Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

I bought this from my local hardware store about 8 years
ago and cannot for the life of me decide what to do with
the thing.

Should I Ebay it to the highest bidder of mismarked hand
tools? Donate it to the Smithsonian? Mail it back to the
fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?

Any suggestion (that doesn't require me to file off the
sharp edges first) would be welcome.


Muchas gracias


--Winston

Winston wrote:
Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

I bought this from my local hardware store about 8 years
ago and cannot for the life of me decide what to do with
the thing.

Should I Ebay it to the highest bidder of mismarked hand
tools? Donate it to the Smithsonian? Mail it back to the
fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?

Any suggestion (that doesn't require me to file off the
sharp edges first) would be welcome.


Muchas gracias


--Winston

Well if they still make identical (and I mean identical) sockets, just
buy a new one that is the right size, switch it with the one that is the
wrong size, and return for a refund. If they don't make identical
sockets then use this as part of a unique paper weight (have something
snapy engraved on the paper weight like "Quality Control is important").
Ken

Sounds like he has a real collector's item there. Almost as good as a
two headed nickle.
Bugs

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:47:13 -0800, Winston
wrote:

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

Might fit a rusted 1-1/16" bolt head though. And it's somewhere near
26 mm should you encounter something metric.

Me I'm a packrat, I never throw out a wrench in case I may someday
encounter something it fits. That's why some of the open-ends in my
toolbox have BSW on them

Winston wrote:
Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.



Stop whining, you got more than you paid for, didn't you. G

Jeff


--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Winston wrote:

... Mail it back to the fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?
....

Yes, with a nice note. Don't go ranting about what ****ty products they
sell. But let them know that you've been put out: "Boy, I struggled
with this thing, trying to fit it on the 1 1/16 bolt and finally gave up
and measured it. I never did get that bolt off." They might comp you
with something nice. It's worth a try.

Bob

Some of the stores I do business with will start out by suggesting that it
was the right size when they sold it, and I must have done something to it.

Bob Engelhardt wrote:

Winston wrote:

... Mail it back to the fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?

...

Yes, with a nice note. Don't go ranting about what ****ty products they
sell. But let them know that you've been put out: "Boy, I struggled
with this thing, trying to fit it on the 1 1/16 bolt and finally gave up
and measured it. I never did get that bolt off." They might comp you
with something nice. It's worth a try.

Bob

I vote for this too. It has three benefits:

1. the offensive item disappears from your shop and no matter what it's GONE
2. the company will have an opportunity to improve their processes
3. they might send you something free

GWE

Winston wrote in article
...
Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

I bought this from my local hardware store about 8 years
ago and cannot for the life of me decide what to do with
the thing.

Should I Ebay it to the highest bidder of mismarked hand
tools? Donate it to the Smithsonian? Mail it back to the
fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?

Any suggestion (that doesn't require me to file off the
sharp edges first) would be welcome.


Muchas gracias


--Winston


Not sure what - if any - value the Smithsonian might place on such a tool,
but I would probably toss it into my box of adapters to use with my
hydraulic press.

Winston wrote in article
...

(...)

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

(...)

Ken Mentioned:
(Swap for a refund)

Nah. Then I wouldn't have a nifty conversation piece as you
mention later in your post.

(...) then use this as part of a unique paper weight (have
something snapy engraved on the paper weight like "Quality
Control is important").
Ken

I *like* it. At last an opportunity to have something plated
with gold!


Bob said:
(Return it in hopes of a nice gift.)

I would expect the same deafening silence that occurs when
I send a poorly designed Japanese product to Japan.
(Yes I did. With a letter and everything.)


GWE stated:
(I agree with Bob. Get it out of there!)

But I see the appeal in Ken's idea.
It might be more valuable as a keepsake reminder that "even
the pro's get it wrong, sometimes".


Bugs observed:
(Keep it. It's valuable because it's unusual.)

I just might, Bugs.


John Ings chuckled:
(Keep it. Heck, I still have my *Whitworth* wrenches.)

The name Whitworth reminds me of a certain BSA B50T that
owned me for a few years. (Shudder). But I digress.

Nah. Either it gets gold plated and mounted to a piece
of hardwood in my office or it leaves the building.


Bob Paulin insisted:
(...) I would probably toss it into my box of adapters to
use with my hydraulic press.

Yeah, but I don't wanna be in the position of being fooled
twice by the same tool. (for a change)


Thanks guys. You've given me good options.

--Winston

Winston wrote:
....
Bob said:
(Return it in hopes of a nice gift.)

I would expect the same deafening silence that occurs when
I send a poorly designed Japanese product to Japan.
(Yes I did. With a letter and everything.)
.....

But this is made-in-the-USA (er, ... I think). At least I would expect
that they'd send you a real 1 1/16 socket. You never know. I once
found a couple of neat pocket calculators at the dump, destroyed by
leaking batteries. I sent them to Duracell, with a nice note about
their guarantee. They wrote back saying "Well, these batteries are 20
years old and we don't cover that. BUT, in the interest of good
consumer relations, here's a $25 check and $6 of coupons for new
batteries." I'd give it a shot, the alternatives leave me cold.

Bob
(BTW, for value reference: 1 1/16 deep Allen socket is $11.59 he
http://doityourself.com/store/5103031.htm)

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Winston wrote:
...

Bob said:
(Return it in hopes of a nice gift.)

I would expect the same deafening silence that occurs when
I send a poorly designed Japanese product to Japan.
(Yes I did. With a letter and everything.)

....

But this is made-in-the-USA (er, ... I think). At least I would expect
that they'd send you a real 1 1/16 socket. You never know. I once
found a couple of neat pocket calculators at the dump, destroyed by
leaking batteries. I sent them to Duracell, with a nice note about
their guarantee. They wrote back saying "Well, these batteries are 20
years old and we don't cover that. BUT, in the interest of good
consumer relations, here's a $25 check and $6 of coupons for new
batteries." I'd give it a shot, the alternatives leave me cold.

Bob
(BTW, for value reference: 1 1/16 deep Allen socket is $11.59 he
http://doityourself.com/store/5103031.htm)

Thanks again, Bob.

I shall consider that.

--Winston

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Winston wrote:

Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.
(...)

Stop whining, you got more than you paid for, didn't you. G

Jeff, you a stock broker or something?

Since when is 1.0 1.0625?

(Smirk)

--Winston

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:47:13 -0800, Winston
wrote:

Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

I bought this from my local hardware store about 8 years
ago and cannot for the life of me decide what to do with
the thing.

Should I Ebay it to the highest bidder of mismarked hand
tools? Donate it to the Smithsonian? Mail it back to the
fine folks at
http://www.danaher.com/business/stra...ion.asp?key=46 ?

Any suggestion (that doesn't require me to file off the
sharp edges first) would be welcome.

I keep odd sockets for their square holes. The socket part can be cut
off, and the square-drive part then welded to other devices rather
than trying to make a square hole. For example: square key stock
and a square hole makes a makeshift spline that can transmit rotation
while having axial freedom.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:47:13 -0800, Winston
wrote:


I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
('Bout 1.014")
It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
imagine.

I have a nice, new, shiney SnapOn 3/8 box/open end wrench.

Only problem is..its 1/4" on both ends.

I hang on to it simply to remind me that even The Gods step in dog
**** now and then.

Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
SNIP|
| Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
| nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
| ('Bout 1.014")
| It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
| imagine.
|
| I have a nice, new, shiney SnapOn 3/8 box/open end wrench.
|
| Only problem is..its 1/4" on both ends.
|
| I hang on to it simply to remind me that even The Gods step in dog
| **** now and then.
|
| Gunner

I can easily see how all this happens. The tools are punched out (or
forged) in batches with no markings on them. After that other processes
occur and then the markings are engraved. In the meantime they spend time
bouncing in and out of steel totes. I calibrated a scale at a place that
made sockets and the scale was jammed and littered with sockets of all
kinds. Shoulda thought to toss them in my tool box as they seemed to me to
be better there than still in the scale. Due to the investment, most makers
do tools for lots of other brands, however, the Snap On rep swore up and
down that Snap On makes their tools only and for no one else. Not sure I
believe that, but they do sell lines that look obviously like other
companies' equipment.....

Winston wrote:

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Winston wrote:

Hi guys and gals-

I have in front of me a 12 point, deep, 1/2" drive socket
stamped very neatly 'Allen USA 1-1/16 12269'.

(...)

Stop whining, you got more than you paid for, didn't you. G


Jeff, you a stock broker or something?

Since when is 1.0 1.0625?

(Smirk)

--Winston



Arrgh! (Falling on my sword...)

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:33:09 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

I have a nice, new, shiney SnapOn 3/8 box/open end wrench.

"shiny"


Only problem is..its 1/4" on both ends.

I hang on to it simply to remind me that even The Gods step in dog
**** now and then.

No, put it up on Ebay for sale as a collector's item with a $25,000
reserve. You'll make a MINT!

Let it expire and run it a couple times per year until you get a bite.
Hook it and reel, bubba!


================================================== ========
I drank WHAT? + http://www.diversify.com
--Socrates + Web Application Programming

Snap-On buys tools from other manufacturers as well as making tool lines
for others as well.

For instance the original Kobalt line at Loews was Snap-On made, They
didn't sell a lot of tools and decided to go to a lower cost provider.
The current line is made by Stanley tool. They are the same as the
Stanley Professional line sold in other stores. Just stamped Kobalt.

--
Steve Williams

"carl mciver" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
SNIP|
| Only problem is that it is a 1" socket that measures very
| nearly the same across the flats as my other 1" sockets.
| ('Bout 1.014")
| It will not fit on a 1-1/16" bolt head, as you can
| imagine.
|
| I have a nice, new, shiney SnapOn 3/8 box/open end wrench.
|
| Only problem is..its 1/4" on both ends.
|
| I hang on to it simply to remind me that even The Gods step in dog
| **** now and then.
|
| Gunner

I can easily see how all this happens. The tools are punched out
(or
forged) in batches with no markings on them. After that other
processes
occur and then the markings are engraved. In the meantime they spend
time
bouncing in and out of steel totes. I calibrated a scale at a place
that
made sockets and the scale was jammed and littered with sockets of all
kinds. Shoulda thought to toss them in my tool box as they seemed to
me to
be better there than still in the scale. Due to the investment, most
makers
do tools for lots of other brands, however, the Snap On rep swore up
and
down that Snap On makes their tools only and for no one else. Not
sure I
believe that, but they do sell lines that look obviously like other
companies' equipment.....




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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
I once
found a couple of neat pocket calculators at the dump, destroyed by
leaking batteries. I sent them to Duracell, with a nice note about
their guarantee. They wrote back saying "Well, these batteries are 20
years old and we don't cover that. BUT, in the interest of good
consumer relations, here's a $25 check and $6 of coupons for new
batteries."

You've just redefined chutzpah! G

(The best example of chutzpah I'd come across previously is murdering
your parents and then appealing for clemency on the grounds that you are
an orphan. Your tale topped that!)

Jeff

--

Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Winston
wrote back on Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:22:34 -0800 in
rec.crafts.metalworking :

Ken Mentioned:
(Swap for a refund)

Nah. Then I wouldn't have a nifty conversation piece as you
mention later in your post.

(...) then use this as part of a unique paper weight (have
something snapy engraved on the paper weight like "Quality
Control is important").

Make sure that part of that is misspelled.

tschus
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."