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I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.

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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.


What did you say you had for machine tools?

Building machinery takes lots of time or money. I spent most of the
morning making one custom-sized split shaft clamp like this from
aluminum to support new guy lines on my antenna mast.
http://www.staffordmfg.com/Product-C...p-Type-Collars

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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:02:09 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.


What did you say you had for machine tools?


Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds, TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.


Building machinery takes lots of time or money. I spent most of the
morning making one custom-sized split shaft clamp like this from
aluminum to support new guy lines on my antenna mast.
http://www.staffordmfg.com/Product-C...p-Type-Collars


Alas, "I'd love to" and "I'm starting to" are two different things.
Funding -may- play some small part in this.

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of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:02:09 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little
beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.


What did you say you had for machine tools?


Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds,
TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of
delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's
a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.


Building machinery takes lots of time or money. I spent most of the
morning making one custom-sized split shaft clamp like this from
aluminum to support new guy lines on my antenna mast.
http://www.staffordmfg.com/Product-C...p-Type-Collars


Alas, "I'd love to" and "I'm starting to" are two different things.
Funding -may- play some small part in this.


You can build quite a lot with a bandsaw, drill press and welder if
you design the power transmission around $tock components.
http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=220003011

Most of my sawmill and a good fraction of my front end loader were
sawn and welded, and most of the parts I machined could have been
bought. The ones I made were considerably less bulky, being integrated
into the structures instead of bolted on.

http://store.cookssaw.com/sawmill-pa...-1-1-2-blades/
Having machine tools let me make them from bar stock and $5 of skate
bearings.

When I was estimating quotes to respond to RFQs for custom equipment I
had to quickly learn to decide between building or buying. I read many
catalogs of components.
http://www.wmberg.com/

http://www.actuate.com/download/whit...ild-vs-buy.pdf

I tend to build the first example of something new like this aluminum
shaft collar for the experience. I've been tinkering with adapting an
APC SU1400 pure-sine UPS to solar power and first learned how to make
the custom serial cable and reprogram it at low level with Hyperterm
before using the third-party applications apcupsd.exe and apcfix.exe:
http://www.apcupsd.org/
http://apc-fix.com/apcfix

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On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:39:19 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:02:09 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little
beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.

What did you say you had for machine tools?


Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds,
TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of
delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's
a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.


Building machinery takes lots of time or money. I spent most of the
morning making one custom-sized split shaft clamp like this from
aluminum to support new guy lines on my antenna mast.
http://www.staffordmfg.com/Product-C...p-Type-Collars


Alas, "I'd love to" and "I'm starting to" are two different things.
Funding -may- play some small part in this.


You can build quite a lot with a bandsaw, drill press and welder if
you design the power transmission around $tock components.
http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=220003011


I have a spare mandrel setup with good pillows on it, but something
like this looked interesting. I'd not abuse my files and hacksaws as
he does, though. And why didn't he use the bandsaw to cut the alum
block? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKdkAs482Po


Most of my sawmill and a good fraction of my front end loader were
sawn and welded, and most of the parts I machined could have been
bought. The ones I made were considerably less bulky, being integrated
into the structures instead of bolted on.


This is good!


http://store.cookssaw.com/sawmill-pa...-1-1-2-blades/
Having machine tools let me make them from bar stock and $5 of skate
bearings.


And they're 25x cheaper and probably last longer. That $5 got you a
10pk roll of bearings, right? I picked some up to make small machine
skates for the shop.


When I was estimating quotes to respond to RFQs for custom equipment I
had to quickly learn to decide between building or buying. I read many
catalogs of components.
http://www.wmberg.com/


Sounds familiar. I think they might have been one of the vendors when
I was doing QA work.


http://www.actuate.com/download/whit...ild-vs-buy.pdf


Will read, thanks.


I tend to build the first example of something new like this aluminum
shaft collar for the experience. I've been tinkering with adapting an
APC SU1400 pure-sine UPS to solar power and first learned how to make
the custom serial cable and reprogram it at low level with Hyperterm
before using the third-party applications apcupsd.exe and apcfix.exe:
http://www.apcupsd.org/
http://apc-fix.com/apcfix


I'll have to check those out. Every time I look at logging
controllers, I find something else to delve into before settling on
any one of them. Did you build your own MPPT controller, or just do
the logging communications with the computer?

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of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
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I tend to build the first example of something new like this
aluminum
shaft collar for the experience. I've been tinkering with adapting
an
APC SU1400 pure-sine UPS to solar power and first learned how to
make
the custom serial cable and reprogram it at low level with Hyperterm
before using the third-party applications apcupsd.exe and
apcfix.exe:
http://www.apcupsd.org/
http://apc-fix.com/apcfix


I'll have to check those out. Every time I look at logging
controllers, I find something else to delve into before settling on
any one of them. Did you build your own MPPT controller, or just do
the logging communications with the computer?


Sometimes you find a UPS with swollen batteries very cheap. This one
was free. They are better for standby use than as daily solar power
inverters because their internal power consumption is high, 40W for
this one.

AFAICT, MPPT isn't cost-effective below 200W. I intend this small
system for power-outage backup and mainly use it to keep my battery
zoo well fed, for which a homebrew adjustable linear voltage regulator
with Volt & Amp meters works fine. I built a 10A 0-35V adjustable
power supply to handle any deep discharges.

At this moment I have one of these recording the discharge - recharge
calibration cycle of the APC's batteries:
http://www.amazon.com/UNI-T-Multimet.../dp/B007THZMWI

Normally the voltmeters on the batteries are enough to judge their
state of charge and tell when they need attention. The charge and
discharge of Lithiums is nearly 100% efficient and worth monitoring,
but lead-acids charge too inefficiently near full voltage to bother
with datalogging..

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My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.


I've got a cherry BP for sale!

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On 2/19/2016 1:09 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.


I've got a cherry BP for sale!


$5 and you'll walk it on over to my shop? GREAT!

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of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:02:09 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.


What did you say you had for machine tools?


Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds, TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.

Next time you come down, plan on bringing a trailer loaded with a
small milling machine, home with you. I think Im gonna give you the
Hales (Yamazon) mill in the back yard. You will however have to repair
the x axis nut. With luck, Glenn will be able to help you with it.



Building machinery takes lots of time or money. I spent most of the
morning making one custom-sized split shaft clamp like this from
aluminum to support new guy lines on my antenna mast.
http://www.staffordmfg.com/Product-C...p-Type-Collars


Alas, "I'd love to" and "I'm starting to" are two different things.
Funding -may- play some small part in this.

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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:09:21 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:02:09 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.

What did you say you had for machine tools?


Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds, TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.

Next time you come down, plan on bringing a trailer loaded with a
small milling machine, home with you. I think Im gonna give you the
Hales (Yamazon) mill in the back yard. You will however have to repair
the x axis nut. With luck, Glenn will be able to help you with it.


Thanks! Is it like this one? http://tinyurl.com/zsasrlh It may be
too big for my shop, tho. And what does it weigh?

I'm putting up more shelving this month and rearranging all of it to
find more floor space than the _deer_path_ I've been squeezing through
for the past decade or so. sigh

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:09:21 -0800, Larry Jaques
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.

What did you say you had for machine tools?

Um, let's see. I have several hammers! :/

For metalworking, so far: a drill press, portable bandsaw (time to
make a base for it), several 4" angle grinders, disc/belt sander
combo, table saw (for aluminum and plastics), indicators and bases,
calipers and other measuring devices, 3" sine vise, angle plate,
v-blocks, tapping stand, grinder, buffer and 1/2 dozen compounds, TIG
welder w/ argon, various square tubing sizes, various chunks of delrin
and other plastics, etc. Not a whole lot of machine tools, but it's a
start.

My buddy, Gunner, refuses to find a $5 compact vertical mill for me,
but my buddy, Glenn, lets me use his gear head mill, lathe, and real
TIG when I need them. He's half an hour away.

Next time you come down, plan on bringing a trailer loaded with a
small milling machine, home with you. I think Im gonna give you the
Hales (Yamazon) mill in the back yard. You will however have to repair
the x axis nut. With luck, Glenn will be able to help you with it.


Thanks! Is it like this one? http://tinyurl.com/zsasrlh It may be
too big for my shop, tho. And what does it weigh?


Ayup...Ill be damned..first one Ive ever seen on Ebay. About 750-900
lbs at most. Horizontal AND vertical spindles. Its about 1/3 the size
of a BP. Very compact mill. No more than about 4' deep and 3' wide.
Put it in a corner and you will be good to go.
2hp vertical motor and 3hp horizontal motor.

You dont remember seeing it? Fit in the back of your pickup with no
issues. 220 3ph though..IRRC. We can do some work arounds if you dont
have an RPC


I'm putting up more shelving this month and rearranging all of it to
find more floor space than the _deer_path_ I've been squeezing through
for the past decade or so. sigh


I did a shop a month or so ago...we put up pallet racking and put his
machines UNDER the pallet racks, so much of his storage is overhead
and it provided good places for lighting above his machines.

Gunner
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Thanks! Is it like this one? http://tinyurl.com/zsasrlh It may be
too big for my shop, tho. And what does it weigh?

I'm putting up more shelving this month and rearranging all of it to
find more floor space than the _deer_path_ I've been squeezing
through
for the past decade or so. sigh


I don't have room for a Bridgeport and bought a smaller Clausing knee
mill, which is very similar to this:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x...orklight/G0801

I had an early 1990's Enco version of it in my model shop at Mitre. A
better-made one could be a nice milling machine for a space-limited
home shop. The Clausing disassembled into pieces light enough to move
down stairs on a handtruck.

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On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:18:25 PM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.



For tracks you can use tires with the sidewall cut off. And use two air cooled engines instead of trying to find a differential. Or maybe use one engine driving a pump and two hydraulic motors.

Dan
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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.



For tracks you can use tires with the sidewall cut off. And use two
air cooled engines instead of trying to find a differential. Or
maybe use one engine driving a pump and two hydraulic motors.

Dan


ISTR a truck tire that used tread replacement units , you deflated the
tire , swapped the band , and re-inflated . Bet those would work better , no
fish-hooks from the steel belt . Just can't remember what they were called -
Bandag maybe ?

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ISTR a truck tire that used tread replacement units , you deflated the
tire , swapped the band , and re-inflated . Bet those would work better , no
fish-hooks from the steel belt . Just can't remember what they were called -
Bandag maybe ?

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I have tried it with regular tires. You can use a box knife and cut the side walls away. No problem from the steel belt. You do not have to cut close to the steel belt.

Dan



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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.



For tracks you can use tires with the sidewall cut off. And use two
air cooled engines instead of trying to find a differential. Or
maybe use one engine driving a pump and two hydraulic motors.

Dan


ISTR a truck tire that used tread replacement units , you deflated the
tire , swapped the band , and re-inflated . Bet those would work better , no
fish-hooks from the steel belt . Just can't remember what they were called -
Bandag maybe ?


Tanks, I'll googlit.

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http://tinyurl.com/z56msjj

I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.
Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.



For tracks you can use tires with the sidewall cut off. And use two air cooled engines instead of trying to find a differential. Or maybe use one engine driving a pump and two hydraulic motors.

Dan


I would probably just start with an old scrapped out Jiger, Scrambler...
Then you just have to adapt the remote control to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_ATV

A much more useful device would be a remote controlled lawn/brush mower
or in my area snow blower...

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I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.


Go ahead and do it, it is not super difficult. It will cost you a lot,
but it is fun.

i

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I'd love to build a scaled version of one of these little beauties.


Go ahead and do it, it is not super difficult. It will cost you a
lot,
but it is fun.

i

Specs are outstanding. I wonder what diesel engine they're using.
Is this the first diesel hybrid plugin? I don't recall seeing one
before.


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