Is there a general rule(s) that describe the stiffness of a round tubing
to the stiffness of a solid rod? For instance: is 1" dia. round rod
stiffer than 1 " dia. x .125" wall tubing? How much larger dia. tubing
equals a solid rod of a certain dia.?
Is tubing inherently stiffer because it has 2 surfaces (inside and
outside) that oppose each other? Thanks.

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Is there a general rule(s) that describe the stiffness of a round
tubing
to the stiffness of a solid rod? For instance: is 1" dia. round rod
stiffer than 1 " dia. x .125" wall tubing? How much larger dia.
tubing
equals a solid rod of a certain dia.?
Is tubing inherently stiffer because it has 2 surfaces (inside and
outside) that oppose each other? Thanks.

When you bend something the outer part of the curve is in tension, the
inner part in compression. There's a plane through roughly the center
called the neutral axis that is neither stretched nor compressed. The
stretching or compressing of any individual tiny part ("fiber") is
proportional to its distance from the neutral axis, so the inner and
outer sufaces, where deformation and thus resistance to it is
greatest, contribute the most to stiffness.

Tubing isn't stiffer than solid rod, but the extra metal inside the
rod adds more weight without contributing proportionally as much to
the stiffness since it's closer to the neutral axis, so a horizontal
solid rod sags more from gravity under its own greater weight. However
it supports an added external bending load better.

I haven't yet found an intuitive explanation of Beam Deflection and
the derivation of its formulas on the Net. I learned (and forgot) it
in college Physics class. Look for a used "Statics" textbook. I use
Harry Parker's steel and timber books because Den Hartog's, though
excellent, are difficult to wade through without a live instructor.
http://www.amazon.com/Simplified-Des...89HF82EMZKC0W4
http://www.amazon.com/Simplified-Des.../dp/0471179892
"Written to be easily understood by readers with limited experience in
engineering mechanics, structural analysis, or advanced
mathematics,..."

AFAIK the answer to your quesrion is that you have to figure the
stiffness of either rod or tube separately and compare them. You can
plug the desired result into the formula and work backwards to the
dimensions that will give it. For tubing you have to specify either
the outer diameter or the wall thickness before you can calculate the
other.

-jsw

On 05/23/2015 9:18 PM, jack wrote:
Is there a general rule(s) that describe the stiffness of a round tubing
to the stiffness of a solid rod? For instance: is 1" dia. round rod
stiffer than 1 " dia. x .125" wall tubing? How much larger dia. tubing
equals a solid rod of a certain dia.?
Is tubing inherently stiffer because it has 2 surfaces (inside and
outside) that oppose each other? Thanks.

"It all depends..." On what you really are talking about by
"stiffness" in the application. For simple deflection away from yield,
of a laterally-applied it's basically directly proportional to the area
moment of inertia; otoh, if it's used a column with axial loading that's
significant factor but the yield mechanism is different.

But, no, as a general rule a tube isn't anyways nearly as strong against
lateral loading as a solid rod of the same OD.

Ibar = pi*d^4/64 for a solid cylinder, a hollow cylinder is the same
thing excepting you must subtract out the inner area --

Icyl=pi*[do^4-di^4]/64

So, the cylinder is quite a lot less and gets that way much faster as
the wall becomes thinner.

There's truth in the weight:strength argument above and there's
complexity in a detailed answer, but the rough idea is given above.

It's the material that matters--geometry is important in comparison, but
it takes actual material to stand up.

Think about how a thin wall tube crushes whereas the solid rod bends
uniformly...

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On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 7:18:03 PM UTC-7, jack wrote:
Is there a general rule(s) that describe the stiffness of a round tubing
to the stiffness of a solid rod? For instance: is 1" dia. round rod
stiffer than 1 " dia. x .125" wall tubing? How much larger dia. tubing
equals a solid rod of a certain dia.?

For a full treatment, see Roark, _Formulas for Stress and Strain_.
Plan on spending a few days...
For a given material, and quantity of material (pounds per foot),
the tube will be stiffer as long as you keep the deflection low (don't
buckle the material of the tube).