On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:49:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


But it is pointless to try to get you to understand. I have never
known you to read replies and change your mind about anything. You
never admit that someone could have a legitimate opinion that differs
from yours.

Dan

I don't have a dog in this fight but I've noticed that too.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:49:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


But it is pointless to try to get you to understand. I have never
known you to read replies and change your mind about anything. You
never admit that someone could have a legitimate opinion that differs
from yours.

Dan

I don't have a dog in this fight but I've noticed that too.

Why would anyone change his mind based on someone else's *opinion*, Don?
That is, unless he has a weak mind or doesn't trust his own judgment.

We change our minds when we learn new *facts*, or reconsider the facts we
have before us. Dan is entitled to his opinion, including his opinion that
*my* judgment about the facts of this case are wrong. And I'm entitled to
mine.

--
Ed Huntress

On Dec 12, 8:34*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

But it is pointless to try to get you to understand. *I have never
known you to read replies and change your mind about anything. *You
never admit that someone could have a legitimate opinion that differs
from yours.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan



Why would anyone change his mind based on someone else's *opinion*, Don?
That is, unless he has a weak mind or doesn't trust his own judgment.

We change our minds when we learn new *facts*, or reconsider the facts we
have before us. Dan is entitled to his opinion, including his opinion that
*my* judgment about the facts of this case are wrong. And I'm entitled to
mine.

--
Ed Huntress

You also need to improve your reading comprehension. I said I never
have known you to read replies and change your mind. That would
include replies that present new facts. An example would be when you
said that the joke would only be considered funny as a racist joke.
But then I showed you that there was a web site that had essentially
the same joke but with no racist elements. That was a fact, not an
opinion.

I agree that you should not change your mind based on opinions. That
is why your argument that a number of people had opinions that the
joke is racist did not cut any ice with me. That is not a legitimate
argument as far as I am concerned. My argument is that I do not see
that you have any objective criteria to say the joke is racist or
not.

But I have to admit you did say I was entitled to my opinion. But I
don't think you went so far as to say it was a legitimate opinion.

Dan

wrote:
On Dec 12, 8:34 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

But it is pointless to try to get you to understand. I have never
known you to read replies and change your mind about anything. You
never admit that someone could have a legitimate opinion that
differs from yours.

Dan



Why would anyone change his mind based on someone else's *opinion*,
Don? That is, unless he has a weak mind or doesn't trust his own
judgment.

We change our minds when we learn new *facts*, or reconsider the
facts we have before us. Dan is entitled to his opinion, including
his opinion that *my* judgment about the facts of this case are
wrong. And I'm entitled to mine.

--
Ed Huntress

You also need to improve your reading comprehension. I said I never
have known you to read replies and change your mind. That would
include replies that present new facts. An example would be when you
said that the joke would only be considered funny as a racist joke.
But then I showed you that there was a web site that had essentially
the same joke but with no racist elements.


And a different joke Dan.
Are you really this stupid or just being obtuse?



--
John R. Carroll

On Dec 13, 12:08*am, "John R. Carroll" wrote:

And a different joke Dan.
Are you really this stupid or just being obtuse?

--
John R. Carroll

whatever.

Dan

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:34:15 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:49:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


But it is pointless to try to get you to understand. I have never
known you to read replies and change your mind about anything. You
never admit that someone could have a legitimate opinion that differs
from yours.

Dan

I don't have a dog in this fight but I've noticed that too.

Why would anyone change his mind based on someone else's *opinion*, Don?

A considered differing opinion from a respected or even plausible
source might motivate one to re-examine the bases (plural basis) for
one's own opinion: facts, logic, judgement, beliefs, preferences and
tastes.

We change our minds when we learn new *facts*, or reconsider the facts we
have before us.

Dan merely noted that he's never known you to do that. I don't recall
any instances either.

Dan is entitled to his opinion, including his opinion that
*my* judgment about the facts of this case are wrong. And I'm entitled to
mine.

I'd say that counts as an admission that another can have a legit
opinion differing from yours. G

On Dec 14, 2:49*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

I've asked Dan a couple of times why, if he recognizes that Gunner was
trying to antagonize the lefties with this "joke," it could be antagonistic
if it were just the safe, tame G-rated joke that he claims it is. He hasn't
answered me. That's because he can't. He recognizes, as I'm sure you do,
that the joke works because of the racial antagonism. Otherwise, it's just a
chuckle. Do you think that Gunner posted it here just to get a couple of
titters out of the left? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?

--
Ed Huntress

Actually it is easy to answer. But the answer only makes sense to
people that do not have a knee jerk reaction. And the answer is that
some people have a knee jerk reaction. Most of the people in RCM are
not posting in this thread because to them the joke is just a chuckle
regardless of who is named in the joke.

I did not answer before because I was certain it would not convince
you and everyone who sees it as just a chuckle already knows the
answer.

Dan

wrote:

(...)

Most of the people in RCM are not posting in this thread because to them the
joke is just a chuckle regardless of who is named in the joke.

Speak for yourself, Dan.

--Winston

--

Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year!

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:56 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:49:50 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I've asked Dan a couple of times why, if he recognizes that Gunner was
trying to antagonize the lefties with this "joke," it could be
antagonistic
if it were just the safe, tame G-rated joke that he claims it is. He
hasn't
answered me. That's because he can't. He recognizes, as I'm sure you do,
that the joke works because of the racial antagonism. Otherwise, it's just
a
chuckle. Do you think that Gunner posted it here just to get a couple of
titters out of the left? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?

Wow! Well, I still don't find it offensive (or particularly amusing
for that matter), but I can respect the fact that you do, as do
practically everyone that you know.

While I can see how being compared to a monkey is probably intended to
be pejorative, like "skunk", "dirty rat", etc, I don't share the
"universal knowledge" that it is particularly vile, cruel or vicious.
Matter of fact, when my granddaughter (who has brown skin) was asked
at age 3 or so what she'd like to be when she grows up, after careful
thought she said, "a monkey!" "Oh, why?" "They like to swing, they
like bananas, and they always have big happy smiles." (This spoken
with a pronounced British accent because Bella lives in London -- and
likes to swing at the park and likes bananas.)

Ask her again in 10 or 12 years.

If she grows up to be sensible, then she'll realize as all sensible
people do that being compared to a monkey in terms of ancestry isn't
any kind of compliment. If she reads the joke in question she'll
recognize its racist element, won't need anyone to explain why it's
offensive, and will cringe if she learns that grandpa stooped to using
her childhood musings to defend his own refusal to admit a simple
truth. You'll never convince Dan and Don of any of that though because
neither is as smart as they think they are, or as smart as you
(inexplicably IMO) give them credit for.

BTW, I believe that gummer's motivation in posting such crap is
primarily to gain imagined adulation. He doesn't care if comes from
the least discriminating readers, or about the depths he must sink to
earn it. In that regard he's a lot like the GOP "purity" nutters, who
like him are destined to go down in flames.

Wayne

wrote in message
...
On Dec 14, 2:49 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

I've asked Dan a couple of times why, if he recognizes that Gunner was
trying to antagonize the lefties with this "joke," it could be
antagonistic
if it were just the safe, tame G-rated joke that he claims it is. He
hasn't
answered me. That's because he can't. He recognizes, as I'm sure you do,
that the joke works because of the racial antagonism. Otherwise, it's just
a
chuckle. Do you think that Gunner posted it here just to get a couple of
titters out of the left? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?

--
Ed Huntress

Actually it is easy to answer. But the answer only makes sense to
people that do not have a knee jerk reaction. And the answer is that
some people have a knee jerk reaction. Most of the people in RCM are
not posting in this thread because to them the joke is just a chuckle
regardless of who is named in the joke.

I did not answer before because I was certain it would not convince
you and everyone who sees it as just a chuckle already knows the
answer.

Then why did you say, in an earlier post, "Actually I think Gunner posted it
because it upsets a lot of the far left and their reaction is amusing.
Gunner seems to like posting things that annoy those on the far left," and
"Only those that see a racist intent are going to comment."

Then why would it be "upsetting" unless it was intended to imply racism? You
acknowledge that at least some people are going to see the racist intent,
and that Gunner is aiming to upset those people. In other words, he knew
perfectly well that it's a racist joke, and that people on the left -- those
who react most strongly to intentional racism -- are the ones he was trying
to antagonize.

This is what I mean when I say you're talking out of two sides of your
mouth. On one hand, you recognize that it was intentionally racist -- that's
the basis of the antagonism -- and on the other, you say that it's not
really racist. How can it be intended to provoke a reaction from
anti-racists and not be racist?

It doesn't work, Dan.

--
Ed Huntress

Would one of you please explain why "Caribou Barbie" etc wasn't
offensive and demeaning?

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
Would one of you please explain why "Caribou Barbie" etc wasn't
offensive and demeaning?

It's like Buffalo Bill. She shoots and eats them. Nobody is saying she's
descended from them. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:54:19 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:56 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:49:50 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I've asked Dan a couple of times why, if he recognizes that Gunner was
trying to antagonize the lefties with this "joke," it could be
antagonistic
if it were just the safe, tame G-rated joke that he claims it is. He
hasn't
answered me. That's because he can't. He recognizes, as I'm sure you do,
that the joke works because of the racial antagonism. Otherwise, it's just
a
chuckle. Do you think that Gunner posted it here just to get a couple of
titters out of the left? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?

Wow! Well, I still don't find it offensive (or particularly amusing
for that matter), but I can respect the fact that you do, as do
practically everyone that you know.

While I can see how being compared to a monkey is probably intended to
be pejorative, like "skunk", "dirty rat", etc, I don't share the
"universal knowledge" that it is particularly vile, cruel or vicious.
Matter of fact, when my granddaughter (who has brown skin) was asked
at age 3 or so what she'd like to be when she grows up, after careful
thought she said, "a monkey!" "Oh, why?" "They like to swing, they
like bananas, and they always have big happy smiles." (This spoken
with a pronounced British accent because Bella lives in London -- and
likes to swing at the park and likes bananas.)

Ask her again in 10 or 12 years.

If she grows up to be sensible, then she'll realize as all sensible
people do that being compared to a monkey in terms of ancestry isn't
any kind of compliment. If she reads the joke in question she'll
recognize its racist element, won't need anyone to explain why it's
offensive, and will cringe if she learns that grandpa stooped to using
her childhood musings to defend his own refusal to admit a simple
truth. You'll never convince Dan and Don of any of that though because
neither is as smart as they think they are, or as smart as you
(inexplicably IMO) give them credit for.

BTW, I believe that gummer's motivation in posting such crap is
primarily to gain imagined adulation. He doesn't care if comes from
the least discriminating readers, or about the depths he must sink to
earn it. In that regard he's a lot like the GOP "purity" nutters, who
like him are destined to go down in flames.

Wayne

Good evening, Wayne! I'd wondered why you hadn't joined the fray.

Both of Bella's parents are highly intelligent, her brown Papa a
member of Mensa and gentleman that we think the world of, both with
exceptional sense of humor. Wee Bella thus far seems to be an acorn
not fallen far from the tree. She is certainly a motormouth like her
very fair-skinned blonde gorgeous blue-eyed mom. Having leprechaun
Mary for a Nana only encourages her. I rather expect that she'll
eventually be presented with both creationist and evolutionist
theories and be allowed to choose for herself. The evolutionist view
suggests that we're all descended from monkeys. I think that Bella
would and will regard being compared to a monkey as amusing e.g.
Curious George.

Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

Wayne, you don't know jack **** about tolerance and diversity any more
than pilgrim proper superior Ed. Your choice to live far off-grid
makes that quite clear. You choose to live isolated from others while
presuming to judge those who live peaceably, gently and enjoyably
among diverse others.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:40:17 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:54:19 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:56 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:49:50 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I've asked Dan a couple of times why, if he recognizes that Gunner was
trying to antagonize the lefties with this "joke," it could be
antagonistic
if it were just the safe, tame G-rated joke that he claims it is. He
hasn't
answered me. That's because he can't. He recognizes, as I'm sure you do,
that the joke works because of the racial antagonism. Otherwise, it's just
a
chuckle. Do you think that Gunner posted it here just to get a couple of
titters out of the left? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?

Wow! Well, I still don't find it offensive (or particularly amusing
for that matter), but I can respect the fact that you do, as do
practically everyone that you know.

While I can see how being compared to a monkey is probably intended to
be pejorative, like "skunk", "dirty rat", etc, I don't share the
"universal knowledge" that it is particularly vile, cruel or vicious.
Matter of fact, when my granddaughter (who has brown skin) was asked
at age 3 or so what she'd like to be when she grows up, after careful
thought she said, "a monkey!" "Oh, why?" "They like to swing, they
like bananas, and they always have big happy smiles." (This spoken
with a pronounced British accent because Bella lives in London -- and
likes to swing at the park and likes bananas.)

Ask her again in 10 or 12 years.

If she grows up to be sensible, then she'll realize as all sensible
people do that being compared to a monkey in terms of ancestry isn't
any kind of compliment. If she reads the joke in question she'll
recognize its racist element, won't need anyone to explain why it's
offensive, and will cringe if she learns that grandpa stooped to using
her childhood musings to defend his own refusal to admit a simple
truth. You'll never convince Dan and Don of any of that though because
neither is as smart as they think they are, or as smart as you
(inexplicably IMO) give them credit for.

BTW, I believe that gummer's motivation in posting such crap is
primarily to gain imagined adulation. He doesn't care if comes from
the least discriminating readers, or about the depths he must sink to
earn it. In that regard he's a lot like the GOP "purity" nutters, who
like him are destined to go down in flames.

Wayne

The evolutionist view
suggests that we're all descended from monkeys.

No, it does not, nitwit.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li...faq/cat02.html

I think that Bella
would and will regard being compared to a monkey as amusing e.g.
Curious George.

Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what? Your original train of thought headed in the wrong direction.
Speeding it up will only take you farther and faster from the
destination.

Wayne, you don't know jack **** about tolerance and diversity any more
than pilgrim proper superior Ed.

I know to put myself in the place of the butt of the joke, and then
ask myself how I'd view it. As opposed to judging based on faulty
logic, erroneous assumptions, and irrelevant anecdotes. Let's call my
method the golden rule of joke evaluation, and yours the
it's-OK-if-I-say-it-is declaration.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Your choice to live far off-grid
makes that quite clear. You choose to live isolated from others while
presuming to judge those who live peaceably,

Ah yes, you imagine that yet another of your failures to reason can be
explained by something you imagine I do.

gently and enjoyably among diverse others.

Says the guy who needs a carry-permit to go on his "enjoyable" walks.
LOL


Wayne

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard. I'd read Leon Uris's "Battle Cry"
and Michner's "South Pacific" by then and my Dad was a WWII vet, a
SeaBee combat engineer on Guam. Mr. Birlson and I got things sorted
out OK. I didn't flunk 6th grade. YMMV.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:34:10 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

It's "evidence" of nothing other than your habit of irrelevant
elaboration when you can't think of anything cogent.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right.

Is agreeing with yourself supposed to impress someone?

Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

Do you imagine that anyone seeking to evaluate a teacher would go to
the detention room and ask the opinion of an adult student who's there
for declaring that evolution theory posits that humans evolved from
monkeys?

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard. I'd read Leon Uris's "Battle Cry"
and Michner's "South Pacific" by then and my Dad was a WWII vet, a
SeaBee combat engineer on Guam. Mr. Birlson and I got things sorted
out OK.

LOL What did I just say about elaborating on the irrelevant?

I didn't flunk 6th grade. YMMV.

Sorry, but due to your habit of BSing and making excuses for BSers,
claims from you require corroboration.

Wayne

On Dec 16, 3:07*pm, wrote:

Sorry, but due to your habit of BSing and making excuses for BSers,
claims from you require corroboration.

Wayne

I corroborate his statement.

Dan

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)


My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:29:31 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Dec 16, 3:07*pm, wrote:

Sorry, but due to your habit of BSing and making excuses for BSers,
claims from you require corroboration.

Wayne

I corroborate his statement.

Dan

Well, that's a good start I suppose. Now all you need to do is get
gummer, buerste, hhc, patriot games, steveb, strabo and editor to sign
on as well. Then throw in a certified copy of don's 6th grade report
card and bob's your uncle.

Wayne

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

Nah, I was just trying to match Don inanity-for-inanity. When you list
shark-shooting as one of your teacher's defining behaviors, it's hard to
keep up. d8-)

(Do you suppose that bats consider nuns' habits to be a racist insult?)

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:56:16 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

Nah, I was just trying to match Don inanity-for-inanity. When you list
shark-shooting as one of your teacher's defining behaviors, it's hard to
keep up. d8-)

(Do you suppose that bats consider nuns' habits to be a racist insult?)

Dang, that's a hard one. If only the 3 year old, or the 5 year old
who's fluent in 5 languages, had Usenet accounts so we could ask them.
But only after I pay them each a quarter to test grandpa's disc drive
with a jam sandwich. :-)

BTW, check out this incontrovertible poll
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...0_of_grandsons
which backs up some of Don's claims.

Wayne

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter.
I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's
how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from
the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

Nah, I was just trying to match Don inanity-for-inanity. When you list
shark-shooting as one of your teacher's defining behaviors, it's hard to
keep up. d8-)

(Do you suppose that bats consider nuns' habits to be a racist insult?)

Dang, that's a hard one. If only the 3 year old, or the 5 year old
who's fluent in 5 languages, had Usenet accounts so we could ask them.
But only after I pay them each a quarter to test grandpa's disc drive
with a jam sandwich. :-)

BTW, check out this incontrovertible poll
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...0_of_grandsons
which backs up some of Don's claims.

Wayne

Right! That's the Lake Wobegon effect. It's big in the Midwest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wo...Wobegon_effect

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Now, that's a mental picture.

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My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang
upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

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No, but penguins are considering filing suit for defamation.

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(Do you suppose that bats consider nuns' habits to be a
racist insult?)

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Ah, that helps explain why my family is all above average.
You know, it reminds me of my uncle Ludwick, who was only a
generation away from the old country. Not being Mormon, he
worshipped most of the day at the coffee pot, while eating
sticky buns with the other hand. He was never privileged to
get married, though he did ask several women through the
decades. Helga, who lived down the street, was ammused by
the attentions. Being in her late eighties, and without any
teeth, Ludwick figured shed be the cheapest of all to keep
at home.

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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Right! That's the Lake Wobegon effect. It's big in the
Midwest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wo...Wobegon_effect

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Ah, but they do. they read Arabic news papers, and type the
English translations for the CIA. You can't tempt them with
anything less than. $100, or a plate of home made oatmeal
raisin cookies, with powdered sugar.

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Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Dang, that's a hard one. If only the 3 year old, or the 5
year old
who's fluent in 5 languages, had Usenet accounts so we
could ask them.
But only after I pay them each a quarter to test grandpa's
disc drive
with a jam sandwich. :-)

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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Now, that's a mental picture.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang
upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

--
Ed Huntress

You should have seen her after she got into the sacramental wine.

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Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:39:48 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Ah, but they do. they read Arabic news papers, and type the
English translations for the CIA. You can't tempt them with
anything less than. $100, or a plate of home made oatmeal
raisin cookies, with powdered sugar.

Could happen. Bella's daddy is fluent in Farsi and Urdu.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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Ah, that helps explain why my family is all above average.
You know, it reminds me of my uncle Ludwick, who was only a
generation away from the old country. Not being Mormon, he
worshipped most of the day at the coffee pot, while eating
sticky buns with the other hand. He was never privileged to
get married, though he did ask several women through the
decades. Helga, who lived down the street, was ammused by
the attentions. Being in her late eighties, and without any
teeth, Ludwick figured shed be the cheapest of all to keep
at home.

Ludwick must have been a practical man. However, Helga sounds like a horse
my uncle bought cheap and got what he paid for.

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

I wouldn't be any good at it either. Good teachers are rare.


My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

I suppose sixth-grade teachers do what they must to capture the
interest of their charges. Sister Mary obviously is memorable to you.

On 2009-12-17, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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Ah, that helps explain why my family is all above average.
You know, it reminds me of my uncle Ludwick, who was only a
generation away from the old country. Not being Mormon, he
worshipped most of the day at the coffee pot, while eating
sticky buns with the other hand. He was never privileged to
get married, though he did ask several women through the
decades. Helga, who lived down the street, was ammused by
the attentions. Being in her late eighties, and without any
teeth, Ludwick figured shed be the cheapest of all to keep
at home.

Ludwick must have been a practical man. However, Helga sounds like a horse
my uncle bought cheap and got what he paid for.


Possibly Helga nad not only no teeth, but also no gag reflex.

i

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:56:16 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

Nah, I was just trying to match Don inanity-for-inanity. When you list
shark-shooting as one of your teacher's defining behaviors, it's hard to
keep up. d8-)

Au contraire, I'd say you far surpassed me with the Sister Mary story.
Mine was fact while yours was fancy in response to the utter
irrelevance of my sixth-grade experience.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:31:56 -0700, wrote:



Dang, that's a hard one. If only the 3 year old, or the 5 year old
who's fluent in 5 languages, had Usenet accounts so we could ask them.
But only after I pay them each a quarter to test grandpa's disc drive
with a jam sandwich. :-)


Don't know much about kids, do ya Wayne?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:39:27 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


BTW, check out this incontrovertible poll
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...0_of_grandsons
which backs up some of Don's claims.

Wayne

Right! That's the Lake Wobegon effect. It's big in the Midwest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wo...Wobegon_effect

It is indeed.

I commend to your attention the Lake Wobegone Brass Band:
http://www.lwbb.org/

Son Dave is a brass musician and geek who does the LWBB website.
They've toured abroad in the UK where they were enthustically
received.

They are very, very good.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter. I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

I wouldn't be any good at it either. Good teachers are rare.


My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

I suppose sixth-grade teachers do what they must to capture the
interest of their charges. Sister Mary obviously is memorable to you.

She would be, except that I invented her yesterday. d8-)

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:56:16 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:02:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


Skin color is about irrelevant in London. It simply doesn't matter.
I
also have a daughter living in Hamtramck MI (a community surrounded
by Detroit) with grandkids who live in a very culturally-diverse
'hood. Katja, not yet 5, is child-fluent in five languages. That's
how
it works with wee children in a diverse 'hood Another daughter
lives in Brooklyn, NY. Williamsburg. Not black, strongly Hassidic
Jewish. Peaceful 'hood.

So what?

Merely evidence that you have no understanding of tolerance and
diversity.

BTW, in this discussion I view Ed as a 6th grade teacher with nearly
unlimited patience. By now though I expect he's willing to hold you
back for another year.

Yes, average 6th grade teacher is about right. Not an inspired
teacher, run of the mill or a bit less. Definitely not a docent.

sigh There goes my second career. d8-)

Don't sweat it. If you ever need a second career there's sure to be
something available that's more rewarding and better paying than
teaching the thick of skull. Such as, well, pretty much anything.

My 6th grade teacher was Mr. Birlson, a combat vet of WWII. I spent
some time in the back room with Mr. Birlson. I was a problem kid but
I came to respect him after hearing his war stories. He shot sharks
with an M1 carbine from shipboard.

My 6th grade teacher was Sister Mary. She could hang upside-down from
the
flag pole, which made her look just like a bat.

Whoa, way cool. But, no stories about the bat imitation being
inspirational on account of your just having read a Bram Stoker novel?
And what about the 2 foot centipedes? Surely Sister Mary shared some
tales about shooting the heads off those from a bucking alter? :-)

Wayne

Nah, I was just trying to match Don inanity-for-inanity. When you list
shark-shooting as one of your teacher's defining behaviors, it's hard to
keep up. d8-)

Au contraire, I'd say you far surpassed me with the Sister Mary story.
Mine was fact while yours was fancy in response to the utter
irrelevance of my sixth-grade experience.

I never was very good at writing fiction, but sometimes I can do a couple of
sentences.

I'm not going to ask why you brought up the shark-shooting in this case.
d8-)

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:46:22 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:31:56 -0700, wrote:



Dang, that's a hard one. If only the 3 year old, or the 5 year old
who's fluent in 5 languages, had Usenet accounts so we could ask them.
But only after I pay them each a quarter to test grandpa's disc drive
with a jam sandwich. :-)


Don't know much about kids, do ya Wayne?

At the very least I know a lot more about kids than you do about
writing coherent responses.

Wayne

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:39:27 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


BTW, check out this incontrovertible poll
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...0_of_grandsons
which backs up some of Don's claims.

Wayne

Right! That's the Lake Wobegon effect. It's big in the Midwest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wo...Wobegon_effect

It is indeed.

I commend to your attention the Lake Wobegone Brass Band:
http://www.lwbb.org/

Son Dave is a brass musician and geek who does the LWBB website.
They've toured abroad in the UK where they were enthustically
received.

They are very, very good.

That's a fine-looking band, Don.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:34 -0700, wrote:


The evolutionist view
suggests that we're all descended from monkeys.

No, it does not, nitwit.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li...faq/cat02.html

OK, ya got me on evolution accuracy there and "monkey" does seem to be
the term that some find offensive here -- though all objectors in this
thread are, I think, caucasian liberals. There's a huge distance
between moral high ground politically-correct pretense and honest
no-bull**** tolerance.

Your gratuitous insult "nitwit" noted. That may reinforce your
argument for the thick and slow whose opinion you may endeavor to
shape.

Do you have non-white neighbors near you? Probably not since you
live off-grid remotely. Does Ed? Possibly, what say you Ed?

Wayne, you don't know jack **** about tolerance and diversity any more
than pilgrim proper superior Ed.

I know to put myself in the place of the butt of the joke, and then
ask myself how I'd view it.

Exactly my point. Sharing the planet with others is not all about you
and your views. Tolerance involves acceptance of others whose views
and even values differ from yours. You don't have to agree with them
nor do they have to agree with you, but peaceful co-existance requires
bidirectional tolerance and that probably does not mean tolerance as
you might define it.

How Bella will view things when she is 12, or 18, will undoubtedly be
quite different from what you or Ed might expect, because she is
growing up in London. There are probably prejudices and issues that
we Americans don't understand but skin color seems to be about
irrelevant there.

gently and enjoyably among diverse others.

Says the guy who needs a carry-permit to go on his "enjoyable" walks.

That is a juvenile attempt at distortion and spin of info I've shared.
I have disclosed that I enjoy my daily outdoor 3-mile walks (sans your
quotation marks) and that I'm a senior citizen licensed to carry a
pistol. Make of that what you might. I may have considerably more
respect than you do for the intellect of readers of this NG.