Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear to
bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the national
level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won first in
the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Steve B wrote:
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear to
bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the national
level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won first in
the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com





Fascinating stuff, Steve.

http://www.atlatls.com/dart_casting.html


--

Richard Lamb

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:32:09 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear to
bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the national
level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won first in
the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Gunner Raises his hand.....


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:38:59 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear to
bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the national
level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won first in
the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com





Fascinating stuff, Steve.

http://www.atlatls.com/dart_casting.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3it7Ct76w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYas53pGGKg&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VlOp...eature=related


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:07:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:07:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son
won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:07:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son
won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

Leftwingers are genetic mutants.

Some of their parents were actually nice people. Then the wars came, war
gases, then nukes..then Agent Orange and whatnot. They were genetically
intolerant to such things..poor genes..and the genes went bugnuts and
produced Leftwingers.

Shrug...sad..but then so is a brainless mindless **** eating vicious
dog. And we put dogs down for less mental and genetic damage.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. My son won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

When cave men would chase a large animal into a corner or into a bog, they
would have to run up and stab it. They could get actually very little
penetration power from a thrown spear. Well, when they got close enough to
stab the animal, they would also be close enough for the animal to grab
them. The atlatls would allow them to stay back, and the force of the blow
from the dart is estimated IIRC about seven times that of a thrown spear.
Then some genius came up with one foot pieces that went in the end of the
five foot spear, that would pop off when it went into the animal, letting
them essentially reload another tip, and put multiple tips into the animal.
What possessed the first guy to do it was either watching his buddies get
killed by getting too close, or a close call for himself. Pieces of heads
have been found in mastodon skeletons, and there is a theory that the reason
for mastodon extinction was the atlatl. They became more proficient
hunters.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

On Jul 22, 9:21*am, "Steve B" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote in message

...







"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Anyone here have any experience with atlatls? *They were invented
approximately 40,000 years ago, and are the link in the chain from spear
to bow and arrow with atlatl filling in the longest time span.

Modern atlatls are quite state of the art. *I have competed at the
national level at Atlatl Rock, Valley of Fire State Park, NV. *My son won
first in the juvenile class one year.

Interesting stuff. *Anyone ever done them?

Steve

visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. *What
possessed the first guy to do that? *Way cool simple thing!

When cave men would chase a large animal into a corner or into a bog, they
would have to run up and stab it. *They could get actually very little
penetration power from a thrown spear. *Well, when they got close enough to
stab the animal, they would also be close enough for the animal to grab
them. *The atlatls would allow them to stay back, and the force of the blow
from the dart is estimated IIRC about seven times that of a thrown spear.
Then some genius came up with one foot pieces that went in the end of the
five foot spear, that would pop off when it went into the animal, letting
them essentially reload another tip, and put multiple tips into the animal.
What possessed the first guy to do it was either watching his buddies get
killed by getting too close, or a close call for himself. *Pieces of heads
have been found in mastodon skeletons, and there is a theory that the reason
for mastodon extinction was the atlatl. *They became more proficient
hunters.

Steve

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The TV program that dealt with Atlatls was "Weapon Masters". They did
quite a fair job talking about the history and what could be done with
newer technology (arrow shafts for the projectile).

A pretty neat show in general.

_kevin

FWIW there's an atlatl association of some kind out there; their
motto is "Too long have I hunted mammoth alone". Dunno where I picked up
that bit of trivia tho; sounds like a fun bunch!

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : A human without a critter
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : is incomplete..
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

They did. Be glad.

pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Gunner Asch on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:41:03 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Interesting article in current issue of Make Magazine. Guy sets
out to make a "stone age" telegraph key. From scratch - making his
own scratch. First - invent the basket. Then invent fire. (He
cheated - didn't invent the 'string' to use in his bow drill.) Then
came the fun part of inventing smelting. (Verb Sap: wooden chimneys
on a fire that hot is ... spectacular). But he eventually got the
metal he needed to make a telegraph key. In about six weeks of
applied R&D. Now all he needed was to make wire and a receiver....
So, yeah, it was possible to have a telegraph in oh dark BC
(Before the dawn of time) but ... "retro inventing" the technology is
a long way from originating.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Oh, yes. Or make a few alliances, to settle things down.

Which is one of the contentions of the author of _Whatever
happened to the Neanderthal_. One of his speculations is that with
the bigger brain came "society" - and the construction of the rules
there of. Add in the human female's receptiveness and bonding ...
Tribe A makes an alliance with Tribe B, complete with an exchange of
women, some spear making technology, a few exotic 'gifts' (seashells
inland, that sort of thing) and next thing you know, city states are
linked by marriage, language and culture, and the spread of
monarchies, and wars of succession, Parliaments, and history. Yep,
history is mostly one massive dysfunctional family argument, with
armies.


pyotr

Balzac is suppose to have said when rolling off his mistress, spent
"There goes another novel."
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Steve B" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:21:25
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

When cave men would chase a large animal into a corner or into a bog, they
would have to run up and stab it. They could get actually very little
penetration power from a thrown spear. Well, when they got close enough to
stab the animal, they would also be close enough for the animal to grab
them. The atlatls would allow them to stay back, and the force of the blow
from the dart is estimated IIRC about seven times that of a thrown spear.
Then some genius came up with one foot pieces that went in the end of the
five foot spear, that would pop off when it went into the animal, letting
them essentially reload another tip, and put multiple tips into the animal.
What possessed the first guy to do it was either watching his buddies get
killed by getting too close, or a close call for himself.

There's two guys in history who's names we really never know:
Crazy Eddie and Charlie.

"Crazy Eddie" - he's the guy (we all know one) who is always got A
Bright Idea. Most of them don't work out well, but occasionally, he
comes up with a winner. Oysters. Beer. Pickles. Detachable points to
an atlatls spear. PCs.
"Charlie" is the early adopter, who tries Crazy Eddie's ideas and
see that "this isn't a bad idea."

Pieces of heads
have been found in mastodon skeletons, and there is a theory that the reason
for mastodon extinction was the atlatl. They became more proficient
hunters.

Proficient, or "efficient"? Hey, what ever puts food on the
'table'.


pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:44:14 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 7/22/2010 1:04 PM, steamer wrote:
FWIW there's an atlatl association of some kind out there; their
motto is "Too long have I hunted mammoth alone". Dunno where I picked up
that bit of trivia tho; sounds like a fun bunch!

Now _that_ would be a good sport to add to the Olympics--beats the heck
out of the movement to add sitting-at-a-table games like poker and chess.



Moving mammoth at the end of the field. Elephant scream when a score
is planted.

Something strangely funny about that line, steamer, would make a great
bumper sticker.

SW

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...
"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls.
What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

They did. Be glad.

pyotr


AND, the good thing, Gunner. They can be made by hand from available
materials should the great event happen, and you don't need a license to own
or carry one. Of course, that could change. ;-) The ones of us who know
how to make them will be called "Your Majesty", and we'll get all the women.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

"steamer" wrote in message
...
FWIW there's an atlatl association of some kind out there; their
motto is "Too long have I hunted mammoth alone". Dunno where I picked up
that bit of trivia tho; sounds like a fun bunch!

May be the World Atlatl Association.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

"steamer" wrote in message
...
FWIW there's an atlatl association of some kind out there; their
motto is "Too long have I hunted mammoth alone". Dunno where I picked up
that bit of trivia tho; sounds like a fun bunch!

Check this site out:

http://www.atlatl.com/

I have one of his, just like the one below his photo. I called him about it
a year ago, and he says it's worth about $700 now, because it is one of the
first he made, and is much better than the ones they churn out now. One
would have to get a custom made now to get anything like the grade of the
one I have. Made in 1985. Called the Winnemucca, fashioned after one found
in a cave in Winnemucca, NV that was five thousand years old. Now called
the Warrior.

I have an atlatl and darts made by Wade Bryan, former world record holder of
a bit over 700', and I understand it is about 850' now. Saw him throw a
couple of times. WOW! My best was 330 feet.

Comes with Easton aluminum shafts that are two shafts joined by a short
inner sleeve. About six feet.

I showed my BIL who has been big game hunting all over the world. I threw
one for him, telling him how to do it. He stepped up, and on his first
throw ever, beat my throw.

Some cool stuff. My wife wants me to go back to giving demonstrations and
possibly writing articles. I used to train Cub and Boy Scouts, and give
demonstrations at Scoutaramas.

Two shoulder surgeries and heart surgery later, I decided to sell them
because I couldn't throw them any more. When I sold them, I put them on
ebay for $100 for six atlatls and about thirty darts BIN. They were just
plain wood atlatls and fiberglass darts. Some needed vanes. Three minutes
later, a guy did a buy-it-now. He called on the phone, and was ecstatic.
He was a fish and game agent in Arizona who had been looking for some to
give classes to hunter safety and outdoor groups, and to give lessons. I
sold them too cheap, but they went on to teach others, and didn't get stuck
in someone's closet, then thrown away when they died. So, I didn't feel so
bad about the price.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

On Jul 22, 2:28*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
...
Which is one of the contentions of the author of _Whatever
happened to the Neanderthal_. One of his speculations is that with
the bigger brain came "society" - and the construction of the rules
there of. Add in the human female's receptiveness and bonding ...
Tribe A makes an alliance with Tribe B, complete with an exchange of
women, some spear making technology, a few exotic 'gifts' (seashells
inland, that sort of thing) and next thing you know, city states are
linked by marriage, language and culture, and the spread of
monarchies, and wars of succession, Parliaments, and history. Yep,
history is mostly one massive dysfunctional family argument, with
armies.
pyotr filipivich

This is the only instance I know of in modern history in which a
diffuse and relatively peaceful agrarian society coalesced (in only
three years) into an all-conquering military empi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka

"The Washing of the Spears" is a much better and clearer description
of the rise and fall of the Zulu.

Some ancient cities seem to have popped up quickly based on a central
plan rather than evolving randomly from older settlements. Perhaps a
charismatic leader recruited an army from the second, third etc sons
of farmers, young men who wouldn't inherit the family land once it had
been subdivided too finely.

jsw
Typed on a roll-up rubber keyboard that workspretty well except for
the space bar.

Steve B wrote:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...
"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls.
What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner
Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.
They did. Be glad.

pyotr


AND, the good thing, Gunner. They can be made by hand from available
materials should the great event happen, and you don't need a license to own
or carry one. Of course, that could change. ;-) The ones of us who know
how to make them will be called "Your Majesty", and we'll get all the women.

Only if you have a lifetime stock of toilet paper and tampons...


Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com




--

Richard Lamb

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:28:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

They did. Be glad.

Not all of them. The radically defective recessive gene that cause the
mental illness as typlified by Leftwingers was allowed to pass on......


pyotr



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:17:03 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
.. .
"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls.
What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

They did. Be glad.

pyotr


AND, the good thing, Gunner. They can be made by hand from available
materials should the great event happen, and you don't need a license to own
or carry one. Of course, that could change. ;-) The ones of us who know
how to make them will be called "Your Majesty", and we'll get all the women.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Indeed. And I know where there is a very nice groove of bamboo growing
about 300 yrds from my home.

G

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:38:38 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"steamer" wrote in message
...
FWIW there's an atlatl association of some kind out there; their
motto is "Too long have I hunted mammoth alone". Dunno where I picked up
that bit of trivia tho; sounds like a fun bunch!

Check this site out:

http://www.atlatl.com/

I have one of his, just like the one below his photo. I called him about it
a year ago, and he says it's worth about $700 now, because it is one of the
first he made, and is much better than the ones they churn out now. One
would have to get a custom made now to get anything like the grade of the
one I have. Made in 1985. Called the Winnemucca, fashioned after one found
in a cave in Winnemucca, NV that was five thousand years old. Now called
the Warrior.

I have an atlatl and darts made by Wade Bryan, former world record holder of
a bit over 700', and I understand it is about 850' now. Saw him throw a
couple of times. WOW! My best was 330 feet.

Comes with Easton aluminum shafts that are two shafts joined by a short
inner sleeve. About six feet.

I showed my BIL who has been big game hunting all over the world. I threw
one for him, telling him how to do it. He stepped up, and on his first
throw ever, beat my throw.

Some cool stuff. My wife wants me to go back to giving demonstrations and
possibly writing articles. I used to train Cub and Boy Scouts, and give
demonstrations at Scoutaramas.

Two shoulder surgeries and heart surgery later, I decided to sell them
because I couldn't throw them any more. When I sold them, I put them on
ebay for $100 for six atlatls and about thirty darts BIN. They were just
plain wood atlatls and fiberglass darts. Some needed vanes. Three minutes
later, a guy did a buy-it-now. He called on the phone, and was ecstatic.
He was a fish and game agent in Arizona who had been looking for some to
give classes to hunter safety and outdoor groups, and to give lessons. I
sold them too cheap, but they went on to teach others, and didn't get stuck
in someone's closet, then thrown away when they died. So, I didn't feel so
bad about the price.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com


http://cgi.ebay.com/CANE-BAMBOO-ATLA...mZ220206113356

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seven-Foot-Ash-A...-/260116111026


There is a fair amount of atlatl stuff currently on ebay.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Jim Wilkins on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:05:21 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Jul 22, 2:28*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
...
Which is one of the contentions of the author of _Whatever
happened to the Neanderthal_. One of his speculations is that with
the bigger brain came "society" - and the construction of the rules
there of. Add in the human female's receptiveness and bonding ...
Tribe A makes an alliance with Tribe B, complete with an exchange of
women, some spear making technology, a few exotic 'gifts' (seashells
inland, that sort of thing) and next thing you know, city states are
linked by marriage, language and culture, and the spread of
monarchies, and wars of succession, Parliaments, and history. Yep,
history is mostly one massive dysfunctional family argument, with
armies.
pyotr filipivich

This is the only instance I know of in modern history in which a
diffuse and relatively peaceful agrarian society coalesced (in only
three years) into an all-conquering military empi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka

"The Washing of the Spears" is a much better and clearer description
of the rise and fall of the Zulu.

Some ancient cities seem to have popped up quickly based on a central
plan rather than evolving randomly from older settlements. Perhaps a
charismatic leader recruited an army from the second, third etc sons
of farmers, young men who wouldn't inherit the family land once it had
been subdivided too finely.

Back in the Old Days, when the British had an Empire. the second
and third sons were the ones who went aboard, to seek their fortune.
The occasional idiot first son would sometimes be sent "away' to no
longer embarrass the family. Those were the "Remittance men" -
Service wrote of them.
Those second sons, having no title back home, often did quite well
in the new country. And tended to also not give a rip about the way
things Used To Be Done.


--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Gunner Asch" wrote

Indeed. And I know where there is a very nice groove of bamboo growing
about 300 yrds from my home.

G

Gunner


I watch Survivor every year, don't ask me why. The first season, I tuned in
to the episode where Rudy the Seal was voted out, so I figured it had
nothing to do with survival, and everything to do with adolescent politics.

I see these idiots on there. They know they're going weeks ahead of time,
but fail to learn how to make fire from sticks. They do no preparation in
survival skills.

If I was on there, I'd have an atlatl and a crab net on the second day, and
be eating. Those bozos are starving and standing among food.

But I'd get voted off for "personality".

Don't bother me. I know that I could live through a real survival
situation, and I would be the ones who got to choose who got food and who
didn't.

Steve

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"Gunner Asch" wrote


http://cgi.ebay.com/CANE-BAMBOO-ATLA...mZ220206113356

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seven-Foot-Ash-A...-/260116111026


There is a fair amount of atlatl stuff currently on ebay.

Gunner

I am glad to see that, and glad to see there's an interest in it that's
growing. The equipment is all over the chart. When we went to
competitions, there was a lot of interest in the home made stuff, although
some of it was a bit "klonky" like the big bamboo shafts. This stuff has to
be a delicate balance of head, throwing stick, and spear weight/balance. If
not, it just does not fly. Most of the best performing stuff is light. The
heavier stuff would be for short distances only, like after you had an
animal trapped or bogged down.

Most points that are found in the field that are bigger than one inch in any
dimension were probably atlatl or spear points. You can't put much of a
head on a wooden arrow and shoot it with a wooden bow, and have it carry
much energy or distance.

Isn't it amazing. A couple of days ago, most people here had never heard
the word atlatl. Buy one and try it. Practice for a few months. It's a
lot of fun. Actually, if you want accuracy, the shorter ones do better than
the longer ones, and are very easy to make.

Steve

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:37:12 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote


http://cgi.ebay.com/CANE-BAMBOO-ATLA...mZ220206113356

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seven-Foot-Ash-A...-/260116111026


There is a fair amount of atlatl stuff currently on ebay.

Gunner

I am glad to see that, and glad to see there's an interest in it that's
growing. The equipment is all over the chart. When we went to
competitions, there was a lot of interest in the home made stuff, although
some of it was a bit "klonky" like the big bamboo shafts. This stuff has to
be a delicate balance of head, throwing stick, and spear weight/balance. If
not, it just does not fly. Most of the best performing stuff is light. The
heavier stuff would be for short distances only, like after you had an
animal trapped or bogged down.

Most points that are found in the field that are bigger than one inch in any
dimension were probably atlatl or spear points. You can't put much of a
head on a wooden arrow and shoot it with a wooden bow, and have it carry
much energy or distance.

Isn't it amazing. A couple of days ago, most people here had never heard
the word atlatl. Buy one and try it. Practice for a few months. It's a
lot of fun. Actually, if you want accuracy, the shorter ones do better than
the longer ones, and are very easy to make.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

z

The ones I farted around with some years ago, were in the 6' range.

While I cant say I ever got good enough to be called "good", I did take
some jackrabbits and groundsquirrels with it. I was hoping to go after
a russian boar..lots of them not too far from here..but never got around
to taking the time ..life got in the way.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Jul 22, 9:49*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
...

I watch Survivor every year, don't ask me why. *The first season, I tuned in
to the episode where Rudy the Seal was voted out, so I figured it had
nothing to do with survival, and everything to do with adolescent politics.

I see these idiots on there. *They know they're going weeks ahead of time,
but fail to learn how to make fire from sticks. *They do no preparation in
survival skills.

If I was on there, I'd have an atlatl and a crab net on the second day, and
be eating. *Those bozos are starving and standing among food.

But I'd get voted off for "personality".

Don't bother me. *I know that I could live through a real survival
situation, and I would be the ones who got to choose who got food and who
didn't.

Steve

You probably wouldn't get onto the show. Competence is out of fashion.
I like Jewel's remark that we watch TV to see people more messed up
than we are.

It's too bad "Rough Science" didn't draw a bigger audience.

jsw

On 7/22/2010 10:37 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Gunner wrote


http://cgi.ebay.com/CANE-BAMBOO-ATLA...mZ220206113356

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seven-Foot-Ash-A...-/260116111026


There is a fair amount of atlatl stuff currently on ebay.

Gunner

I am glad to see that, and glad to see there's an interest in it that's
growing. The equipment is all over the chart. When we went to
competitions, there was a lot of interest in the home made stuff, although
some of it was a bit "klonky" like the big bamboo shafts. This stuff has to
be a delicate balance of head, throwing stick, and spear weight/balance. If
not, it just does not fly. Most of the best performing stuff is light. The
heavier stuff would be for short distances only, like after you had an
animal trapped or bogged down.

Most points that are found in the field that are bigger than one inch in any
dimension were probably atlatl or spear points. You can't put much of a
head on a wooden arrow and shoot it with a wooden bow, and have it carry
much energy or distance.

Dunno about stone age, but medieval bodkin and broad heads were
typically 2 or more inches long, and shot from a wooden longbow they
carried just fine and had enough energy to punch through armor.

Isn't it amazing. A couple of days ago, most people here had never heard
the word atlatl. Buy one and try it. Practice for a few months. It's a
lot of fun. Actually, if you want accuracy, the shorter ones do better than
the longer ones, and are very easy to make.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Gunner Asch on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:35:52 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:28:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"Buerste" on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:50:04 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

There was a TV program on TLC or The Military Channel about Atlatls. What
possessed the first guy to do that? Way cool simple thing!

It probably took a few thousand years for some guy to be puttering
around with a spear and Stuff..and have a Eureka! moment..then another
thousand years for the word to get around.

Think one tribe wouldnt kick the next tribes ass with one?

Gunner

Too bad they didn't kill-off certain genes.

They did. Be glad.

Not all of them. The radically defective recessive gene that cause the
mental illness as typlified by Leftwingers was allowed to pass on......

Yeah, but the dominate defective genes, those got wiped out pretty
quick. Unfortunately, we "bred" for the recessive traits. But hey,if
it is genetic, we can devise a genetic test, and then cull the gene
pool. I'm sure that those who consider themselves to be a product of
their genetic makeup will agree.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:49:43 -0700, Steve B wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote

Indeed. And I know where there is a very nice groove of bamboo growing
about 300 yrds from my home.

G

I watch Survivor every year, don't ask me why. The first season, I tuned
in to the episode where Rudy the Seal was voted out, so I figured it had
nothing to do with survival, and everything to do with adolescent
politics.

I see these idiots on there. They know they're going weeks ahead of time,
but fail to learn how to make fire from sticks. They do no preparation in
survival skills.

If I was on there, I'd have an atlatl and a crab net on the second day,
and be eating. Those bozos are starving and standing among food.

Whenever I see shows like that, I wonder, "Why don't they just ask all
those people with cameras and recorders and lights and stuff if they'll
share their food?"

;-)
Rich