On Sun, 3 May 2020 02:05:32 +0200 (CEST), "Bradley K. Sherman"
wrote:

Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they
are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the
government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example,
Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil
liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.

It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach
President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the
Administration grab more power and authority in the name of
fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100
Americans.

60000 now - but who's counting

Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now
claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being
infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize
any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of
contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon
off a US city or state.

State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of
Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the
power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas,
water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just
essentially closed his entire state.

The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a
doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health.
Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to
stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death
rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu,
a claim without any scientific basis.

On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an
already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally,
myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.” He has pushed for
closing the entire country down for 14 days.

Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000
worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast,
tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days,
killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over
this?

If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers
are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial
law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside
their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the
sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic
produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the
disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that
last roll of toilet paper.

The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians
and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative
Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to
pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus!
Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these
microscopic enemies?

People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic”
could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease
massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially
or politically – from the ensuing panic.

That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question
people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories
should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we
have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as
an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is
over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-
articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/
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Big crybaby.

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 6:10:42 PM UTC-7, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/revie...ing-overstated

The nations Center for Disease Control (CDC) figures for the
2018-2019 winter tell us that 35.5 million contracted influenza,
490,600 were hospitalized, and 34,200 died because of this single
disease. That was last year, and there was no declaration of pandemic,

Well, no declaration of pandemic is perhaps appropriate if those 'influenza'
cases were divided among many different strains.

Fatalaties from 'last year' means a whole year's victims, and
for contrast, April fatalities from COVID-19 in the US were 55,000
and climbing. That's not per year, that's per MONTH, and
it shows a climbing trend, which influenza doesn't. Prediction
to match a yearly influenza toll has been suppressed by
a not-very-clever wordsmith, and the result is ... well, a
clear attempt to mask important truths. By over an order of magnitude.

The shutdowns are why that April toll was so low; without
shutdowns, it's easy to estimate about two orders of magnitude in
the difference of COVID-19 deathly danger and that of sum-of-all-influenzas..

It's not clear whether 'thenewamerica.com' is the source of the lie,
but I'm crossing that "source" off. They made garbage and
called it analysis. You don't want to revisit that site.

On Mon, 4 May 2020 08:05:44 -0500, adminisatyr wrote:

On 5/3/2020 8:10 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2020 20:27:21 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:


It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach
President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the
Administration grab more power and authority in the name of
fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100
Americans.

60000 now - but who's counting

https://www.thenewamerican.com/revie...ing-overstated

The nation’s Center for Disease Control (CDC) figures for the
2018-2019 winter tell us that 35.5 million contracted influenza,
490,600 were hospitalized, and 34,200 died because of this single
disease. That was last year, and there was no declaration of pandemic,
no shutting down thousands of businesses, no people wearing masks and
told to stay at home, no long lines of workers applying for
unemployment insurance, and more. With fewer deaths this year, big
government has arrived and it has become a very frightening
development. We ask simply: Is the Covid-19 “pandemic” overblown?

Montana’s Doctor Ann Bukacek is a 30-year veteran of medical practice.
The mother of five, she is a highly respected medical professional who
operates a clinic in her state where she has practiced medicine for 30
years. She recently delivered some carefully worded skepticism about
the coronavirus and the government’s response to it in a brief speech
given to fellow Montanans.

From Don Pogreba, the Montana Post: April 10, 2020

I have been meaning to write a piece about the nexus between the
extreme right-wing and those who are endangering public health with
absurd claims about the spread of COVID-19, but the Montana Human
Rights Network already posted an indispensable look at one of the
worst offenders, Dr. Annie Bukacek of Kalispell.

From their report:


Bukacek and Ammon Bundy, organizing a couple hours away in northern
Idaho, are opportunists who are capitalizing on the fear and
uncertainty of the current pandemic. Instead of supporting community
cohesiveness, smart public-health measures, and policies that protect
people, they are risking lives for the sake of militia ideology and
personal notoriety.
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Not someone I’d trust as a doctor. Photo from Kalispell Rally.

The Montana Human Rights Network has been researching and responding
to white nationalists and anti-democratic extremists for 30 years.
It’s clear these groups exploit every difficult circumstance in order
to promote their agenda. Since more people are getting their COVID-19
updates online, anti-government militia activists are looking for
openings on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and other platforms to
amplify their talking points. They are targeting websites with an
uptick in visitors, like places promoting survivalist tips,
alternative medicine, COVID-19 updates, and more.

Since it’s difficult to fight an unseen and terrifying enemy like a
disease, extremists are trying to provide real life targets at which
people can direct their anxiety. For Bukacek, the enemy is her own
local government. At a time when governments are needed to lead our
collective efforts at public health, communities should continue
listening to those who prioritize “flattening the curve” of COVID-19
and keeping the public safe. That includes public officials like the
Kalispell City Council who are making decisions to lead with the best
practices overwhelmingly endorsed by the medical community. Bukacek’s
divisive ideas and activism are dangerous at a time when community and
safety are clearly essential.

The Flathead County Commissioners who appointed Bukacek to their
health board did so knowing that she is an anti-vaxxer who has
advocated extremist anti-government views her entire career, so it
cannot surprise them to have learned that, rather than promoting
public health, she is actively undermining it with bad science and
even worse conspiracy theories.

And while this is the most quixotic of pursuits, it’s worth noting
that Bukacek’s influence extends to some of the most influential
people in the Republican Party. Just yesterday, she posted a claim
that, despite the consensus opinion of public health officials,
Governor Bullock was doing more harm to Montanans by asking for a
shelter-in-place. That comment was endorsed by Debra Lamm, former
chair of the Montana Republican Party and a current candidate for the
US House, as well as a host of Montana Republican legislative
candidates.
End of quote.


Not exactly the type of "highly respected doctor" I want to be taking
information from - but then I'm not a right-wing militia nutcase.

On Sun, 3 May 2020 23:37:37 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
wrote:

Fatalaties from 'last year' means a whole year's victims, and
for contrast, April fatalities from COVID-19 in the US were 55,000

Absolutely untrue.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...hysteria.html#!

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...w-average-cdc/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bir...dless-of-cause

https://ktla.com/news/california/sta...-clara-county/



I found this interesting...about the 1918 flue

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...mic-180967810/

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"Journalists are extremely rare and shouldn’t be harmed, but propagandists are everywhere and should be hunted for sport"

Yeah..with no bag limit.




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