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OT - Are there ANY metalworking newsgroups around????
I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0600, Bob Paulin wrote:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I don't know what Microsoft Internet News version 4 has for killfiles, but you might want to download something like Forte Free Agent which has excellent filtering. You can block by keywords in subject (like OT  , or by sender, etc.Dave Hinz |
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Dave sez:
"I don't know what Microsoft Internet News version 4 has for killfiles, but you might want to download something like Forte Free Agent which has excellent filtering. You can block by keywords in subject (like OT , or by sender, etc."Whiners don't want to filter that which they can **** and moan about. It would rob them off a pitiful need for recognition. So there! See, you made me respond thus fulfilling my own pitiful need for recognition. Bob Swinney "Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0600, Bob Paulin wrote: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... Dave Hinz |
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On 1 Feb 2005 17:01:26 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0600, Bob Paulin wrote: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I don't know what Microsoft Internet News version 4 has for killfiles, but you might want to download something like Forte Free Agent which has excellent filtering. You can block by keywords in subject (like OT , or by sender, etc.Dave Hinz Unfortunately Free Agent doesn't have killfiles (filters). More correctly, it has them for the first 30 days but after that they quit working. If you want filters you've got to buy Agent. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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So Bob, What do you want to discuss about metalworking? The standards a
* Speeds and feed rates of tools. * Tool inserts and geometry for cuts * What drills to buy * What taps and dies to use * Bandsaw blades * Bridgeport related questions * Harbor Freight crap Please limit your posts to these topics unless you have special dispensation. "Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... |
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Don't forget:
- 3-In-1 or separate machines? - Mill-drill or real mill? - Which is better - Logan-SB-Atlas-Clausing-etc ? - how do I stop the chattering when parting off? - What kind of oil should I use on my lathe? Tom Gardner wrote: So Bob, What do you want to discuss about metalworking? The standards a * Speeds and feed rates of tools. * Tool inserts and geometry for cuts * What drills to buy * What taps and dies to use * Bandsaw blades * Bridgeport related questions * Harbor Freight crap Please limit your posts to these topics unless you have special dispensation. "Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... |
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In article , Rex B "" wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070805060300030905040206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget: - 3-In-1 or separate machines? - Mill-drill or real mill? - Which is better - Logan-SB-Atlas-Clausing-etc ? The one which you can get at a reasonable price in reasonable condition. In my case, it was a Clausing, but most of the others (in a similar size) would be acceptable. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... Sure, there are OT and trolls here as in any other newsgroup. Filter or ignore!!! RR |
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Bob Paulin wrote:
I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... Taking your post as serious, this is a serious answer: Try: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ It's a BBS system, so the format is a bit different from a usenet group, but there are some advantages to that, such as the ability for posters to add a photo or two right in their posts rather than having to use and refer to the rcm drop box or another location. Also, I haven't often noticed much digression from the original posters topics, threads seem to stay on point. In my lurking and occasional posting there I've found it's populated by some very knowledgeable metalworkers. Different strokes for different folks I guess, you may find the lack of OT subjects there more to your liking, so as I remember the Brits saying, "suck it and see." Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
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In article , Jeff Wisnia says...
Different strokes for different folks I guess, you may find the lack of OT subjects there more to your liking, I think that many of the folks here, that don't go there, avoid that group for one simple reason: they cannot stand the thought that their own OT posts might be frowned upon by the moderators. I know for a fact that *my* posting style is different between the two locations! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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jim rozen wrote: In article , Jeff Wisnia says... Different strokes for different folks I guess, you may find the lack of OT subjects there more to your liking, I think that many of the folks here, that don't go there, avoid that group for one simple reason: they cannot stand the thought that their own OT posts might be frowned upon by the moderators. *I* don't go there for the simple reason that I don't care for web-based fora. While I guess that I could *read* there, I would never *post* there, so what is the point of just lurking? And I don't think that you could say that I do a lot of off-topic posting. (Unless you consider posting in reply to questions about computer problems. :-) Or -- my occasional participation in this type of thread. I know for a fact that *my* posting style is different between the two locations! So is mine -- to the extent that mine is non-existent on the other. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... Take a look at this site------friendly people with almost no flaming-----it's discouraged------- and off colored comments are generally removed. http://www.chaski.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?Cat Harold |
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In article 01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race, Bob Paulin says...
appreciate it if anybody could help.... Your wait is over. Link to this site: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi The off-topic chatter is relegated to the manufacturing section for the most part. Because most of the rest of the board is moderated, they don't tolerate the cliff-like nonsense. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 1 Feb 2005 14:05:09 -0800, jim rozen wrote:
In article 01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race, Bob Paulin says... appreciate it if anybody could help.... Your wait is over. Link to this site: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi The off-topic chatter is relegated to the manufacturing section for the most part. Because most of the rest of the board is moderated, they don't tolerate the cliff-like nonsense. Thing is, whatever this "cliff" thing is, is obviously easily enough filtered with a simple killfile entry. Why would someone want to go to a site that may just vanish some day, when filtering out most of the trollish behavior is trivially simple? |
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On 1 Feb 2005 22:29:08 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:05:09 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article 01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race, Bob Paulin says... appreciate it if anybody could help.... Your wait is over. Link to this site: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi The off-topic chatter is relegated to the manufacturing section for the most part. Because most of the rest of the board is moderated, they don't tolerate the cliff-like nonsense. Thing is, whatever this "cliff" thing is, is obviously easily enough filtered with a simple killfile entry. Why would someone want to go to a site that may just vanish some day, when filtering out most of the trollish behavior is trivially simple? Yeah, Filtering works very well. I don't mind some political speech. My friends know I'm very interested in politics. But when you get these folks so far to the right or left posting driveI find that filters work quite well. ERS |
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In article , Dave Hinz says...
Thing is, whatever this "cliff" thing is, is obviously easily enough filtered with a simple killfile entry. Why would someone want to go to a site that may just vanish some day, when filtering out most of the trollish behavior is trivially simple? I don't filter stuff on usenet because a lot of the OT stuff is of interest to me. There's more to this than strictly metalworking as other's have realized. RCM is mostly akin to the old time pickel barrel where like-minded folks hang out and discuss all kinds of topics besides metalworking - but you know that for the most part the discussion is going on between those of a similar background. Because of this the excursions into OT sometimes swing back around on a different technical topic. I enjoy the free-wheeling aspect of rcm so I maintain a presence here. The practicalmachinist group is much more tightly focussed, even broken down into subgroups. It's real to-the-point and because it's moderated there's no crap there to wade though. For the real toolhead I think it has a slight edge on rcm for content, especially if one measures *total* posts, not just filtered ones. Will it be there forever? Ha ha. Do I care? No. Both of these groups have their place. But the orignal question, "is there a discussion group that has no political banter and a lot of metalworking" can be trivially solved by linking to that site. It's what he wants, so I gave it to him. He wasn't asking "how do I filter usenet posts." No matter how sensible a question that is. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On 1 Feb 2005 14:05:09 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article 01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race, Bob Paulin says... appreciate it if anybody could help.... Your wait is over. Link to this site: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi The off-topic chatter is relegated to the manufacturing section for the most part. Because most of the rest of the board is moderated, they don't tolerate the cliff-like nonsense. Thing is, whatever this "cliff" thing is, is obviously easily enough filtered with a simple killfile entry. Why would someone want to go to a site that may just vanish some day, when filtering out most of the trollish behavior is trivially simple? That works for "Cliff's" posts but doesn't help at all for the (usually) many responses. I suppose that one could start to filter by topic or mark threads to be ignored but it's easier and quicker for me to just highlight the posts I'm not interested in, mark them as read, and then move on. I suspect, though, that the OP is just interested in a newsgroup or forum that has a much higher S/N ratio than this one, at least as he defines the S and N. Practical Machinist is probably a good candidate for him, so long as he doesn't mind the web-based interface. Mike |
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In article , Mike Henry says...
That works for "Cliff's" posts but doesn't help at all for the (usually) many responses. True if killfiling by poster. The cliff-moron deliberately crossposts the OT crap so that folks in other ngs show up here on rcm, when their newsreaders don't single-group reply. Crosspost trolling is actually a violation of most providers' service agreements. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 2 Feb 2005 04:58:36 -0800, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Mike Henry says... That works for "Cliff's" posts but doesn't help at all for the (usually) many responses. True if killfiling by poster. The cliff-moron deliberately crossposts the OT crap so that folks in other ngs show up here on rcm, when their newsreaders don't single-group reply. Ah. Another tactic I use, is that if a post is crossposted to 3 or more groups, I don't see it. Killfile rule is based on two or more , in the newsgroups: line. I suppose it's _possible_ that a legitimate message could be posted to 3 or more groups and be on-topic for all of them, but I never saw one; just trolling. I'm willing to miss an occasional theoretical post, to improve my S:N ratio. Dave Hinz |
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jim rozen wrote: In article , Mike Henry says... That works for "Cliff's" posts but doesn't help at all for the (usually) many responses. True if killfiling by poster. The cliff-moron deliberately crossposts the OT crap so that folks in other ngs show up here on rcm, when their newsreaders don't single-group reply. And it *is* possible, on a good newsreader, to automatically killfile postings to selected other newsgroups (e.g. the survivalism one, where I won't see a cross-posted thread from there until someone does a followup purely in this newsgroup). It is also possible, on a good newsreader, to killfile based on the number of newsgroups to which it is cross-posted, by scoring on the number of commas in the "Newsgroups: " header line. Crosspost trolling is actually a violation of most providers' service agreements. Agreed. I'm totally refusing to accept articles from the "alt.net" news server (it helps to run your own news server), which eliminates a large number of trolls -- and also happens to eliminate ignoramussome-number-which-I-forget since he moved to there. The end result is that I see a thread originated by him with a lot of holes in it -- one for each time he posts. It makes it fun to try to follow what he is doing based on only the quoted text in followups. Since I don't really approve of him dismantling the nice Best FerrUPS, perhaps this is just as well. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... I suggest that you learn how to use your computer (filters, killfiles, ignore buttons, delete buttons, block sender functions, etc.) before going into something dangerous like metalworking. HTH Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote in message news  9YLd.5352$mt.465@fed1read03..."Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... I suggest that you learn how to use your computer (filters, killfiles, ignore buttons, delete buttons, block sender functions, etc.) before going into something dangerous like metalworking. HTH Steve Chuckle! I mastered machining long ago, and if I must say so myself, earned the respect of not only my peers, but my tutors. I'm still totally lost with computers. I'm not convinced that knowing how to run one would lend itself to anyone's skills at the handles. Harold |
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Harold sez: "I'm still totally lost with
computers. I'm not convinced that knowing how to run one would lend itself to anyone's skills at the handles." Not to worry, Harold! Running computers is a lot like smoking: That is, a chance for those with a question about their "self esteem" to try something that is peer-approved. As with smoking, any success no matter how small, is self-validating and before long they become addicted. I mean - it *is* the thing to do, right? Why, even great universities offer degrees in it. No more having to learn all that hard stuff - memorize the locations of enough plastic pads on a key board and they'll call you "Engineer"! Bob Swinney |
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In article , Robert Swinney says...
... - memorize the locations of enough plastic pads on a key board and they'll call you "Engineer"! Hey. I resemble that remark!! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message news 9YLd.5352$mt.465@fed1read03..."Bob Paulin" wrote in message news:01c5087d$fb8bbb20$55a3c3d8@race... I don't want........ rec.crafts.metalworking.politics OR alt.metalworking.flaming just plain metalworking....... I realize that metalworking is a seriously Off-Topic thread in this particular newsgroup....and, I have marked it as such.....but, I would appreciate it if anybody could help.... I suggest that you learn how to use your computer (filters, killfiles, ignore buttons, delete buttons, block sender functions, etc.) before going into something dangerous like metalworking. HTH Steve Chuckle! I mastered machining long ago, and if I must say so myself, earned the respect of not only my peers, but my tutors. I'm still totally lost with computers. I'm not convinced that knowing how to run one would lend itself to anyone's skills at the handles. Harold You know, that's the exact thing I have thought about some of the metalworking machines I have used. ;-) Steve |
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