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OT-: Universities are havens for gun control (and liberalism)
Posted without comment G
I have pointed out that universities are the home of gun control. And if you want to defeat gun control, you have to fight in at the root which is the universities. Many of you, especially the libertarians, questioned the fact that universities were leftist oriented. The release of a study that shows how skewed to the left most American universities are should open your eyes. a.. A survey of 1,000 academics shows that there are seven Democrats for every Republican in the humanities and social sciences. The Democrat-Republican balance is 30-to-1 in anthropology and even 3-to-1 in economics. a.. A study of voter registration records shows that Democrats outnumber Republicans 9-to-1 on the faculties of Berkeley and Stanford. a.. The Center for Responsive Politics reports that the biggest donors to John Kerry's campaign were employees from the University of California and Harvard. George Will: The Left's last paradise http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ill.61cb0.html 06:12 PM CST on Monday, December 6, 2004 By GEORGE WILL WASHINGTON - Oh, well, if studies say so. The great secret is out: liberals dominate campuses. Coming soon: "Moon Implicated in Tides, Studies Find." One study of 1,000 professors finds that Democrats outnumber Republicans at least seven to one in the humanities and social sciences. That imbalance, more than double what it was three decades ago, is intensifying because younger professors are more uniformly liberal than the older cohort that is retiring. Another study, of voter registrations records, including those of professors in engineering and the hard sciences, found nine Democrats for every Republican at Berkeley and Stanford. Among younger professors, there were 183 Democrats, six Republicans. But we essentially knew this even before The American Enterprise magazine reported in 2002 of examinations of voting records in various college communities. Some findings about professors registered with the two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties: Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives. Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives. Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives. UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that in 2004, of the top five institutions in terms of employee per capita contributions to presidential candidates, the third, fourth and fifth were Time Warner, Goldman Sachs and Microsoft. The top two were the California university system and Harvard, both of which gave about 19 times more money to John Kerry than to George Bush. But George Lakoff, a linguistics professor at Berkeley, denies that academic institutions are biased against conservatives. The disparity in hiring, he explains, occurs because conservatives are not as interested as liberals in academic careers. Why does he think liberals are like that? "Unlike conservatives, they believe in working for the public good and social justice." That clears that up. A filtering process, from graduate school admissions through tenure decisions, tends to exclude conservatives from what Mark Bauerlein calls academia's "sheltered habitat." In a dazzling essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education, Bauerlein, professor of English at Emory University and director of research at the National Endowment for the Arts, notes that the "first protocol" of academic society is the "common assumption" - that, at professional gatherings, all the strangers in the room are liberals. It is a reasonable assumption, given that in order to enter the profession, your work must be deemed, by the criteria of the prevailing culture, "relevant." Bauerlein says various academic fields now have regnant premises that embed political orientations in their very definitions of scholarship: Schools of education, for instance, take constructivist theories of learning as definitive, excluding realists (in matters of knowledge) on principle, while the quasi-Marxist outlook of cultural studies rules out those who espouse capitalism. If you disapprove of affirmative action, forget pursuing a degree in African-American studies. If you think that the nuclear family proves the best unit of social well-being, stay away from women's studies. This gives rise to what Bauerlein calls the "false consensus effect," which occurs when, due to institutional provincialism, "people think that the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population." There also is what Cass Sunstein, professor of political science and jurisprudence at the University of Chicago, calls "the law of group polarization." Bauerlein explains: "When like-minded people deliberate as an organized group, the general opinion shifts toward extreme versions of their common beliefs." They become tone-deaf to the way they sound to others outside their closed circle of belief. When John Kennedy brought to Washington such academics as Arthur Schlesinger Jr., John Kenneth Galbraith, McGeorge and William Bundy and Walt Rostow, it was said that the Charles River was flowing into the Potomac. Actually, Richard Nixon's administration had an even more distinguished academic cast - Henry Kissinger, Pat Moynihan, Arthur Burns, James Schlesinger and others. Academics, such as the next secretary of state, still decorate Washington, but academia is less listened to than it was. It has marginalized itself, partly by political shrillness and silliness that have something to do with the parochialism produced by what George Orwell called "smelly little orthodoxies." Many campuses are intellectual versions of one-party nations - except such nations usually have the merit, such as it is, of candor about their ideological monopolies. In contrast, American campuses have more insistently proclaimed their commitment to diversity as they have become more intellectually monochrome. They do indeed cultivate diversity - in race, skin color, ethnicity, sexual preference. In everything but thought. George Will writes for The Washington Post. His e-mail address is . Professors need to teach non-partisanly http://www.easternecho.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?3633 Sajak Tweaks Hollywood . . . Again (on gun control) http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5960 War, tolerance spurred college support for Kerry http://thedaily.washington.edu/news....=11152&-search Democrats STILL Don't Get It! http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle083.html Academic Thought Police By Jeff Jacoby http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=16232 Ellen Goodman: Victims of college liberalism? http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/200063-1717-021.html What is wrong with Ellen Goodman's views on Colleges being liberal havens http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114837.shtml Gunner "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr |
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In article , Gunner says...
Posted without comment G el-snipo-massivio Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says... Posted without comment G el-snipo-massivio Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. Jim Beter still, ban all education, books, and non-Christian religions. Crown the shrub king - effectively banning the Democrats. Live 'happily' ever after. (G) Ken. -- http://www.rupert.net/~solar Return address supplied by 'spammotel' http://www.spammotel.com |
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el-snipo-even more massivio Wow! Jim and Ken, you guys sure presented a compelling, articulate opposing view of Gunnar's O.T. post. I'm quite impressed with your, obviously, superior intellect. John |
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In article , John says...
Wow! Jim and Ken, you guys sure presented a compelling, articulate opposing view of Gunnar's O.T. post. I'm quite impressed with your, obviously, superior intellect. I'm a convert to gunner's approach to life. I hereby renounce everything I've learned in college - it was a waste of time. Superior intellect is no longer the figure of merit my friend, patriotism and loyalty are the new stock in trade. I'm honestly suprised you are so far behind the times with this 'brain' stuff. Get with it man! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:36:29 -0800, "John" wrote:
el-snipo-even more massivio Wow! Jim and Ken, you guys sure presented a compelling, articulate opposing view of Gunnar's O.T. post. I'm quite impressed with your, obviously, superior intellect. John New keyboard time.....I hate cleaning Mt. Dew (run through the nose), off the monitor. Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show "Ken Davey"
wrote back on Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:19:04 -0600 in rec.crafts.metalworking : Jim Beter still, ban all education, books, and non-Christian religions. Crown the shrub king - effectively banning the Democrats. Feh - old hat, already been done, too late for the lefties. All hail Joshua Norton, Emperor of North America and protector of Mexico! His first proclamation was to abolish the UN Congress. His second proclamation banned the Democrat and Republican parties. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
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Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education
beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. What we REALLY need to do is first get God out of the schools completely, then limit education to only a teacher's opinions, then only give grades that make students feel good about themselves, then make sure that only the lowest common denominator of thinking prevails and make sure that the average education output is the lowest on the planet. .....Never mind, somebody else already thought of that and implemented the whole thing. |
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"jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Gunner says... Posted without comment G el-snipo-massivio Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. And produce a whole new generation of Republicans? |
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On 7 Dec 2004 04:53:40 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Posted without comment G el-snipo-massivio Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. Jim Say, Ive got an idea..why not address the issues raised in the article? Or would that harm your world view in some fashion, which is the reason you are attempting such a pitiful deflection? As to education after the 8th grade..given the quality of education our children appear to be not getting lately...Id have to say the Left has already banned it. They are, after all, in charge of the Education system in the US..... Gunner "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr |
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In article , Gunner says...
Say, Ive got an idea..why not address the issues raised in the article? Yep. You think that universities are full of liberals who like gun control. And that you want them to change. I'm not exactly sure how you propose to convince them to change, but posting stuff on the metalworking ng probably isn't going to do the job. Most of them don't read it. If you really want them to change I suggest you enroll in a nearby college and give impressing your personal views on them a try. Be sure to bring all your urls to show them. Other than that, closing down all the post-secondary education in the country is probably your only hope of achieving your goal. Good luck. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 7 Dec 2004 13:49:04 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Say, Ive got an idea..why not address the issues raised in the article? Yep. You think that universities are full of liberals who like gun control. And that you want them to change. I'm not exactly sure how you propose to convince them to change, but posting stuff on the metalworking ng probably isn't going to do the job. Most of them don't read it. If you really want them to change I suggest you enroll in a nearby college and give impressing your personal views on them a try. Be sure to bring all your urls to show them. Other than that, closing down all the post-secondary education in the country is probably your only hope of achieving your goal. Good luck. Jim Jim, I posted it without comment. Seems that the studies cited pretty well speak for themselves. Now if you wish to continue making claims of what I think, perhaps you should start taking the whole pill, rather than just half, once a day. Dont like the article or the data contained in it? Do something about it. Or are you simply in denial again? Your ox getting gored perhaps? Hummmmm????? Chuckle Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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In article , Gunner says...
Jim, I posted it without comment. snort The links *are* your opinion. You and them - the same. It would be like me, saying I posted my comments above, "without opinion." Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:40:20 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : Say, Ive got an idea..why not address the issues raised in the article? Or would that harm your world view in some fashion, which is the reason you are attempting such a pitiful deflection? As to education after the 8th grade..given the quality of education our children appear to be not getting lately...Id have to say the Left has already banned it. they haven't banned it, they've just stretched it out so that it takes twelve to sixteen years. I was listening to an Andy Griffith album the other night, recorded in the 1960s, and he is re-tell the story of Anthony and Cleopatra. He has Ceaser say on meeting Cleopatra "Ares mutantas longes vita, mutandus brevis", which he translates as "As sure as the vine winds round the stump, you are my darling, sugar lump." ("Even in High School he was good at verses.") [You can try that out the next time your a-courting some young thing. Either the Latin or his translation. Anyway, it hit me, once again, that in the last hundred years, we have gone from an Education Establishment which taught Latin and Greek in High Schools, to one which offers Remedial English in Colleges. They are, after all, in charge of the Education system in the US..... But boy are they opposed to monopolies in other areas. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History". |
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In article , pyotr filipivich
says... Anyway, it hit me, once again, that in the last hundred years, we have gone from an Education Establishment which taught Latin and Greek in High Schools, to one which offers Remedial English in Colleges. I would also point out for the record, that it was a heck of a lot better for me that I took four years of drafting in high school, instead of four years of Latin. They're also teaching remedial math in colleges too. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 7 Dec 2004 04:53:40 -0800, jim rozen
calmly ranted: In article , Gunner says... Posted without comment G el-snipo-massivio Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. That'll solve your problem. Haven't many of the liberal agendas already effectively done that, Jim? Most college kids today couldn't pass an 8th grade Victorian school test. (from 1895 or 1870, your choice) http://www.snopes2.com/language/document/1895exam.htm ;-] ================================================== ======== CAUTION: Do not use remaining fingers as pushsticks! ================================================== ======== http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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In article , Larry Jaques says...
Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. ... Haven't many of the liberal agendas already effectively done that, Jim? Apparently not, gunner's got his panties in a twist about colleges, so they're still accepting students at this point. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 7 Dec 2004 16:15:09 -0800, jim rozen
calmly ranted: In article , Larry Jaques says... Say I've got an idea. Why don't we just ban any education beyond 8th grade in the US, by federal law. ... Haven't many of the liberal agendas already effectively done that, Jim? Apparently not, gunner's got his panties in a twist about colleges, so they're still accepting students at this point. That proves they've banned education while allowing colleges to continue to operate, churning out hopeless, indebted, somewhat pre-trained McDrones. ================================================== ======== CAUTION: Do not use remaining fingers as pushsticks! ================================================== ======== http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:53:46 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Posted without comment G (snip) Guns are precison tools, useful in skilled hands. That has always been so regardless of political correctness. Why do you blather on? Do whatever ya wanna do, do you need a blessing? |
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WIthout going through this line by line -
Democrat does not = left wing nor does it = liberal; by the standards of most people outside the US there is little difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties, and they are both Right of Centre. Further down Will makes the statement : Some findings about professors registered with the two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties: Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives. Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives. Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives. UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives. I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative.... Chris On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:53:46 UTC, Gunner wrote: Posted without comment G I have pointed out that universities are the home of gun control. And if you want to defeat gun control, you have to fight in at the root which is the universities. Many of you, especially the libertarians, questioned the fact that universities were leftist oriented. The release of a study that shows how skewed to the left most American universities are should open your eyes. |
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"Chris Lasdauskas" wrote in message
news:mPcurcJnILSl-pn2-DocpfhxDJnxb@localhost... WIthout going through this line by line - Democrat does not = left wing nor does it = liberal; by the standards of most people outside the US there is little difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties, and they are both Right of Centre. Further down Will makes the statement : Some findings about professors registered with the two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties: Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives. Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives. Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives. UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives. I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative.... Chris On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:53:46 UTC, Gunner wrote: Posted without comment G I have pointed out that universities are the home of gun control. And if you want to defeat gun control, you have to fight in at the root which is the universities. Many of you, especially the libertarians, questioned the fact that universities were leftist oriented. The release of a study that shows how skewed to the left most American universities are should open your eyes. Back in '67/'68, when George Will was teaching political science at Michigan State, he taught a course called "The Isms" (Poli Sci 170). It was communism, socialism, fascism, and capitalism -- a 100-level survey course. Anyway, he was one of the conservatives, and there were a couple of liberals who taught other sections of the same course. I took the course from Will, but I also watched the videos of lectures taught by one of the other two (MSU was a pioneer in video distribution of lectures; 2-in. quad). You couldn't tell any difference in what they taught or how they taught it. And George Will knew this at the time. Will was by far the most dynamic of the bunch, but there was no detectable coloration of what was taught by either side. He probably just resents the fact that nobody would eat lunch with him. g (In fact, the residence college of policy science at MSU -- James Madison Residence College -- had quite a few conservative professors at the time. But not many conservative students.) Ed Huntress |
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In article , Ed Huntress says...
He probably just resents the fact that nobody would eat lunch with him. g (In fact, the residence college of policy science at MSU -- James Madison Residence College -- had quite a few conservative professors at the time. But not many conservative students.) That's my *other* problem with gunner's post. He asserts that colleges are a hotbed for radical liberal staff. But at this point I just cannot trust any numbers he links to. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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I had a good friend that got his masters at Texas Tech - everyone
could talk to him before he spent one year and a summer there. Once back, he was programmed so far left that few really wanted to talk. Not all of us there were right wingers, some down right left types. His masters was in a specific area and those in that area knew how to program. Martin Ed Huntress wrote: "Chris Lasdauskas" wrote in message news:mPcurcJnILSl-pn2-DocpfhxDJnxb@localhost... WIthout going through this line by line - Democrat does not = left wing nor does it = liberal; by the standards of most people outside the US there is little difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties, and they are both Right of Centre. Further down Will makes the statement : Some findings about professors registered with the two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties: Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives. Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives. Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives. UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives. I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative.... Chris On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:53:46 UTC, Gunner wrote: Posted without comment G I have pointed out that universities are the home of gun control. And if you want to defeat gun control, you have to fight in at the root which is the universities. Many of you, especially the libertarians, questioned the fact that universities were leftist oriented. The release of a study that shows how skewed to the left most American universities are should open your eyes. Back in '67/'68, when George Will was teaching political science at Michigan State, he taught a course called "The Isms" (Poli Sci 170). It was communism, socialism, fascism, and capitalism -- a 100-level survey course. Anyway, he was one of the conservatives, and there were a couple of liberals who taught other sections of the same course. I took the course from Will, but I also watched the videos of lectures taught by one of the other two (MSU was a pioneer in video distribution of lectures; 2-in. quad). You couldn't tell any difference in what they taught or how they taught it. And George Will knew this at the time. Will was by far the most dynamic of the bunch, but there was no detectable coloration of what was taught by either side. He probably just resents the fact that nobody would eat lunch with him. g (In fact, the residence college of policy science at MSU -- James Madison Residence College -- had quite a few conservative professors at the time. But not many conservative students.) Ed Huntress -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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On 9 Dec 2004 20:27:39 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas"
wrote: WIthout going through this line by line - Democrat does not = left wing nor does it = liberal; by the standards of most people outside the US there is little difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties, and they are both Right of Centre. Right of Center? Only if you define Lenin as being in the center. Further down Will makes the statement : Some findings about professors registered with the two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties: Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives. Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives. Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives. UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives. I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative.... Many states require you registering by party. Thats so they can give you the proper ballots. As to the stats above..that was determined by asking them. It seems you have reading comprehension problems as well. Chris On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:53:46 UTC, Gunner wrote: Posted without comment G I have pointed out that universities are the home of gun control. And if you want to defeat gun control, you have to fight in at the root which is the universities. Many of you, especially the libertarians, questioned the fact that universities were leftist oriented. The release of a study that shows how skewed to the left most American universities are should open your eyes. "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." "Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan 2001 |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:32:36 UTC, Gunner
wrote: On 9 Dec 2004 20:27:39 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas" wrote: WIthout going through this line by line - Democrat does not = left wing nor does it = liberal; by the standards of most people outside the US there is little difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties, and they are both Right of Centre. Right of Center? Only if you define Lenin as being in the center. No Gunner, by the standards of a website you referred to about a year ago, the one which rated various politicians on their economic views on one axis and thier social views on another one: Democrats and Republicans clustered in the top right hand quadrant. I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative.... Many states require you registering by party. As I said "I wasn't aware that people registered as Liberal or Conservative...." ; you've just described registering as a Democrat or a Republican. Thats so they can give you the proper ballots. As to the stats above..that was determined by asking them. It seems you have reading comprehension problems as well. Coming from you, that's pretty rich ! Chris |
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Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan 2001 Republican. In the dictionary, it's right after reptilian and right before repugnant. |
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