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Metal Pole for Eagle Scout Project
Hello Everybody!
I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com |
Why does it have to be metal, the siren in my town sits atop a telephone
pole? Just a thought, I would think that a telephone pole would more readily available. Searcher1 |
I take it that you figured out the 3 phase issues for this project?
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wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com Have you done the proper required spotted owl impact study for this project yet? The feds are going to ask you. Steve ;-) |
Hi All,
Yes JW, I want to thank everyone for their help again. We reached an agreement with APS. We already had a pole for the siren at the fire house that wasn't being used, so that was perfect, but it was estimated to cost $15,000 to bring 3 phase out to it. So we compromised and agreed with APS to bring the siren closer to the three phase power that existed at a well, and move it away from the fire station to the location of the well, and they agreed upon those terms to donate the rest should we do that. So before a pole wasn't an issue, but now it is. I suspect it will be easier than finding the three phase power. Thanks again everyone for your help on that issue and your help on this one! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com |
By the way the city told us it had to be metal, not wood. They said
wood is too dangerous for a 2,700lbs siren that rotates. They said it had been done in the past before, and had worked, but it was just one of those things where they said that we have to use metal to get city approval. They said wood splinters, and has been known to fail before. So a wooden pole would be simple, I agree, but it is just regulations we must follow. |
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SteveB wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com Have you done the proper required spotted owl impact study for this project yet? The feds are going to ask you. Steve ;-) Kidding. He thinks he's kidding. --RC |
"Rick Cook" wrote in message ink.net... SteveB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. I think there is some oil production in Arizona, You might try one of the oil companies to see if you could scrounge a bit of surface casing pipe. I think its about 13 5/8 inches dia.They usually have to cut off some to suit the depth of the surface hole so you might be able to convinve them that it would be a good bit of local public relations. They could even puyt a plack on it saying that they had sponsored it. Tom The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com Have you done the proper required spotted owl impact study for this project yet? The feds are going to ask you. Steve ;-) Kidding. He thinks he's kidding. --RC |
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wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com Others have made good suggestions (water and oil drilling companies). You might try the utility (APS). I am sure they use metal poles in some of their construction. Ask the right person, and you might get one donated. Charles Perry P.E. |
In article , Gunner says...
Rather than a pole..Id suggest a tripod. Absolutely. 2700 lbs is about a nissan sentra, right? That's a piece of hardware floating in the sky. Even if he cannot manage to find somebody to install the poles at an angle to make a tetrahedron, three of them with crossbars and braces would be a lot better than just one support. Basically a super-huge version of a three-sided antenna mast, with the braces on the side to make each side into a truss. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
How about a 6" square 40' tall light pole (steel)? $100....you haul!
Mike Tucson, Az. wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com |
skrev i en meddelelse ups.com... Hello Everybody! The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Steel reinforced concrete block.. Can be "assembled" on site.. Just need to get a crane to the site to lift the siren up there.. Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren.. /peter |
"Rick Cook" wrote in message ink.net... SteveB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com Have you done the proper required spotted owl impact study for this project yet? The feds are going to ask you. Steve ;-) Kidding. He thinks he's kidding. --RC I believe it was in Oregon or Washington, there was a big flap about cutting down trees and endangering the spotted owl nesting sites. Then they found some nested in an abandoned K Mart sign. Be sure to put some screening on it so they can't nest in there. Or some low flying spotted crested Dolly Parton titmouse can't fly in there and hurt themselves. Ouch! Steve |
Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren..
A Chrysler Victory Siren (http://www.victorysiren.com) is around 5000 lbs (including the hemi engine powering it). 2700 lbs is by no means puny! Not something you put on a "pole"... Tim. |
"Tim Shoppa" wrote in message oups.com... Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren.. A Chrysler Victory Siren (http://www.victorysiren.com) is around 5000 lbs (including the hemi engine powering it). 2700 lbs is by no means puny! Not something you put on a "pole"... Tim. My 2 door soft top geo tracker is 2600#. That must be a big honker! Pat |
wrote in message ups.com... Hello Everybody! I am working on my Eagle Scout project for the Boy Scouts of America and I am looking for a metal pole. I am going to set up a civil defense siren in northern Arizona. They are currently experiencing droughts and forest fires every summer. This is for a small rural community that is in danger of fire. This would allow for a rapid evacuation should one be necessary. We have the siren donated, and most of the other materials we will need. We are currently looking for a metal pole now, and I wondered if anyone had a surplus metal pole, knew of where I could find a surplus or used metal pole, or someone who might have information in general about metal poles of this caliber, useful information that I can use in my search. The siren weighs 2,700lbs. The metal pole needs to be able to withstand that much weight. The siren will rotate causing a vibration motion. The minimum height the pole needs to be is 6 feet per government regulations, however the taller the pole is the farther the sound carries, thus allowing it to do a better job! Thank you for your help! Jkeagle13 (at) aol (dot) com I have an old city light pole in my back yard you can have. However I'm a far distance from you as I live in Washington state. Lane |
"Tim Shoppa" wrote in message oups.com... Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren.. A Chrysler Victory Siren (http://www.victorysiren.com) is around 5000 lbs (including the hemi engine powering it). 2700 lbs is by no means puny! Not something you put on a "pole"... Tim. I had no idea such a thing existed. Man, the things you learn here. Thanks. Lane |
"Tim Shoppa" skrev i en meddelelse oups.com... Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren.. A Chrysler Victory Siren (http://www.victorysiren.com) is around 5000 lbs (including the hemi engine powering it). 2700 lbs is by no means puny! Not something you put on a "pole"... WHOA!... Where can I get one of those?... I need something to bother the people next door :-) /peter |
I think that if you mount it on a vehicle, you could not only bother
people, but outright demolish their houses with this device. Seriously. It definitely beats the guy who stole an M-1 tank and rode over a bunch of other cars... Naw, that was kinda cool in a weird way, also the guy with the bullet proofed, dozer. Hey, who hasn't thought about doing something like that. But being the "civilized" people that we are, most of us don't. Thank goodness! Lane |
In article , Q says...
WHOA!... Where can I get one of those?... I need something to bother the people next door :-) "Bother" in this means something a lot different than usual. "Hmm. Let's see. Slice, Dice, Chop, Grate, Mince, Puree, ah - here's the correct setting: PULVERIZE." Set siren to 'pulverize.' Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Q" wrote: "Tim Shoppa" skrev i en meddelelse oups.com... Btw.. 2700 lbs sounds like a HUGE siren.. A Chrysler Victory Siren (http://www.victorysiren.com) is around 5000 lbs (including the hemi engine powering it). 2700 lbs is by no means puny! Not something you put on a "pole"... WHOA!... Where can I get one of those?... I need something to bother the people next door :-) Errr... Next door to where? Pluto? :) -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:20:29 -0800, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
copperaccents dot com wrote: I think that if you mount it on a vehicle, you could not only bother people, but outright demolish their houses with this device. Seriously. It definitely beats the guy who stole an M-1 tank and rode over a bunch of other cars... Naw, that was kinda cool in a weird way, also the guy with the bullet proofed, dozer. Hey, who hasn't thought about doing something like that. But being the "civilized" people that we are, most of us don't. Thank goodness! Lane "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael |
Lane wrote:
I think that if you mount it on a vehicle, you could not only bother people, but outright demolish their houses with this device. Seriously. It definitely beats the guy who stole an M-1 tank and rode over a bunch of other cars... Naw, that was kinda cool in a weird way, also the guy with the bullet proofed, dozer. Hey, who hasn't thought about doing something like that. But being the "civilized" people that we are, most of us don't. Thank goodness! Lane Along with stress, civilization is also what you get when you suppress the perfectly natural urge to choke the living **** out of some asshole who really, truly, _desperately_ needs it. There are penalties attached to this civilization thing. --RC |
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