In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?


RogerN

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:12:41 -0600, "RogerN"
wrote:

In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?


RogerN


I'm thankful this season to live in a country in which most of the
people have more sense than to believe things like the above, and that
the loons who do are impotent to act on their lunacy.

--
Ed Huntress

On Dec 13, 7:24*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:12:41 -0600, "RogerN"
wrote:





In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?

RogerN

I'm thankful this season to live in a country in which most of the
people have more sense than to believe things like the above, and that
the loons who do are impotent to act on their lunacy.

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well said.

TMT

Something else to thank Democrats for:

Iraqis unable to defend their borders as US exits

By The Associated Press

BAGHDAD - After billions of dollars and nearly nine years of training,
American troops are leaving behind an Iraqi security force arguably capable
of providing internal security but unprepared to defend the nation against
foreign threats at a time of rising tensions throughout the Middle East.

Building up an Iraqi military and police able to protect the country became
a key goal of the United States and its allies after they defeated and then
disbanded the Saddam Hussein-era force in 2003. As America's role in Iraq
fades, the results appear at best incomplete.
Iraqi forces - currently about 700,000 strong - have been largely
responsible for security in Baghdad and other cities since 2009, carrying
out their own raids and other combat operations against insurgents.


http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...rs-as-us-exits


RogerN

Um, it was the Republicans who destroyed the Iraqi army.

i

On 2011-12-15, RogerN wrote:
Something else to thank Democrats for:

Iraqis unable to defend their borders as US exits

By The Associated Press

BAGHDAD - After billions of dollars and nearly nine years of training,
American troops are leaving behind an Iraqi security force arguably capable
of providing internal security but unprepared to defend the nation against
foreign threats at a time of rising tensions throughout the Middle East.

Building up an Iraqi military and police able to protect the country became
a key goal of the United States and its allies after they defeated and then
disbanded the Saddam Hussein-era force in 2003. As America's role in Iraq
fades, the results appear at best incomplete.
Iraqi forces - currently about 700,000 strong - have been largely
responsible for security in Baghdad and other cities since 2009, carrying
out their own raids and other combat operations against insurgents.


http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...rs-as-us-exits


RogerN

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:49:25 -0600, Ignoramus17151
wrote:

Um, it was the Republicans who destroyed the Iraqi army.

Huh? I thought it was the Republicans who kicked grandma off Social
Security and Medicare and out into the street. How could they have
done both?

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill

On Dec 14, 9:47*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:49:25 -0600, Ignoramus17151

wrote:
Um, it was the Republicans who destroyed the Iraqi army.

Huh? *I thought it was the Republicans who kicked grandma off Social
Security and Medicare and out into the street. *How could they have
done both?

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Sir Winston Churchill

What?

I thought they were ridding the world of gay marriage while destroying
millions of American jobs.

Damn...Republicans sure do get around.

TMT

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...
Something else to thank Democrats for:

Iraqis unable to defend their borders as US exits


You dumb ass if the Iraqis had been able to defend their borders there would
be no need for us to be exiting at all because we would never have been able
to invade the ****ing place to begin with.

"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
...


"RogerN" wrote in message
om...
Something else to thank Democrats for:

Iraqis unable to defend their borders as US exits


You dumb ass if the Iraqis had been able to defend their borders there
would be no need for us to be exiting at all because we would never have
been able to invade the ****ing place to begin with.

You dumb ass, they don't need to defend against us now, we are leaving, you
too stupid to understand that? Let's dumb it down for you, they need to
defend against those who want to make their country a threat to peace once
again. There probably isn't a country that can defend against the USA with
Republicans in control. With Democrats in control for a length of time we
probably couldn't defeat a girl scout troop armed with flaming marshmallows.

RogerN

On Dec 15, 7:18*pm, "RogerN" wrote:
"PrecisionmachinisT" *wrote in message

...

"RogerN" wrote in message
om...
Something else to thank Democrats for:

Iraqis unable to defend their borders as US exits

You dumb ass if the Iraqis had been able to defend their borders there
would be no need for us to be exiting at all because we would never have
been able to invade the ****ing place to begin with.

You dumb ass, they don't need to defend against us now, we are leaving, you
too stupid to understand that? *Let's dumb it down for you, they need to
defend against those who want to make their country a threat to peace once
again. *There probably isn't a country that can defend against the USA with
Republicans in control. *With Democrats in control for a length of time we
probably couldn't defeat a girl scout troop armed with flaming marshmallows.

RogerN

Roger have you ever defended your family from a screaming girl scout
troop armed with flaming marshmallows?

They are some damn tough bitches.

TMT

I am just glad that McCain and Palin are not in the office, thanks to
Democrats.

i

On Dec 13, 8:21*pm, Ignoramus4436
wrote:
I am just glad that McCain and Palin are not in the office, thanks to
Democrats.

i

LOL...I had forgotten about that clown team...seems like a bad dream.

I wonder if Sarah has gotten around to send refunds back to those who
believed in her?

Probably too busy giving lap dances.

TMT

Convincing a generation of teen agers that fellatio is not sex.

Promoting the notion that being unarmed is safer than being able to defend
oneself from criminals.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...
In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?


RogerN

"Stormin Mormon" wrote

Promoting the notion that being unarmed is safer than being able to defend
oneself from criminals.
Christopher A. Young

The underlying concept that (falsely) feeling morally superior was better
than learning to take effective action showed me the hollowness of
liberalism.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:52:38 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote

Promoting the notion that being unarmed is safer than being able to defend
oneself from criminals.
Christopher A. Young

The underlying concept that (falsely) feeling morally superior was better
than learning to take effective action showed me the hollowness of
liberalism.

Indeed. I'm waiting for a book from the library _Death of the Liberal
Class_ by Chris Hedges. It sounds like a very upbeat book. snort
And it appears to point out how the libs have become everything they
hate about conservatives.

From Amazon, Editorial Reviews:

From Publishers Weekly
Starred Review. In this tsunami of terrifying revelations, juxtaposed
truths, and demonstrated facts, Hedges (War is a Force That Gives Us
Meaning) argues that the traditional beacons of the liberal class—the
universities, media, church, labor unions, and arts–have sacrificed
themselves completely to the dominance of corporate greed and
unbounded capitalism. We are all to blame and everything moral about
our democracy stands to be lost—is indeed already vanishing, in
Hedges's view—and those who draw attention to it are banished and
booed. While every page erupts with calamities of the human spirit
worthy of their own irate broadcasts and bull-horned fury, Hedges is
at his best when he unpacks the density of his polemic and embraces
the power of his narrative. Regardless of form, however, his most
interesting theses include the parallel between the current domestic
climate and the fall of Weimar Germany and the conclusion that
"Everything formed by violence is senseless and useless. It exists
without a future. It leaves behind nothing but death, grief, and
destruction." These insights come not just as warning, but as witness.
(Nov.)
(c) Copyright PWxyz, LLC. All rights reserved. --This text refers to
the Hardcover edition.

From Booklist
The real danger to progressive social ideals is not President Obama’s
failure to push through a more liberal agenda or the threat presented
by the Tea Party and others pushing the Republicans more to the Right.
Hedges argues that the true threat to liberalism is the long and
gradual weakening of its ideals. Drawing on analysis and interviews
from his long career as a journalist, including 15 years with the New
York Times, Hedges chronicles the corruption of such bastions of
liberalism as the Democratic Party, academia, and labor unions. He
cites the NAFTA agreement and welfare reform during the Clinton
administration and union coziness with corporations as recent examples
of the merging of government and corporate interests to the detriment
of the interests of the poor or even the middle class. He also reviews
the long history of assassination and co-optation of radical voices in
the U.S. and the singular career of Ralph Nader as a consistent voice
against capitalist excess. This is a thoughtful analysis of why and
how liberals have compromised principles due to the allure of power
and wealth. --Vanessa Bush --This text refers to the Hardcover
edition.

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:27:29 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

He also reviews
the long history of assassination and co-optation of radical voices in
the U.S. and the singular career of Ralph Nader as a consistent voice
against capitalist excess.


If they are using Ralph Nader as some sort of Icon...they are
indeed...mentally ill

Which just goes to show that Im right far more often than not about the
Leftwingers

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Dec 14, 12:29*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:27:29 -0800, Larry Jaques

wrote:
He also reviews
the long history of assassination and co-optation of radical voices in
the U.S. and the singular career of Ralph Nader as a consistent voice
against capitalist excess.


The fact that this particular author refers to liberals as a "class"
speaks volumes about the author's misconceptions.

If they are using Ralph Nader as some sort of Icon...they are
indeed...mentally ill

The fact that this particular author uses Ralph Nader as some sort of
icon says something about the author's (mis)understanding of
progressives.

The fact that Gunner is (again) dishing out medical and psychological
diagnoses is yet another of Gunner's continuing series of venturing
into areas where he is eminently unqualified.

Which just goes to show that Im right far more often than not about the
Leftwingers

I'm glad you feel so good about yourself. But you are only "right"
about this if you buy the author's premise as fact, and if you believe
your diagnosis.


Gunner

On Dec 14, 6:52*am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote



Promoting the notion that being unarmed is safer than being able to defend
oneself from criminals.
Christopher A. Young

The underlying concept that (falsely) feeling morally superior was better
than learning to take effective action showed me the hollowness of
liberalism.

The underlying concept that (falsely) feeling morally superior was
better
than learning to take effective action showed me the hollowness of
conservativism.

An example..the subsequent negative behavior of conservatives since
causing the greatest economic disaster and most expensive war in my
lifetime has likely made me a liberal for life.

The fact that conservatives do not recognize this ongoing behavior
which has cost this Country of billions of dollars and thousands of
lives causes me to question any conservative's reasoning ability.

TMT

On Dec 13, 7:12*pm, "RogerN" wrote:
In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?

RogerN

I want to thank Democrats for rebuilding the economy after the
Republicans destroyed it.

And for Obama to have another term.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..


TMT


Fed says economy is healthier; takes no new steps
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER | AP -


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Reserve on Tuesday portrayed the U.S.
economy as slightly healthier and held off on any new steps to boost
growth.


Hiring is picking up and consumers are spending more despite slower
growth globally, the Fed said in its policy statement issued after
its
final meeting of the year.


However, Fed officials cautioned that business investment has slowed
and unemployment remains high. And they warned of strains in global
financial markets that pose a threat to the world's economy — a
reference to Europe's debt crisis. They left open the possibility of
taking new steps next year if the economy worsens.


The Dow Jones industrial average closed down 66 points for the day,
after being up by as much as 126 points before the Fed issued its
statement. Broader indexes also ended the day lower.


The Fed made only slight changes to November's statement. The policy
committee approved it by an identical 9-1 vote. Charles Evans
dissented for the second straight meeting, arguing again for more
action by the Fed.


Still, the modestly upbeat statement appeared to disappoint investors
and triggered the late-afternoon slump on Wall Street. Traders had
hoped the Fed would announce new policy action, even though most
economists expected none.


"The Fed did exactly what the markets were expecting, which is
nothing, so the market decline is puzzling," said Mark Zandi, chief
economist at Moody's Analytics. "It is always possible that there was
some outside hope the Fed would do more to support the economy at
this
meeting and when the markets didn't get that, they fell."


Many economists said Fed policymakers likely spent their final
meeting
of the year fine-tuning a strategy for communicating changes in
interest rates more explicitly. The Fed has left rates near zero for
the past three years. More guidance would help assure investors,
companies and consumers that rates won't rise before a specific time.


The Fed made no mention of a new communications strategy in its
statement. But economists say it could be unveiled as soon as next
month, after the Fed's Jan. 24-25 policy meeting.


Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial, said the November
minutes showed the Fed discussed adding an interest rate forecast to
its quarterly economic projections.


Swonk said the Fed may be trying to build a stronger consensus before
announcing the change. She also noted that three Federal Reserve
regional bank presidents who opposed key policy changes this year
will
not have votes next year.


Charles Plosser of Philadelphia, Richard Fisher of Dallas and
Narayana
Kocherlakota of Minneapolis all dissented from the Fed's policy
statements in September and August after citing concerns that the
actions introduced at those meetings could fuel inflation.


In September, the Fed said it would re-arrange its bond holdings to
stress longer-term maturities, to try to exert more downward pressure
on long-term rates.


That followed the Fed's announcement in August that it planned to
keep
its benchmark rate at a record low until at least mid-2013, as long
as
the economy remains weak. It was the first time it had committed to
keeping the rate there for a specific period. The Fed repeated that
timeframe in its December policy statement.


"I think the Fed will shift its communications policy once the most
vehement dissenters rotate off in January," Swonk said. Each year,
only five of the 12 regional bank presidents have votes.


Fed officials are debating how much further to go to signal a likely
timetable for any rate changes. Under one option, the Fed would start
forecasting the levels it envisions for the funds rate over the
subsequent two years. It could publish this forecast, as it now does
its economic outlook, four times a year.


Doing so would help assure investors, companies and consumers that
rates won't rise before a specific time. This might help lower long-
term yields further — in effect providing a kind of stimulus.


Some worry that such guidance risks inhibiting the Fed's flexibility
to revise interest rates if necessary. Others counter that the Fed
wouldn't hesitate to shift rates if warranted. And they say the
benefits of clearer guidance outweigh any constraints it might
impose.


The Fed is also discussing setting an explicit target for "core"
inflation. Core inflation excludes the volatile categories of energy
and food. It's remained historically low — currently around 1.5
percent by one measure.


The economy, while improving, is still weak. And it remains
vulnerable
to the European debt crisis, which could push the continent into a
recession and slow U.S. growth. On Nov. 30, the Fed joined other
central banks in making it easier for banks to borrow dollars. The
goal is to help prevent Europe's crisis from igniting a global panic.


Should the U.S. economy worsen, the Fed could take bolder steps, such
as buying more mortgage securities. Doing so could help push down
mortgage rates and help boost home purchases. The weak housing market
has been slowing the broader economy.


The boldest move left would be a third round of large-scale purchases
of Treasury securities. But critics say this would raise the risk of
future inflation. And many doubt it would help much anyway, because
Treasury yields are already near historic lows. Unless Europe's
crisis
worsens and spreads, few expect another program of Treasury
purchases.

On 12/13/2011 8:15 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 13, 7:12 pm, wrote:
In this season to be thankful, what do you want to thank Democrats for?

I want to thank Democrats that they removed Bibles from our public schools
and replaced them with drugs and crime.

I want to thank Democrats that our children no longer have to read "Thou
shall not Kill" but are free to kill their classmates.

I want to thank Democrats for jailing men for not paying child support for
children that are not theirs.

I want to thank Democrats for electing a president that can't even be
determined to be American.

I want to thank Democrats for keeping patriotic Americans busy defending the
Constitution that Democrats constantly trample.

I want to thank Democrats for making our educational system the least
effective for the amount of money spent.

What do you want to thank Democrats for?

RogerN

I want to thank Democrats for rebuilding the economy after the
Republicans destroyed it.

The economy turned around after Republicans retook the House and made
big gains in the Senate.