https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-UuHUZJpBs

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:51:23 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

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On the way to work this morning Dr. J Vernon McGhee was teaching on Isaiah
in the 5 year through the Bible program. Sounded like he was talking
about
today and what is going on in the world. Couldn't be though, he died in
1988. Seems odd a radio Bible teaching program still airs daily after the
man has been dead for 25 years.

http://www.ttb.org/listen.aspx?parentnavigationid=21777

RogerN


Not any odder than people listening to a bloke that died some 2,000
years ago :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Perhaps they wouldn't if he hadn't raised from the dead on Sunday. Many
unbelievers and skeptics simply examined the evidence for the resurrection
and became believers. It's not uncommon for people to die for what they
believe in, but Jesus' followers died because they seen him alive after
being crucified. It's doubtful that all would have held to a known lie if
it would cost their life.

That's not all, the Old Testament is like a mosaic with pieces here and
there that paint a picture of the messiah, including the Jews rejecting him
and then knowing him when he returns. In Psalms the death by crucifixion is
described hundreds of years before they used that as a death penalty. There
are so many reasons to believe that some desperate atheists have resorted to
the claim that he never existed, claiming he was never written about except
in the books and writings that he was written about in!

A moral God doesn't appeal to people that want to enjoy their immorality, so
they are biased, hoping and believing he doesn't exist. Who can reconcile
immoral people with a Holy God? Jesus!

RogerN

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:29:32 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:51:23 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

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On the way to work this morning Dr. J Vernon McGhee was teaching on Isaiah
in the 5 year through the Bible program. Sounded like he was talking
about
today and what is going on in the world. Couldn't be though, he died in
1988. Seems odd a radio Bible teaching program still airs daily after the
man has been dead for 25 years.

http://www.ttb.org/listen.aspx?parentnavigationid=21777

RogerN


Not any odder than people listening to a bloke that died some 2,000
years ago :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Perhaps they wouldn't if he hadn't raised from the dead on Sunday. Many
unbelievers and skeptics simply examined the evidence for the resurrection
and became believers. It's not uncommon for people to die for what they
believe in, but Jesus' followers died because they seen him alive after
being crucified. It's doubtful that all would have held to a known lie if
it would cost their life.

That's not all, the Old Testament is like a mosaic with pieces here and
there that paint a picture of the messiah, including the Jews rejecting him
and then knowing him when he returns. In Psalms the death by crucifixion is
described hundreds of years before they used that as a death penalty. There
are so many reasons to believe that some desperate atheists have resorted to
the claim that he never existed, claiming he was never written about except
in the books and writings that he was written about in!

A moral God doesn't appeal to people that want to enjoy their immorality, so
they are biased, hoping and believing he doesn't exist. Who can reconcile
immoral people with a Holy God? Jesus!

RogerN


Of course you are reading a book that was assembled out of bits and
pieces taken from here and there, and translated, probably at least
four times, and that doesn't agree between the several versions
currently in common use.
--
Cheers,

John B.

"John B." wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:29:32 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:
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A moral God doesn't appeal to people that want to enjoy their immorality,
so
they are biased, hoping and believing he doesn't exist. Who can reconcile
immoral people with a Holy God? Jesus!

RogerN


Of course you are reading a book that was assembled out of bits and
pieces taken from here and there, and translated, probably at least
four times, and that doesn't agree between the several versions
currently in common use.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Some used to claim that Isaiah was written by 2 or 3 "Isaiah's" but then the
entire book was found in the dead sea scrolls that dated before the time the
other Isaiah's wrote it per the claims. Here's some other instances of
critics being wrong about the claims in the Bible:

"For 1000 years, skeptics pointed to the Old Testament references to Assyria
and its capital, Ninevah. They claimed such places never existed. Assyria
was written off as a "mythical empire." The reason for this conclusion was
that no secular references to Assyria and Ninevah had ever been found. Then,
in 1840 a British explorer by the name of Henry Layard had the temerity to
discover evidence of the existence of Assyria, and soon after, another
Englishman proceeded to dig up the city of Nineveh.

By 1800 skeptics were pointing to the New Testament references to the towns
of Capernaum, Chorazin, and Bethsaida as proof positive that the Bible is
full of myth, legend and superstition. "No such towns ever existed," they
claimed. Today, thanks to archeology, you can visit these places.

The skeptics then turned their attention to the Hittites, a nation the Bible
mentions 40 times. They were classified an "imaginary" people who existed
only in the pages of the Old Testament. But then, in 1905 archeologists
uncovered the city of Boghas-Keui in central Turkey which proved to be the
former capital city of this "bogus" empire."

In the Bible, the Jews didn't make themselves the Heroes, they wrote that
they were taken as slaves by the Egyptians. Why would they write such
things unless they actually happened? I mean if someone picked a fight with
you and you kicked their butt, would you lie and say they kicked your butt?
Or if you were going to fabricate a story, are you going to make up a story
that makes you look bad?

RogerN

On 3/29/2014 4:29 AM, RogerN wrote:
"John B." wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:51:23 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

snip

On the way to work this morning Dr. J Vernon McGhee was teaching on Isaiah
in the 5 year through the Bible program. Sounded like he was talking
about
today and what is going on in the world. Couldn't be though, he died in
1988. Seems odd a radio Bible teaching program still airs daily after the
man has been dead for 25 years.

http://www.ttb.org/listen.aspx?parentnavigationid=21777

RogerN


Not any odder than people listening to a bloke that died some 2,000
years ago :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Perhaps they wouldn't if he hadn't raised from the dead on Sunday. Many
unbelievers and skeptics simply examined the evidence for the resurrection
and became believers. It's not uncommon for people to die for what they
believe in, but Jesus' followers died because they seen him alive after
being crucified. It's doubtful that all would have held to a known lie if
it would cost their life.

That's not all, the Old Testament is like a mosaic with pieces here and
there that paint a picture of the messiah, including the Jews rejecting him
and then knowing him when he returns. In Psalms the death by crucifixion is
described hundreds of years before they used that as a death penalty. There
are so many reasons to believe that some desperate atheists have resorted to
the claim that he never existed, claiming he was never written about except
in the books and writings that he was written about in!

A moral God doesn't appeal to people that want to enjoy their immorality, so
they are biased, hoping and believing he doesn't exist. Who can reconcile
immoral people with a Holy God? Jesus!

RogerN




Not one of the bits and pieces says it's OK to beat your wife!

So stop beating your wife, stop drinking and learn how run a business you fat slob:

http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02534.JPG

http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:00:42 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:29:32 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:
snip

A moral God doesn't appeal to people that want to enjoy their immorality,
so
they are biased, hoping and believing he doesn't exist. Who can reconcile
immoral people with a Holy God? Jesus!

RogerN


Of course you are reading a book that was assembled out of bits and
pieces taken from here and there, and translated, probably at least
four times, and that doesn't agree between the several versions
currently in common use.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Some used to claim that Isaiah was written by 2 or 3 "Isaiah's" but then the
entire book was found in the dead sea scrolls that dated before the time the
other Isaiah's wrote it per the claims. Here's some other instances of
critics being wrong about the claims in the Bible:

"For 1000 years, skeptics pointed to the Old Testament references to Assyria
and its capital, Ninevah. They claimed such places never existed. Assyria
was written off as a "mythical empire." The reason for this conclusion was
that no secular references to Assyria and Ninevah had ever been found. Then,
in 1840 a British explorer by the name of Henry Layard had the temerity to
discover evidence of the existence of Assyria, and soon after, another
Englishman proceeded to dig up the city of Nineveh.

By 1800 skeptics were pointing to the New Testament references to the towns
of Capernaum, Chorazin, and Bethsaida as proof positive that the Bible is
full of myth, legend and superstition. "No such towns ever existed," they
claimed. Today, thanks to archeology, you can visit these places.

The skeptics then turned their attention to the Hittites, a nation the Bible
mentions 40 times. They were classified an "imaginary" people who existed
only in the pages of the Old Testament. But then, in 1905 archeologists
uncovered the city of Boghas-Keui in central Turkey which proved to be the
former capital city of this "bogus" empire."

In the Bible, the Jews didn't make themselves the Heroes, they wrote that
they were taken as slaves by the Egyptians. Why would they write such
things unless they actually happened? I mean if someone picked a fight with
you and you kicked their butt, would you lie and say they kicked your butt?
Or if you were going to fabricate a story, are you going to make up a story
that makes you look bad?

RogerN


You are missing. the point

The "Christian Bible" didn't exist as a single book, it was assembled
from various sources. The Jewish books were written over a thousand,
or more, years and were edited over the years, the last being written
about 450 B.C. The Christian portion was a collection of tracts taken
from a number of sources and certainly Paul contributed heavily so the
New Testament might be said to largely reflect Paul's viewpoints.

It is also quite likely that, perhaps as many as twenty "gospels"
written by early Christians were left out of the Bible. In fact these
"missing gospels" are well enough known that they even have a title.
They are called the "noncanonical gospels" One wonders what they said
and why they weren't included?

The next problem is that all of the Bible has been translated a number
of times, perhaps as many as four times, and if you have ever studied
a foreign language you will know that a perfect literal translation is
largely impossible to make, so does the current English language bible
actually reflect what the original writings were intended to mean?

Much of the Jewish books were certainly allegorical writings intended
to teach a lesson rather than be interpreted as literal accounts, as
some would have it. For example, the story of the Jews arriving in
Israel and slaughtering the inhabitants has no supporting evidence. In
fact modern archeological findings are that there was no significant
drop in the population of Israel, as there would have been if the Jews
slaughtered them.

But even more interesting is that the Jewish writings (which one would
think must be accurate) list the 10 commandments in a different order
than later writers, in fact the command "you will not murder" is
either the 5th, 6th or 7th commandment, depending on what you read.
But even worse the commandment is either "You will not murder", if you
read the original Jewish writings or "You will not Kill" if you read
later writers. As there is a significant difference between the two
meanings it would seem important to discover what God really
commanded. It might be added that the difference between "murder" and
"Killing" was quite clearly established in early Hebrew writings.
"Murder" was legally and morally forbidden while "killing", for
example in battle, was justified.

--
Cheers,

John B.

"John B." wrote in message
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It is also quite likely that, perhaps as many as twenty "gospels"
written by early Christians were left out of the Bible. In fact
these
"missing gospels" are well enough known that they even have a title.
They are called the "noncanonical gospels" One wonders what they
said
and why they weren't included?

http://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 06:46:37 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
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It is also quite likely that, perhaps as many as twenty "gospels"
written by early Christians were left out of the Bible. In fact
these
"missing gospels" are well enough known that they even have a title.
They are called the "noncanonical gospels" One wonders what they
said
and why they weren't included?

http://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/

Pass. I have trouble reading that stuff. g
My neighbor is a deeply religious lady, but not a damned proselytizer.
She says they left out all things pertaining to psychic phenomena,
intuition, and all the goodies concerning the sixth sense. (The PTBs
decided that the unwashed shouldn't have any extra knowledge, IMHO.)

--
I would be the most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people
who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves.
-- Anna Quindlen

On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Pass. I have trouble reading that stuff.g
My neighbor is a deeply religious lady, but not a damned proselytizer.
She says they left out all things pertaining to psychic phenomena,
intuition, and all the goodies concerning the sixth sense. (The PTBs
decided that the unwashed shouldn't have any extra knowledge, IMHO.)
There is scripture about that. It says they are real things - but to
stay away from them
as they are not for man to play with.

--
I would be the most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people
who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves.
-- Anna Quindlen

I like that one a lot.

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap
destruction;
the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal
life.

Galatians 6:8 (NIV)

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:51:23 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
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On the way to work this morning Dr. J Vernon McGhee was teaching on
Isaiah
in the 5 year through the Bible program. Sounded like he was talking
about
today and what is going on in the world. Couldn't be though, he died in
1988. Seems odd a radio Bible teaching program still airs daily after
the
man has been dead for 25 years.

http://www.ttb.org/listen.aspx?parentnavigationid=21777

RogerN


It seems like many Americans are depending on divine intervention because
we can't focus on the issue at hand:

That big Wall Street banks need to be broken up.

Neither Democrats or Republicans will do what's right because they're
bought and paid for by big Wall Street banks. Bernie Sanders isn't.

One man against all the corrupt politicians, he's going to need divine
intervention!
Hopefully he can get the word out and get something done about it.
Unfortunately those with the money buy the politicians to benefit themselves
instead of what's for the good for the country.

RogerN

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:20:26 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
"jon_banquer" wrote in message

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On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:51:23 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:

snip

On the way to work this morning Dr. J Vernon McGhee was teaching on

Isaiah

in the 5 year through the Bible program. Sounded like he was talking

about

today and what is going on in the world. Couldn't be though, he died in

1988. Seems odd a radio Bible teaching program still airs daily after

the

man has been dead for 25 years.



http://www.ttb.org/listen.aspx?parentnavigationid=21777



RogerN





It seems like many Americans are depending on divine intervention because

we can't focus on the issue at hand:



That big Wall Street banks need to be broken up.



Neither Democrats or Republicans will do what's right because they're

bought and paid for by big Wall Street banks. Bernie Sanders isn't.



One man against all the corrupt politicians, he's going to need divine

intervention!

Hopefully he can get the word out and get something done about it.

Unfortunately those with the money buy the politicians to benefit themselves

instead of what's for the good for the country.



RogerN


It's time to start voting for independents, Roger and not for what's left of the GOP. What's left of the GOP is a sad ****ing joke. Keep asking yourself why the two term Republican governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson left the Republican party.

It's also time to realize that the Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers and that they're not the answer.

Independents like Bernie Sanders and Gary Johnson are the answer to a better America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_PY7OBZtU

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:37:37 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:00:42 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

snip

In the Bible, the Jews didn't make themselves the Heroes, they wrote that
they were taken as slaves by the Egyptians. Why would they write such
things unless they actually happened? I mean if someone picked a fight
with
you and you kicked their butt, would you lie and say they kicked your
butt?
Or if you were going to fabricate a story, are you going to make up a
story
that makes you look bad?

RogerN

You are missing. the point

The "Christian Bible" didn't exist as a single book, it was assembled
from various sources. The Jewish books were written over a thousand,
or more, years and were edited over the years, the last being written
about 450 B.C. The Christian portion was a collection of tracts taken
from a number of sources and certainly Paul contributed heavily so the
New Testament might be said to largely reflect Paul's viewpoints.

snip
--
Cheers,

John B.

There are liberal "Bible Scholars" that have infected seminaries with this
sort of thing. It's basically an attack to discredit the source, also
called "argumentum ad hominem" though many of their claims have already been
proven wrong over the years. The important thing is not if a word is
translated "kill" or "murder", we know every time we eat something, that
kills what we eat if it's not dead already. We don't have to examine the
ground with a magnifying glass to make sure our next step doesn't kill an
ant. And is also doesn't matter the exact order of the commandments, i.e.
the claims that are true are of no significance.


Of course the order in which the Commandments are issued is not
important, what is important is that they are quite obviously changed
by man, if they were not than they would all be in the same order in
every version. The wording of the command, originally "You will not
commit Murder" also was changed to "You will not kill" in some
versions, and as I pointed out "Murder" and "Kill" were quite
different and were both discussed in early Jewish law.

One can only wonder what else was changed.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/30/2014 9:08 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

I try and stay optimistic. So should you.



I should, indeed.

But it's hard.

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:37:37 PM UTC-4, RogerN wrote:
"John B." wrote in message

People turning from faith, believing in man and government to be the answer.

Eventually there will be a peace treaty with Israel, then after 3-1/2 years

it will be broken and Israel will be attacked for the North (Russia) and

others will join in.

You have no proof that Russia will attack Israel. Youth hate groups says stuff like that.

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:37:37 PM UTC-4, RogerN wrote:
"John B." wrote in message

People turning from faith, believing in man and government to be the answer.

Eventually there will be a peace treaty with Israel, then after 3-1/2 years

it will be broken and Israel will be attacked for the North (Russia) and

others will join in.

You have no proof that Russia will attack Israel. Youth hate groups say stuff like that.