My only micrometer.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...asin_title_o00
_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm resolution
Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's really
7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the zero
threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will see!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:12:03 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

My only micrometer.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...asin_title_o00
_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm resolution
Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's really
7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the zero
threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo
https://amzn.to/3iswLnc
0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Spehro Pefhany on Tue, 19 Jan 2021
15:00:40 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:12:03 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:
My only micrometer.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm resolution
Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's really
7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the zero
threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo
https://amzn.to/3iswLnc
0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.

One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod
is almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial
calipers.)

It is like clocks - a digital one will tell you what time it is,
right now." you get to do the calculations to figure out if you still
have time enough to do 'this'. With analog clocks, you can look and
say "I have a quarter / half /third of an hour to do 'this'."

Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Spehro Pefhany typed:
John Doe wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJLV8AK

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm
resolution Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's
really 7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the
zero threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will
see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo

https://amzn.to/3iswLnc 0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.

One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod is
almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial
calipers.)

That depends on resolution, not whether it's analog or digital.

Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.

Also depends on resolution, given limited space for its display.

With a digital display, only one dial is required, can't do that with
analog.

John Doe on Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:09:48
-0000 (UTC) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Spehro Pefhany typed:
John Doe wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJLV8AK

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm
resolution Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's
really 7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the
zero threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will
see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo

https://amzn.to/3iswLnc 0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.

One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod is
almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial
calipers.)

That depends on resolution, not whether it's analog or digital.

I think the reason I go crank on analogue is that in another life
I am dealing with the measurement of time and distance, before the
adoption of positional notation and decimal fractions. Back when
everything was Integer Math, fractions of a unit were expressed in
ratios of whole numbers. And if you were Roman, in base 12 (1/12th was
the 'unit' for most fractions. E.G. 'half' is 6/12th) Relatively
'simple' but some numbers didn't work out E.G.. twenty two to seven
(22/7) is the ratio of circumference to diameter. But Pi is not a
'rational number. And I'm digressing badly.

It also depends on if you need a specific size, or a "go-nogo"
evaluation. And the precision required or needed. When I was turning
drill cores (for oil rigs) spec was for 8" diameter with +.250 -
0.000 tolerance.So I set a non measuring caliper at 8 1/4 inches and
when the band got to where this fitted "it's done".
Some of the other processes were not just on the order of +/- 001
but holding +/- .0004 over the entire 16 feet. "And that's why those
guys got the big bucks" On manual machines, too. (powered by belts
from a water wheel! "Why when I was a boy, we didn't have these fancy
dial calipers, we had to use our fingers!" Blah, blah. Yes, factory
was old.)

Regardless of resolution, I can see if a measurement is closer to
N or N+/-[unit of resolution]. Is that 7.90001 or 7.99991?
IMHO, It doesn't matter the resolution or the number of decimal
places. I can interpolate +/- 1/2 the least significant digit. As
the saying goes "two plus two equals five for large values of two and
small values of five". I.E., 2.4 displays as Two, and 4.8 displays as
Five.

Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.
Also depends on resolution, given limited space for its display.

Yep. No sense putting a wrist watch on the wall - you can't see
the 'clock' let alone read it. (Heck, without my glasses, I can't see
the wall.)

With a digital display, only one dial is required, can't do that with
analog.

With a digital readout - you get to do the math. Be that inches,
millimeters, hours, seconds, degrees (arc) or degrees (temperature)
miles per hour, furlongs per fortnight, or parsecs in the old
Republic.

(On a side grumble, I've been looking to replace a garden thermometer.
Dial face, with two little arms which indicate high and low temps
since the last time they were reset. No longer made, but you can now
get a digital thermometer which you can press buttons until the min /
max temps are shown. Of course what was formerly accomplished at a
glance now requires an operator. And batteries. Which is another
"ought" I have against digital mics etc: batteries. Maybe if I used
them more often than once a year it would be different.)

It isn't like I am totally opposed to modern tech. I do
appreciate the digital temperature scanners at the club. I'd hate to
have to get a temperature reading the 'old fashioned way' with a
temperature sensing strip placed on my forehead. B-)
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

John Doe on Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:09:48
-0000 (UTC) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Spehro Pefhany typed:
John Doe wrote:

......

With a digital display, only one dial is required, can't do that with
analog.

With a digital readout - you get to do the math. Be that inches,
millimeters, hours, seconds, degrees (arc) or degrees (temperature)
miles per hour, furlongs per fortnight, or parsecs in the old
Republic.

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https://www.amazon.com/Anytime-Tools.../dp/B00B5XJW7I

https://opentextbc.ca/chemistry/chap...and-precision/

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:56:16 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

John Doe on Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:09:48
-0000 (UTC) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Spehro Pefhany typed:
John Doe wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJLV8AK

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm
resolution Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's
really 7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the
zero threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will
see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo

https://amzn.to/3iswLnc 0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.

One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod is
almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial
calipers.)

That depends on resolution, not whether it's analog or digital.

I think the reason I go crank on analogue is that in another life
I am dealing with the measurement of time and distance, before the
adoption of positional notation and decimal fractions. Back when
everything was Integer Math, fractions of a unit were expressed in
ratios of whole numbers. And if you were Roman, in base 12 (1/12th was
the 'unit' for most fractions. E.G. 'half' is 6/12th) Relatively
'simple' but some numbers didn't work out E.G.. twenty two to seven
(22/7) is the ratio of circumference to diameter. But Pi is not a
'rational number. And I'm digressing badly.

It also depends on if you need a specific size, or a "go-nogo"
evaluation. And the precision required or needed. When I was turning
drill cores (for oil rigs) spec was for 8" diameter with +.250 -
0.000 tolerance.So I set a non measuring caliper at 8 1/4 inches and
when the band got to where this fitted "it's done".
Some of the other processes were not just on the order of +/- 001
but holding +/- .0004 over the entire 16 feet. "And that's why those
guys got the big bucks" On manual machines, too. (powered by belts
from a water wheel! "Why when I was a boy, we didn't have these fancy
dial calipers, we had to use our fingers!" Blah, blah. Yes, factory
was old.)

Regardless of resolution, I can see if a measurement is closer to
N or N+/-[unit of resolution]. Is that 7.90001 or 7.99991?
IMHO, It doesn't matter the resolution or the number of decimal
places. I can interpolate +/- 1/2 the least significant digit. As
the saying goes "two plus two equals five for large values of two and
small values of five". I.E., 2.4 displays as Two, and 4.8 displays as
Five.

Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.
Also depends on resolution, given limited space for its display.

Yep. No sense putting a wrist watch on the wall - you can't see
the 'clock' let alone read it. (Heck, without my glasses, I can't see
the wall.)

With a digital display, only one dial is required, can't do that with
analog.

With a digital readout - you get to do the math. Be that inches,
millimeters, hours, seconds, degrees (arc) or degrees (temperature)
miles per hour, furlongs per fortnight, or parsecs in the old
Republic.

(On a side grumble, I've been looking to replace a garden thermometer.
Dial face, with two little arms which indicate high and low temps
since the last time they were reset. No longer made, but you can now
get a digital thermometer which you can press buttons until the min /
max temps are shown. Of course what was formerly accomplished at a
glance now requires an operator. And batteries. Which is another
"ought" I have against digital mics etc: batteries. Maybe if I used
them more often than once a year it would be different.)

It isn't like I am totally opposed to modern tech. I do
appreciate the digital temperature scanners at the club. I'd hate to
have to get a temperature reading the 'old fashioned way' with a
temperature sensing strip placed on my forehead. B-)
See: Lee Valley - Item AB803, Min-Max Thermometer

On 2021-01-21, pyotr filipivich wrote:

[ ... ]

And batteries. Which is another
"ought" I have against digital mics etc: batteries. Maybe if I used
them more often than once a year it would be different.)

For digital micrometers which I don't use regularly (It is too
cold to work in the shop right now) I open the battery compartment and
flip the cell upside down (so it does not feed the power to anything),
and pop the cap back on. This keeps it handy with the micrometer, but
also keeps it fresh. I also keep a spare cell in the box the micrometer
is stored in.

Most micrometers use the 357 and 44 sized cells (easy to
remember -- both numbers are magnum calibers) and they are available in
either alkaline or silver oxide variants. The battery life is much
better in the silver oxide (I prefer SR-357 cells) -- and I believe they
are also much less likely to leak and damage the micrometer.

Yes -- I also have pure analog micrometers too. Old eyes tell
me I need to wear glasses to use them.

BTW I also have one Russian 0-25mm micrometer. It is beefier than
all the others which I have or have used. I think the shaft is
8mm (about 5/16" instead of the more common 1/4" shaft on the
others. I guess that I would not be too upset at seeing it used
as a C-clamp. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 07:54:27 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Spehro Pefhany on Tue, 19 Jan 2021
15:00:40 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:12:03 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:
My only micrometer.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm resolution
Mitutoyo still works fine.

I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's really
7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.

I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the zero
threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will see!

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) mo
https://amzn.to/3iswLnc
0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.

One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod
is almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial
calipers.)

It is like clocks - a digital one will tell you what time it is,
right now." you get to do the calculations to figure out if you still
have time enough to do 'this'. With analog clocks, you can look and
say "I have a quarter / half /third of an hour to do 'this'."

Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.


I can see as that would be useful. I have a calculator stuck on the
side of my mill so I don't have to subtract long numbers in my head
when I'm tired (and possibly end up cutting too much of the part
away).

Don't own a pair of dial calipers, just vernier and digital.

But, as of a few weeks ago, I have DROs on the lathe and mill, so
digital maybe makes more sense.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

But, as of a few weeks ago, I have DROs on the lathe and mill, so
digital maybe makes more sense.

The lathe uses output from a micrometer?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 22:43:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

But, as of a few weeks ago, I have DROs on the lathe and mill, so
digital maybe makes more sense.

The lathe uses output from a micrometer?

I'm going to make a measurement with the micrometer, find the
difference from the desired measurement, and then move the tool some
number of tenths of a mm, say to take up half the difference and leave
enough for a finishing pass.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany