What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set
up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y
table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that
combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with
any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and
backlash written all over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment
on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of
relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the
assembly in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my
Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide base
and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on
mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the back
of the slide base.

The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same
bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a protruding
dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the right.
-jsw

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:45:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set
up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y
table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that
combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with
any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and
backlash written all over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment
on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of
relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the
assembly in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my
Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide base
and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on
mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the back
of the slide base.

The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same
bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a protruding
dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the right.
-jsw

Yeah, that's the way mine works, too. It was part of the kit that came with the lathe: War Board, built for the Navy in 1945, and all surfaces on the milling attachment are machined.

But, if my failing memory serves, the milling attachments for larger SB lathes were more like the one in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination
of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of
metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all
over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my
South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative
sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the
photo.

--
Ed Huntress

Those are Atlases.
They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different
assemblies.
Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y
table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross
slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a
swivel.

Paul K. Dickman

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

wrote in message
...
On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:45:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis
set
up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for
a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis
X-Y
table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that
combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made
with
any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and
backlash written all over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling
attachment
on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms
of
relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the
assembly in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my
Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide
base
and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on
mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the
back
of the slide base.

The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same
bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a
protruding
dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the
right.
-jsw

Yeah, that's the way mine works, too. It was part of the kit that
came with the lathe: War Board, built for the Navy in 1945, and all
surfaces on the milling attachment are machined.

But, if my failing memory serves, the milling attachments for larger
SB lathes were more like the one in the photo.

--
Ed Huntress

http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/mill1.jpg

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 4:21:57 PM UTC-5, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination
of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of
metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all
over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my
South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative
sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the
photo.

--
Ed Huntress

Those are Atlases.
They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different
assemblies.
Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y
table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross
slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a
swivel.

Paul K. Dickman

Aha. That must have been a common configuration. I see from Jim's link that it's like one on the Sears lathes that were built by Atlas.

--
Ed Huntress

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:21:16 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination
of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of
metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all
over it.

The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my
South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative
sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the
photo.

--
Ed Huntress

Those are Atlases.
They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different
assemblies.
Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y
table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross
slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a
swivel.

Paul K. Dickman

Like I said - a "Rube Goldberg" setup - - -

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:25:56 +0800, JimmyMcGill wrote:

Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

Its a Palmgren unit.

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What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On 2019-01-14, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

[ ... ]

Those are Atlases.
They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different
assemblies.
Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y
table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross
slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a
swivel.

The X-Y table which I had/"have somewhere" has a swivel. Loosen
two Allen-head cap screws, and it rotates. I can't swear whether it is
Atlas or not, as it was quite old when I got it.

Paul K. Dickman

Enjoy,
DoN.

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What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:00:41 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a
lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table
missing the table top.

Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom
(X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when.

Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different
from those on the X and Y axes.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - -
I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened
together.

Someone must have left them alone together in the shop for too long.

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and that we can do nothing to change it look before they cross
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What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

A torus is 4 dimension so you need more axis than 3.
Many shapes - saddles are multiple dimensions. Saddles are not just for
horses but holds pipe and rods. All sorts of shapes require more than
an old fashioned 3.

Try to mill a Propeller with a 3 axis - have the 3 blades cut in their
complex shape.

Martin

On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

So buy this and lock down an axis.

On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image

What is this 4 axis set up called?
 

On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 7:30:09 PM UTC-5, Martin Eastburn wrote:
A torus is 4 dimension so you need more axis than 3.

It's not "4 dimension," but you need an additional half-axis (a rotary indexed"flip" to machine the back side of the donut) to machine it with a conventional machine tool. It could be machined, theoretically, with a 3-axis CNC EDM and a disk-shaped electrode, depending on the relative diameter of the hole in the torus. Actually, with a weirdly shaped electrode, you could do it regardless of hole size.

Many shapes - saddles are multiple dimensions.

No.

Saddles are not just for
horses but holds pipe and rods.

Saddles (hyperbolic paraboloids) are widely used for roofs in architecture. The shape can be milled with a conventional 3-axis mill with continuous-contouring capability and somebody who can program in something more than ordinary shop math.

A really interesting thing about saddles is that they can be *lapped* by hand. In fact, they sometimes are, when someone tries to do the three-flat lapping trick to make flat surfaces, and they screw up the rotation sequence. Surprise! You made a hyperbolic paraboloid without even trying! g


All sorts of shapes require more than
an old fashioned 3.

Try to mill a Propeller with a 3 axis - have the 3 blades cut in their
complex shape.

Again 3 axis and a 180-degree rotary flip of the fixture. That may not be an efficient way to do it, but it can be done.


Martin

On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image


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