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On 5/20/2017 9:50 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2017-05-21, Martin E wrote: On 5/20/2017 6:25 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote: On 2017-05-20, Ignoramus31415 wrote: On 2017-05-20, Jon Elson wrote: Ignoramus31415 wrote: My mill had DC motors and everything worked really nicely. All three axes work. Except for one thing. For 4th axis, I have a rotary table made by Troyke with a resolver (not encoder). I bought from you a "resolver to encoder signal converter". Hmm ... I've only seen resolvers in aircraft instruments. Those require 400 Hz power (26V IIRC). Is what you have also 400 Hz, or do they make 60 Hz resolvers, too? If they are 400 Hz, could some subsystem which is supposed to generate the 400 Hz failing? Good Luck, DoN. I want to say if you have a slave pair - one is a encoder and the other a resolver. in other words - transmit and receiver. One on a knob that is rotary or on a rack - and the other on a surface that is moving. Sometimes in reverse the surface 'tells' the pointer where to point. Hmm ... that sounds more like synchros (AKA "selsyn"). An ac signal applied to the rotor, and three phases (Wye connection) of output. Thus the synchros had five leads, two for the rotor, and three for the Wye connection of the stator. Apply power to both rotors, and one will move to track the other. Instead, take the second rotor, connect it to the input of a servo amplifier, and the servo will rotate the one to which it is connected until at 90 degrees, at which there is zero output, and a slight motion will provide signal either at 0 degrees phase or at 180 degrees phase, causing the motor to rotate the servo until the output is zero again. (This allows driving things which are heavier than the synchro is capable of driving directly.) A resolver, however, has one rotor signal with two stators at 90 degrees, and isolated from each other electrically. This produces output signals on the two stators as a sine and a cosine of the rotor's angle. (Some resolvers have two rotors at 90 degrees, so they can process the output of a normal resolver with only one rotor winding, so you can add two angles. (The resolvers which I am describing are quite small, to fid in aircraft instruments.) I don't know whether there are larger 60 Hz resolvers as there are larger 60 Hz synchros (the 60 Hz ones were commonly used on shipboard, where the extra weight of the 60 Hz versions was not a significant penalty. They were the ones called "Selsyn"s. And while all 400 Hz synchros which I have seen are all pretty much the same, the receivers on the 60 Hz ones had an inertial damper on the shaft, while the transmitters did not) The resolvers have either six leads (two for the rotor, four for the two independent windings) or eight leads (two for each winding in the rotor, and two for each winding in the stator. So -- I would really expect the Troyke rotating table to have a synchro and a servo amp, but it could be a resolver, and some way to connect that to a servo motor and amplifier. Enjoy, DoN. That was good Don. The 60 cycles/per/second - they were of that age - off B-36 or B-52 frames. The Bronze bodies are like 5 pound coffee cans. Heavy. I have to drag them out and check the wires... Air force used many of them in various Analog systems... Martin |
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