Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/15/2015 7:29 AM, John B. wrote:
But as for the midst of a gun battle. I don't envision the O.P.'s wife getting in any gunfights with her 380. -- cheers, John B. The first premise of teaching (and learning) self defense is to NOT get in a gunfight in the first place! |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/15/2015 1:07 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Mine has been drawn in defense twice. Both times the simple sight of a gun made the perp leave the area with no shots fired. However I have run a LOT of tests in ballistic gelatin and the ammo I use does a good job. Is it a one shot stop? Don't know but shot placement means a lot in that regard. I have talked to officers and soldiers who have watched "bad guys" keep coming after multiple hits from 9mm and .40 as well as .45 cal. Poor shot placement? |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/15/2015 1:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
We differ there. Nickel and pearl handles...pimps and Cadillacs. Ive got a few Stainless Steel handguns, some of them Ive given a very very fine bead blast to..to break up the shine. I think the only nickel handgun Ive ever owned was an Iver Johnson Third Model Safety Automatic revolver in 32 S&W..and the finish was badly flaking and looked like ****. Traded it off almost 35 yrs ago for something or another..dont remember what..and never bothered with another nickle handgun. I tend to go for 4" guns, though Ive got about 8-9 or so over that. Not counting the Contenders of course..shrug. The 19 is Nickle but in '73 I didn't choose the gun because of the finish, it was just a good deal. Then I chose Nickle because people shied away from them and I kept getting better guns for less. About half of my Smiths are nickle and they get used more because of the ease of clean-up. |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 4:13:01 AM UTC-5, Gunner Asch wrote:
Here in California..autoloaders are the expensive items and wheelguns are the also rans. Everybody has jumped on the autoloader bandwagon and wheel guns can be had cheap. Particularly .38s. Now Mod 57s..thats another story..but its because they are largely collectors items. I had a guy offer me a nice 4" Mod 15 the other day for $150. Heck, I bought a 15 a few months ago for $300, which was a bargain around here. |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:42:10 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I had access to a BUckmark..buddies gun, liked it far better than the Ruger 22..and I have 3 of the 22 self loaders Ruger makes A Buckmark is what a Mark wants to be when it grows up. (Grin) |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
My .380 workups...
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Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/12/2015 09:13 PM, Rex wrote:
G42 shoots about as easy as any .380 I have shot, certainly better than a 38 snubbie. A .38 with 4" barrel and low-recoil defense ammo might be a good solution You might also look at the Ruger LC380 and the Walther PK380. The latter has a thumb safety a 3-year-old boy has died after being accidentally shot in the head by his 6-year-old brother The six-year-old found the loaded revolver on top of the refrigerator |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/18/2015 5:50 PM, Karbic wrote:
On 10/12/2015 09:13 PM, Rex wrote: G42 shoots about as easy as any .380 I have shot, certainly better than a 38 snubbie. A .38 with 4" barrel and low-recoil defense ammo might be a good solution You might also look at the Ruger LC380 and the Walther PK380. The latter has a thumb safety a 3-year-old boy has died after being accidentally shot in the head by his 6-year-old brother The six-year-old found the loaded revolver on top of the refrigerator Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:01:10 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/18/2015 5:50 PM, Karbic wrote: On 10/12/2015 09:13 PM, Rex wrote: G42 shoots about as easy as any .380 I have shot, certainly better than a 38 snubbie. A .38 with 4" barrel and low-recoil defense ammo might be a good solution You might also look at the Ruger LC380 and the Walther PK380. The latter has a thumb safety a 3-year-old boy has died after being accidentally shot in the head by his 6-year-old brother The six-year-old found the loaded revolver on top of the refrigerator Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. Idiocracy Happens. The laws are in the books already, so there is no need to add to the existing 20,000 laws, right? BTW, any parent who doesn't introduce their very young children to guns should also be whupped upside the haid. Familiarity reduces accidents. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:54:40 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Yep! I have had a bunch of guns floating around the house and we raised one of our own and a bunch of foster kids with no incidents. Familarity, training and actually taking them out to shoot with regularity teachs the little ****s safe handling and they do pass what they learned along to their friends and children |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
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Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/19/2015 11:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:54:40 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Yep! I have had a bunch of guns floating around the house and we raised one of our own and a bunch of foster kids with no incidents. Familarity, training and actually taking them out to shoot with regularity teachs the little ****s safe handling and they do pass what they learned along to their friends and children You can't train or trust a 3 year-old. No safe, no brains! |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/19/2015 9:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Idiocracy Happens. The laws are in the books already, so there is no need to add to the existing 20,000 laws, right? BTW, any parent who doesn't introduce their very young children to guns should also be whupped upside the haid. Familiarity reduces accidents. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:10:29 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/19/2015 11:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:54:40 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Yep! I have had a bunch of guns floating around the house and we raised one of our own and a bunch of foster kids with no incidents. Familarity, training and actually taking them out to shoot with regularity teachs the little ****s safe handling and they do pass what they learned along to their friends and children You can't train or trust a 3 year-old. No safe, no brains! No ability to operate a 1911 either if its out of their reach |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:07:28 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/19/2015 8:54 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Depends on how old they are. Kids have friends over. Why take the chance? The responsible thing to do is get a safe! Depends on where you live. In my neck of the desert...literaly every home has at least one firearm in it. Accidental shootings are literally unheard of. In areas where gun owners are minorities..might be another story. I have gun cabinets simply to keep the dust off them. They do have decent locks..but there are arms here and there hidden throughout my home. Now if someone from out of the area brings in kids and they are not gun people...I advise them to keep an eye on their kids..as there are guns around. Most of them wont be loaded with one up the spout..but some indeed will be. And I put up the ones that are within gun ignorant kids reach until they leave. |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:12:14 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/19/2015 9:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Idiocracy Happens. The laws are in the books already, so there is no need to add to the existing 20,000 laws, right? BTW, any parent who doesn't introduce their very young children to guns should also be whupped upside the haid. Familiarity reduces accidents. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 1:10:39 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
You can't train or trust a 3 year-old. No safe, no brains! You may not be able to teach a 3 year old. But some of us are better at teaching than that. Dan |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:07:28 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/19/2015 8:54 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Depends on how old they are. Kids have friends over. Why take the chance? The responsible thing to do is get a safe! I have the feeling that is at least partially the modern attitude to those dangerous things. When I was a kid I would venture to say that every farm house had at least one gun "behind the kitchen door" and many undoubtedly had more than one. Kids were taught from the time that they could crawl not to "fool when them guns". My granddad kept five or six guns in the corner and the grand kids were taught not to touch them and we didn't. And as I remember it, there wasn't much appeal to them, more of less like daddy's double bitted axe or his favorite framing hammer. We knew what they were and we knew not to fool with them and likely by the time we were 12 years old we had one of our own anyway. My father bought me a Winchester single shot; bolt action,.22 when I was 12 years old after I had bucked stove wood for a half hour every day after school all winter long. I guess there weren't any laws about child labor in those days and that rifle cost a whole five dollars, second hand. And I dare you to touch MY gun :-( -- cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:11:24 +0700
John B. wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:07:28 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/19/2015 8:54 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Depends on how old they are. Kids have friends over. Why take the chance? The responsible thing to do is get a safe! I have the feeling that is at least partially the modern attitude to those dangerous things. When I was a kid I would venture to say that every farm house had at least one gun "behind the kitchen door" and many undoubtedly had more than one. Kids were taught from the time that they could crawl not to "fool when them guns". My granddad kept five or six guns in the corner and the grand kids were taught not to touch them and we didn't. And as I remember it, there wasn't much appeal to them, more of less like daddy's double bitted axe or his favorite framing hammer. We knew what they were and we knew not to fool with them and likely by the time we were 12 years old we had one of our own anyway. My father bought me a Winchester single shot; bolt action,.22 when I was 12 years old after I had bucked stove wood for a half hour every day after school all winter long. I guess there weren't any laws about child labor in those days and that rifle cost a whole five dollars, second hand. And I dare you to touch MY gun :-( -- cheers, John B. +1 Didn't really have the farm, just some property in a rural area. It was usually a double barrel shotgun that stood beside the kitchen door. As a very young kid the twin triggers were what always intrigued me the most. More often than not it was loaded too. It was something you didn't mess with unless Dad was supervising. They were just a part of the house no different than the gas stove or knives in the kitchen. There was a bolt-action .22 standing by a bedroom door. I had free access to rifles and shotguns to take out hunting when I was around 10 years old. Don't remember a specific date, it just gradually happened. I didn't get to have a BB gun till I was well into my teens. Dad didn't like BB guns and looking back now I know why... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:12:14 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/19/2015 9:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Idiocracy Happens. The laws are in the books already, so there is no need to add to the existing 20,000 laws, right? BTW, any parent who doesn't introduce their very young children to guns should also be whupped upside the haid. Familiarity reduces accidents. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Yeah, and "We can always have another kid." -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:36:17 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:12:14 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/19/2015 9:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Idiocracy Happens. The laws are in the books already, so there is no need to add to the existing 20,000 laws, right? BTW, any parent who doesn't introduce their very young children to guns should also be whupped upside the haid. Familiarity reduces accidents. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Got steel plate and a welder, son? wink, wink, nudge, nudge -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:04:05 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:54:40 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Yep! I have had a bunch of guns floating around the house and we raised one of our own and a bunch of foster kids with no incidents. Familarity, training and actually taking them out to shoot with regularity teachs the little ****s safe handling and they do pass what they learned along to their friends and children It's why our generations were safe to carry weapons to school and hunt or plink on the way home. A gun is merely another tool in our arsenal of wrestling/dancing with the world. But one doesn't have to spend thousands on a safe. Locking gun cabinets keep weapons out of the hands of kids and minor thieves, too. 8/10/12-long-gun cabinets cost under $200, and pistol cabinets start at $50. http://tinyurl.com/nze797r / http://tinyurl.com/pnmyoll -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:35:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:07:28 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/19/2015 8:54 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:01:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: Any gun owner that doesn't have and use a safe should be shot! Also, if you have kids, get one with a combination lock, kids will ALWAYS find keys. All gun owners should teach gun safety to all the members of their family. Kids are likely to find guns sometime. If the kids know gun safety, they will be okay even if they find guns and ammunition at the neighbours house. Dan Depends on how old they are. Kids have friends over. Why take the chance? The responsible thing to do is get a safe! Depends on where you live. In my neck of the desert...literaly every home has at least one firearm in it. Accidental shootings are literally unheard of. In areas where gun owners are minorities..might be another story. I have gun cabinets simply to keep the dust off them. They do have Har! Unfortunately, your big cabinet doesn't really keep the dust off them. Then again, it's large enough to have its own environment. Have you seen clouds yet? decent locks..but there are arms here and there hidden throughout my home. Now if someone from out of the area brings in kids and they are not gun people...I advise them to keep an eye on their kids..as there are guns around. Most of them wont be loaded with one up the spout.. 'Loaded with 1 chambered' is good. Hot prowls and kicked-in doors don't leave you time to get up, remember the key/combination to the safe, and secure a weapon. but some indeed will be. And I put up the ones that are within gun ignorant kids reach until they leave. Good. I don't invite those types inside. g -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:02:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 1:10:39 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: You can't train or trust a 3 year-old. No safe, no brains! You may not be able to teach a 3 year old. But some of us are better at teaching than that. Dan And some aren't. That's why there's an issue. Some people think it isn't an issue. And that's why it's a problem. Around 110 children ages 0 - 14 die in accidental shootings each year. Many more are injured. 2/3 of them are shot by someone else -- 80% of whom are family or friends. In the distant past, we rarely even heard of these cases. Today, we hear about a lot more of them. Whether the numbers have gone up or down, I don't know and I'm not about to look. But it seems likely that changes in gun culture (there actually are several different ones in the US) have introduced a lot of people to gun ownership who weren't brought up like you were, or like John B., or me. So, in the end, what Tom is saying makes sense -- locking up guns when they're not actually in use is a lot more appropriate to the realities of the world today, than teaching kids not to touch the shotgun nehind the door. Those countries that have a relatively large number of guns, such as Switzerland, have vastly fewer deaths and injuries than we have, and that applies to people of all ages. And they lock up their guns. -- Ed Huntress |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:
You may not be able to teach a 3 year old. But some of us are better at teaching than that. Dan locking up guns when they're not actually in use is a lot more appropriate to the realities of the world today, than teaching kids not to touch the shotgun nehind the door. -- Ed Huntress I prefer to secure the ammunition. It is a lot smaller package to lock up and has less interest to kids. And I do not teach kids not to touch guns. ] teach them how to check to see that they are not loaded. Not just the magazine , but also the chamber. And if it has a tubular magazine, to thump the butt on the floor to be sure there is not one in the magazine. And that you never point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot. And also teach them to shoot. At three maybe a pellet rifle, but at about 7 teach shooting a .22. Trying to teach them not to touch the shotgun behind the door just makes them curious about the shotgun. The more time you spend teaching them and letting them handle the guns, the less secret thrill there is at handling a gun. Dan |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote: You may not be able to teach a 3 year old. But some of us are better at teaching than that. Dan locking up guns when they're not actually in use is a lot more appropriate to the realities of the world today, than teaching kids not to touch the shotgun nehind the door. -- Ed Huntress I prefer to secure the ammunition. It is a lot smaller package to lock up and has less interest to kids. And I do not teach kids not to touch guns. ] teach them how to check to see that they are not loaded. Not just the magazine , but also the chamber. And if it has a tubular magazine, to thump the butt on the floor to be sure there is not one in the magazine. And that you never point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot. And also teach them to shoot. At three maybe a pellet rifle, but at about 7 teach shooting a .22. Trying to teach them not to touch the shotgun behind the door just makes them curious about the shotgun. The more time you spend teaching them and letting them handle the guns, the less secret thrill there is at handling a gun. Dan Well, my father handled it just fine, and I got my first rifle at age 11. I suppose your father did, too. And so did John's. The trouble is the millions who didn't have such fathers. -- Ed Huntress |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On 10/20/2015 2:35 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Depends on where you live. In my neck of the desert...literaly every home has at least one firearm in it. Accidental shootings are literally unheard of. In areas where gun owners are minorities..might be another story. I have gun cabinets simply to keep the dust off them. They do have decent locks..but there are arms here and there hidden throughout my home. Now if someone from out of the area brings in kids and they are not gun people...I advise them to keep an eye on their kids..as there are guns around. Most of them wont be loaded with one up the spout..but some indeed will be. And I put up the ones that are within gun ignorant kids reach until they leave. My point is covered, when I say "safe", a locked cabinet qualifies, that's all I have. But a $20 locked box is awfully cheap insurance for the typical novice with his one handgun. Don't forget that you are not the typical gun owner. For you, safety is instinctual. |
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On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:09:22 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:35 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: Depends on where you live. In my neck of the desert...literaly every home has at least one firearm in it. Accidental shootings are literally unheard of. In areas where gun owners are minorities..might be another story. I have gun cabinets simply to keep the dust off them. They do have decent locks..but there are arms here and there hidden throughout my home. Now if someone from out of the area brings in kids and they are not gun people...I advise them to keep an eye on their kids..as there are guns around. Most of them wont be loaded with one up the spout..but some indeed will be. And I put up the ones that are within gun ignorant kids reach until they leave. My point is covered, when I say "safe", a locked cabinet qualifies, that's all I have. But a $20 locked box is awfully cheap insurance for the typical novice with his one handgun. Don't forget that you are not the typical gun owner. For you, safety is instinctual. ....unless he forgets how many concealed handguns he has on him at any particular time...it may be hard to keep track. Or he forgets to check his backstop when he punches another hole in his belt with his .25 cal. Raven. g -- Ed Huntress |
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On 10/20/2015 10:15 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Got steel plate and a welder, son? wink, wink, nudge, nudge -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln Gunner doesn't need a safe, he needs an armory building. |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:13:07 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:14:29 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote: On 10/20/2015 10:15 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Got steel plate and a welder, son? wink, wink, nudge, nudge -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln Gunner doesn't need a safe, he needs an armory building. Several, Tawm. Several. -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
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On 10/20/2015 6:14 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
....unless he forgets how many concealed handguns he has on him at any particular time...it may be hard to keep track. Or he forgets to check his backstop when he punches another hole in his belt with his .25 cal. Raven. g I have that .25 "Raven Super Target Model" |
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On 10/20/2015 10:27 PM, John B. wrote:
Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? -- cheers, John B. If the cook ****s up... |
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"John B." wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:13:07 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? Not at all. They are kept ready just in case some idiot foreigner mouths off about taking away our Second Amendment. We have no desire to be turned into the sissies that you losers allowed yourself to become. We welcome any of you whiny assed little girls to come and try to disarm us. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: "John B." wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:13:07 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? He meant "loaded crank pin", I think. Not at all. They are kept ready just in case some idiot foreigner mouths off about taking away our Second Amendment. We have no desire to be turned into the sissies that you losers allowed yourself to become. +1 We welcome any of you whiny assed little girls to come and try to disarm us. Nix the bravado. Someone is liable to take you seriously. We do not. We urge them to GTF and STF out of our country and our business, thank you very much. UN, take note: Your gun control, your One World Government, and your Agenda 21 are NOT welcome here. EVER! -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: "John B." wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:13:07 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? He meant "loaded crank pin", I think. Not at all. They are kept ready just in case some idiot foreigner mouths off about taking away our Second Amendment. We have no desire to be turned into the sissies that you losers allowed yourself to become. +1 We welcome any of you whiny assed little girls to come and try to disarm us. Nix the bravado. Someone is liable to take you seriously. Some gun fearing moron is going to travel half way around the globe to confront me? In their case, their government was correct. They are not competent enough to own, use or even touch any weapon. They are keyboard warriors who have never faced down someone with a gun, nor crawled through mud with a loaded M16. They would have a heart attack if they were ever close when a grenade went off. We do not. We urge them to GTF and STF out of our country and our business, thank you very much. UN, take note: Your gun control, your One World Government, and your Agenda 21 are NOT welcome here. EVER! -- Some people confuse change with progress. --Abraham Lincoln |
Recommendations on .380 ACP ammunition.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:24:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: "John B." wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:13:07 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote: On 10/20/2015 2:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: I know, safes cost tens of thousands of dollars, so why waste the money? Actually..big safes cost many thousands of dollars. How much for one that will hold 77 rifles and handguns? Gunner You know the point I'm trying to make, don't fight me. Perhaps a better question might be "why was there a loaded piston on the top of the fridge". Are U.S. kitchens so dangerous that one needs to go armed? Not at all. They are kept ready just in case some idiot foreigner mouths off about taking away our Second Amendment. We have no desire to be turned into the sissies that you losers allowed yourself to become. We welcome any of you whiny assed little girls to come and try to disarm us. The word intended was "pistol", not "piston", but that aside, you are saying that the threat to the 2nd amendment is actually so grave that one needs a gun in the kitchen to defend it? One is forced to ask, is there one in the toilet also? Or do you feel safe relieving yourself without an armory to defend you? -- cheers, John B. |
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