Black and Decker bought Porter Cable and nobody noticed.
November 4th 2004 Black and Decker finalized the purchase of the
Pentair Tools group. This includes Porter Cable, Delta, Devilbis compressors and a few other smaller companies. Pentair sold their welding companies (Marquette, Century, and Solar) to Lincoln Electric last year. I am very worried about this. B+D does not have a good track record of respecting quality construction. The Dewalt brand was created because they has destroyed the market value of the Black+Decker name by making so many crappy tools. Dewalt has gone completely plastic now. Delta is mostly taiwanese junk now, but Porter Cable makes some nice stuff and more importantly they own FLEX, maker of the finest right angle grinders on earth. |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:57:26 +0000, Ernie Leimkuhler wrote:
November 4th 2004 Black and Decker finalized the purchase of the Pentair Tools group. This includes Porter Cable, Delta, Devilbis compressors and a few other smaller companies. Pentair sold their welding companies (Marquette, Century, and Solar) to Lincoln Electric last year. I am very worried about this. B+D does not have a good track record of respecting quality construction. The Dewalt brand was created because they has destroyed the market value of the Black+Decker name by making so many crappy tools. Dewalt has gone completely plastic now. Delta is mostly taiwanese junk now, but Porter Cable makes some nice stuff and more importantly they own FLEX, maker of the finest right angle grinders on earth. That sort of makes Milwaukee look better & better... Even when B&D was known for the real-cheapo they did make a professional line of tools that was much better than the DeWalt stuff they've been selling. My impression of most of the DeWalt tools is that they are definitely built to a particular price point. There are a few that seem to be built to a professional standard, regardless of price, but those are the exceptions. The older designs in the PC line have remained quality items, but some of their newer designs tend more towards the B&D/DeWalt quality. Fortunately we still have Milwaukee which is commited to producing quality professional tools. -- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat. |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:57:26 +0000, Ernie Leimkuhler wrote:
November 4th 2004 Black and Decker finalized the purchase of the Pentair Tools group. This includes Porter Cable, Delta, Devilbis compressors and a few other smaller companies. Pentair sold their welding companies (Marquette, Century, and Solar) to Lincoln Electric last year. I am very worried about this. B+D does not have a good track record of respecting quality construction. The Dewalt brand was created because they has destroyed the market value of the Black+Decker name by making so many crappy tools. Dewalt has gone completely plastic now. Delta is mostly taiwanese junk now, but Porter Cable makes some nice stuff and more importantly they own FLEX, maker of the finest right angle grinders on earth. That sort of makes Milwaukee look better & better... Even when B&D was known for the real-cheapo they did make a professional line of tools that was much better than the DeWalt stuff they've been selling. My impression of most of the DeWalt tools is that they are definitely built to a particular price point. There are a few that seem to be built to a professional standard, regardless of price, but those are the exceptions. The older designs in the PC line have remained quality items, but some of their newer designs tend more towards the B&D/DeWalt quality. Fortunately we still have Milwaukee which is commited to producing quality professional tools. -- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat. Yeah, but someone said Milwaukee was bought out by Ryobi... sigh Face it people - Thanks to Wal-Mart, we are doomed to have nothing but junk available to us, and no way of buying anything else. If you need something good, you are gonna haveta make it yo'self..... Ken. |
I'm still using B&D tools over thirty years old. I have heard that the
new stuff isn't very good quality, but they used to make bulletproof tools. Bugs |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:48:32 GMT, Ken Sterling (Ken Sterling) wrote:
Thanks to Wal-Mart, we are doomed to have nothing but junk available to us, and no way of buying anything else. One can always improve on walmart **** by buying from Harbor Freight. But, for those that feel as I do, walmart should be chopped up and buried in the nearest garbage dump, it seems that the local, one year old, walmart, super(not)store isn't doing well. Which is only for the good. May the works of walton quickly rot in bankruptcy, by their own hand. B&D, by their own internal policies, have guaranteed that they will never again have the acceptance they once had. Their name on anything is a guarantee that it won't last long, and won't work well from day one. (In contrast to the 30 year old B&D router that I still use, and it still works very well.) |
"Bugs" wrote in message oups.com... I'm still using B&D tools over thirty years old. I have heard that the new stuff isn't very good quality, but they used to make bulletproof tools. Bugs You can bet your last dollar on that. My father was a carpenter. Retired prematurely in '55 at age 53 from health issues. Included amongst his tools was an 8" Electro-saw, made by what is now Black & Decker. It is still running strong and has power far beyond what the vast majority of electric hand saws have today. Quality, for that type of tool, is impressive. I've added a (removable) water manifold to it so it can be used for running a wet diamond blade for cutting transite. (I use a ground fault circuit and wear rubber boots when I use it that way). I used it to manufacture my fume hood when I was involved in refining precious metals. You can believe me when I say they don't make saws that way today. Harold |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:48:32 GMT, Ken Sterling (Ken Sterling) wrote:
Yeah, but someone said Milwaukee was bought out by Ryobi... sigh Face it people - Thanks to Wal-Mart, we are doomed to have nothing but junk available to us, and no way of buying anything else. If you need something good, you are gonna haveta make it yo'self..... Ken. Hmm, I don't think so. Thanks to the Web and speciality merchants, better and better tools are becoming available. They're not cheap and you won't find them in your corner store, but we can get them if we want them. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
Yeah, but someone said Milwaukee was bought out by Ryobi... ughh, better buy up the real ones before they go to china. already seen some'cheaper' milwuakee tools out, no aluminum cse, gray plastic... |
I noticed and mourned. My (only? last?) hope is that the community of
serious users - good contractors, artisans, hobbyists - will form enough of a market to support a few good tool suppliers. The "channel" will be eBay stores and UPS rather than retailers; I'm afraid the Wall will kill everything else before it it poisoned by its own waste products. Whether the aforementioned serious users will be able to afford those tools is a whole 'nother can of worms. -- Fred R ________________ Drop TROU to email. |
porter cable made a lot of the top shelf dewalt stuff for black and decker,
i have a buddy that works in the plant in jackson ,tn i will call him and get the scoop |
Elkton diecast in Kentucky is the main supplier of the Milwaukee metal
housing parts , they have had record orders three quarters in a row , last I heard Milwaukee was going to survive the buy-out , they are very profitable |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:58:53 GMT, Fred R "spam
wrote: I noticed and mourned. My (only? last?) hope is that the community of serious users - good contractors, artisans, hobbyists - will form enough of a market to support a few good tool suppliers. The "channel" will be eBay stores and UPS rather than retailers; I'm afraid the Wall will kill everything else before it it poisoned by its own waste products. Whether the aforementioned serious users will be able to afford those tools is a whole 'nother can of worms. The Waltons of the world have a bad habit of "buying" market share by selecting a particular "commodity" and selling it cheaper than anyone else. To do this they pretty well force the supplier to lower their price, requiring cheapening the product. So some company. like Black and Decker, determines to "own" that market, come what may. Soon the B&Ds of the world, through the Waltons of the world, are the only sourse for a particular item. Soon there is no money left in the product for either one - it's a tossup whether the B&Ds go broke first or if the Waltons decide to cut their losses and stop selling them - and then you can not get the item anywhere for any price. |
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