can only assume that knives will be next on
the agenda. Or maybe knife wieldiers will need to be licensed.

And every time the kill someone who raped and strangled a 90 year old
grandmother and stole her social security check a bunch of people
gather outside the prison and burn candles....


There are a bunch of well-meaning very confused people everywhere on
earth, John.
Even where you live.
Betcha.

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:38:47 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!

Newp. Just for the illegals. Our ****heads in Salem just passed a
law for them. http://tinyurl.com/nmg5e2a Known illegals are not only
being allowed to stay in the country, they're getting lowered rates
for going to college, probably funded by other social programs they
qualify for, despite being KNOWN ILLEGALS. I just don't get it.

Clean the slates in all new primaries and full elections, guys. New,
(hopefully less-corrupt) politicians -might- be able to make a bit of
headway and bring a taste of sanity for a while. If not, (Well, it's
probably illegal to make the statement I want here.)

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:08:14 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 11:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".

Google.

There are no metal gas cans for sale in Texas anymore for the same
reason. They were used to make drugs, so now they are not available any
more.

And since I now read in the paper that your school kids are slicing
and hacking their mates I can only assume that knives will be next on
the agenda. Or maybe knife wieldiers will need to be licensed.

And every time the kill someone who raped and strangled a 90 year old
grandmother and stole her social security check a bunch of people
gather outside the prison and burn candles....

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:29:39 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/12/2014 11:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:08:14 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 11:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".

Google.

There are no metal gas cans for sale in Texas anymore for the same
reason. They were used to make drugs, so now they are not available any
more.

And since I now read in the paper that your school kids are slicing
and hacking their mates I can only assume that knives will be next on
the agenda. Or maybe knife wieldiers will need to be licensed.

And every time the kill someone who raped and strangled a 90 year old
grandmother and stole her social security check a bunch of people
gather outside the prison and burn candles....


There are a bunch of well-meaning very confused people everywhere on
earth, John.
Even where you live.
Betcha.

No, most of the people here are not confused at all. You can generally
assume that greed will be the underlying emotion.

It is easier to get along with greedy folks, you know just what they
want. It is the doo-gooders that are hard to figure out.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Remember a "Lib" sponsored the bill that allowed switch blade to be A OK
not a crime when having one in your pocket or hand.

Martin

On 4/12/2014 11:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:08:14 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 11:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:38:33 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 6:14 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:05:22 -0500,
wrote:

On 4/10/2014 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:

"nail polish at CVS"? Truly?

Strange new world, huh...

And yet another reason that I live "overseas".

Now I'll probably have a time getting to sleep wondering what people
do with fingernail polish.... other then paint their fingernails, that
is. :-)


make drugs.

You aren't serious? What part of the nail polish makes drugs? I read
that it is usually just nitrocellulose dissolved in a solvent like
ethyl or butyl acetate, sort of like model airplane "paint".

Google.

There are no metal gas cans for sale in Texas anymore for the same
reason. They were used to make drugs, so now they are not available any
more.

And since I now read in the paper that your school kids are slicing
and hacking their mates I can only assume that knives will be next on
the agenda. Or maybe knife wieldiers will need to be licensed.

And every time the kill someone who raped and strangled a 90 year old
grandmother and stole her social security check a bunch of people
gather outside the prison and burn candles....

On 4/12/2014 11:44 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:38:47 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!

Newp. Just for the illegals. Our ****heads in Salem just passed a
law for them. http://tinyurl.com/nmg5e2a Known illegals are not only
being allowed to stay in the country, they're getting lowered rates
for going to college, probably funded by other social programs they
qualify for, despite being KNOWN ILLEGALS. I just don't get it.

Clean the slates in all new primaries and full elections, guys. New,
(hopefully less-corrupt) politicians -might- be able to make a bit of
headway and bring a taste of sanity for a while. If not, (Well, it's
probably illegal to make the statement I want here.)

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt



Pick 532 names out of a phone book...THAT'S our gobermint for the next 2
years with term limits!

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:01:56 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/12/2014 11:44 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:38:47 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!

Newp. Just for the illegals. Our ****heads in Salem just passed a
law for them. http://tinyurl.com/nmg5e2a Known illegals are not only
being allowed to stay in the country, they're getting lowered rates
for going to college, probably funded by other social programs they
qualify for, despite being KNOWN ILLEGALS. I just don't get it.

Clean the slates in all new primaries and full elections, guys. New,
(hopefully less-corrupt) politicians -might- be able to make a bit of
headway and bring a taste of sanity for a while. If not, (Well, it's
probably illegal to make the statement I want here.)

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt



Pick 532 names out of a phone book...THAT'S our gobermint for the next 2
years with term limits!

Or pick them off the street, including the homeless. Hell, I'd bet a
lot of winos would do better in CONgress than the sitting ****s we
have there now...

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:38:15 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:01:56 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/12/2014 11:44 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:38:47 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/11/2014 4:41 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:30 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:33 PM, Richard wrote:
On 4/11/2014 4:13 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Every time I go to Kaiser HMO and they have known me for 20 years.
Every
time I go to the bank that has known me for 30+ years.
...get on a plane...rent a car...pick up prescriptions...vote.

I have to use a photo ID at least weekly. Like I said, a very weak
argument that I doubt that you even believe, yet alone know anyone
without a photo ID. Yet lack of a photo ID opens the door to rampant
voter fraud. But, you know that.

Actually there are some 30 or 40 million people in this country that
don't have photo ID. They are called "illegal aliens".

They'd vote in a heart beat - for $10.


And, just who do you think they would vote for?


Whoever offered them "amnesty" (and a free lunch).


Soooo, there IS such a thing as a free lunch...just not for you or me!

Newp. Just for the illegals. Our ****heads in Salem just passed a
law for them. http://tinyurl.com/nmg5e2a Known illegals are not only
being allowed to stay in the country, they're getting lowered rates
for going to college, probably funded by other social programs they
qualify for, despite being KNOWN ILLEGALS. I just don't get it.

Clean the slates in all new primaries and full elections, guys. New,
(hopefully less-corrupt) politicians -might- be able to make a bit of
headway and bring a taste of sanity for a while. If not, (Well, it's
probably illegal to make the statement I want here.)

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt



Pick 532 names out of a phone book...THAT'S our gobermint for the next 2
years with term limits!

Or pick them off the street, including the homeless. Hell, I'd bet a
lot of winos would do better in CONgress than the sitting ****s we
have there now...


Well, you elect them :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.