So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?

"Dave" wrote in message
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So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?


Arkansas soft for roughing-out carbon steel knives and chisels. Arkansas
hard for final sharpening of chisels and carbon knives, and touching up
edges on cutters and drills.

Diamond 'lap' hone for SS knives and agressive material removal on soft
metals.

Porcelain lap for honing woodworking chisels.

LLoyd

"Dave" wrote
So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?


Arkansas soft for roughing-out carbon steel knives and chisels. Arkansas
hard for final sharpening of chisels and carbon knives, and touching up
edges on cutters and drills.

Diamond 'lap' hone for SS knives and agressive material removal on soft
metals.

Porcelain lap for honing woodworking chisels.

LLoyd

Damn, I hate Roadrunner!
LLoyd

"Dave" wrote
So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?

Old carborundom stones for real junk -- e.g., axes, kitchen knives, etc.
Old oil stone for ditto but honing.

Soft (brown), medium (black), white (hard) Arkansas stones in various
configurations (slip, cone, flat, wedge, cylinder) + regular 2x8" for honing
metal cutting tools.

Japanese water stones:: `1500, 3000, 6000 for woodworking tools.

Water stones are generally better than Arkansas in terms of creating a great
edge, but are frankly a pain to prepare and use. Makes a whole production
out of sharpening. Makes a real difference for woodworking tools (e.g.,
chisels, plane blades, carving knives) where ultra-sharp is appreciated ...
in fact, essential.
The Arkansas are what I use most. Near the work bench. Works great on
engraving gravers, tiny chisels, dental picks, and getting the last n'th out
of lathe bits. I find that the Arkansas stones work really well with spit.

Boris

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Damn, I hate Roadrunner!

Is it Roadrunner or Outlaw Exploder? I suspect the later.

Ted

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Damn, I hate Roadrunner!

Is it Roadrunner or Outlaw Exploder? I suspect the later.

RR.... my news feed works fine on Earthlink, but we have RR at the office.

LLoyd

"Scary Sharp". DAGS for "Scary Sharp", but here's a starter page:
http://woodbutcher.net/scary.htm

Basically you use sandpaper to do your sharpening. Very inexpensive and
effective. With the right sharpening jig, it's not a problem to sharpen
knives, etc...

I have a couple of stones and some leather strops made from old belts
that get used on occasion, but if I want to do a good job sharpening
something, it's Scary Sharpened.

Now that I think of it, sometimes I'll use a belt sander, grinder or
Foredom tool to rough out an edge on a new knife, too.

~Jeff P.

On 21 Nov 2005 15:10:36 -0800, wrote:

"Scary Sharp". DAGS for "Scary Sharp", but here's a starter page:
http://woodbutcher.net/scary.htm

Basically you use sandpaper to do your sharpening. Very inexpensive and
effective. With the right sharpening jig, it's not a problem to sharpen
knives, etc...

I have a couple of stones and some leather strops made from old belts
that get used on occasion, but if I want to do a good job sharpening
something, it's Scary Sharpened.

Now that I think of it, sometimes I'll use a belt sander, grinder or
Foredom tool to rough out an edge on a new knife, too.

~Jeff P.

Still got that 6x48 belt/12" disk sander waiting for you to come back
up.

G

Gunner


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of defense." --Walter Williams

"Ted Edwards" wrote in message
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Damn, I hate Roadrunner!

Is it Roadrunner or Outlaw Exploder? I suspect the later.

Ted

I thought it was outhouse express.

Boris Beizer wrote:
"Dave" wrote
So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?

Old carborundom stones for real junk -- e.g., axes, kitchen knives, etc.
Old oil stone for ditto but honing.

Soft (brown), medium (black), white (hard) Arkansas stones in various
configurations (slip, cone, flat, wedge, cylinder) + regular 2x8" for honing
metal cutting tools.

Japanese water stones:: `1500, 3000, 6000 for woodworking tools.

Water stones are generally better than Arkansas in terms of creating a great
edge, but are frankly a pain to prepare and use. Makes a whole production
out of sharpening. Makes a real difference for woodworking tools (e.g.,
chisels, plane blades, carving knives) where ultra-sharp is appreciated ...
in fact, essential.

The Arkansas are what I use most. Near the work bench. Works great on
engraving gravers, tiny chisels, dental picks, and getting the last n'th out
of lathe bits. I find that the Arkansas stones work really well with spit.

Boris

How do you keep stones flat?. Also where does lapping with grinding
compound fit into the overall picture?

Surface grinder.
Lapping machine.
Lots of care and not deep pressure grinding.
Keep clean - prevent buildup.
Use Kerosene to clean - water and soap might destroy the binder in the stone if artificial.

Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Dave wrote:
Boris Beizer wrote:

"Dave" wrote

So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?

Old carborundom stones for real junk -- e.g., axes, kitchen knives, etc.
Old oil stone for ditto but honing.

Soft (brown), medium (black), white (hard) Arkansas stones in various
configurations (slip, cone, flat, wedge, cylinder) + regular 2x8" for honing
metal cutting tools.

Japanese water stones:: `1500, 3000, 6000 for woodworking tools.

Water stones are generally better than Arkansas in terms of creating a great
edge, but are frankly a pain to prepare and use. Makes a whole production
out of sharpening. Makes a real difference for woodworking tools (e.g.,
chisels, plane blades, carving knives) where ultra-sharp is appreciated ...
in fact, essential.

The Arkansas are what I use most. Near the work bench. Works great on
engraving gravers, tiny chisels, dental picks, and getting the last n'th out
of lathe bits. I find that the Arkansas stones work really well with spit.

Boris


How do you keep stones flat?. Also where does lapping with grinding
compound fit into the overall picture?


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Dave wrote:
So what is the typical stone and hone collection here and why do you
reach for one rather than the other?

What are you sharpening? I use a belt grinder for heavy shaping and
gouge and chip removal, e.g. lawn mower blades. Files for axes and the
like. Diamond hones for kitchen knives and casual edge shapening. The
diamond hones are Eze-Lap plates, solid steel backing, they stay flat.
I use india slips for woodworking chisels and gouges, sharpening wood
augers and the like. For plane blades, I use the extra fine diamond
hone if it's dull, then switch to a black Arkansas for final edge. For
gunsmithing, I''ve got a collection of Arkansas and black Arkansas slip
stones, along with some ceramic stones. These last are quite expensive
now.

I've never had a problem with keeping stones flat, you just have to
know how to use them.

Diamonds cut very fast. Black Arkansas leave a nice finish but aren't
as fast for metal removal. The others are somewhere in-between. India
slips can be had in a wide variety of shapes, good for odd blade shapes
on carving tools. What I use depends on how much material has to be
removed and what the final use is for the edge or surface.

Stan