On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, F. George McDuffee wrote:
Two articles showing where the manufacturing (and shortly
other jobs such as fast food) jobs are going.

http://tinyurl.com/qc3cda2

http://tinyurl.com/pobbk8b


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"


The robots have to be programmed.

CADCAM programs still have to be created.

Jobs still have to be setup.

Modern, high-tech, state of the art, machining job shops haven't employed button pushers for many years.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

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The robots have to be programmed.

CADCAM programs still have to be created.

Jobs still have to be setup.

Modern, high-tech, state of the art, machining job shops haven't employed button pushers for many years.
snip

Indeed, but the people for those jobs are not the same
people that were displaced from the manufacturing line jobs.

==Remember 50% of the population is below average in
intelligence [and almost all other factors]==. I am still
looking for a study showing the median/average and 1st
decile [cutoff] IQ distribution for these "high-tech" and
other positions, so I can compare to the known adult
population IQ distribution. There are of course categories
within the aggregate IQ score which may be more significant
than aggregate IQ such as spatial
discrimination/visualization.
http://tinyurl.com/n3ut8qn

My rapidly growing suspicion is we are unintentionally
creating a situation where an increasing fraction of the US
population is [gainfully] unemployable, thereby producing a
permanent under class, which is not only dangerously
sociopolitically destabilizing, but increasingly expensive
to maintain [SNAP, section 8, Medicare/ACA, etc.] Dr.
Frankenstein didn't intend to create a monster either.
FWIW: The main danger may well come from above in the form
of "negative eugenics" to "solve" the problem, compounded by
an ever increasing lower IQ limit. Quick-- make a sentence
using the words hare, hunter and field.
http://tinyurl.com/2jhap4

As an analogy, if physical strength were the limiting
factor, we could impose rigorous PT in the schools, but if
the minimum is the ability to bench-press 200 kilos, a
significant minority, and possibly a majority, will never
meet the 200 kilo requirement, no matter how long/hard they
train, or how many steroids they take. We may already be at
this intelligence cut-off point. http://tinyurl.com/nsmm6rq


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:56:42 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

wrote:

snip
The robots have to be programmed.

CADCAM programs still have to be created.

Jobs still have to be setup.

Modern, high-tech, state of the art, machining job shops haven't employed button pushers for many years.
snip

Complete and utter bull****. In fact..they have managed to improve the
machines well enough that they hire nose pickers barely able to read a
mic and put them to running those very machines. Which is why Jonboi
is unemployed. He required mic reading training after each potty break
so they finally let him go.



Indeed, but the people for those jobs are not the same
people that were displaced from the manufacturing line jobs.

Gunner, who is in commercial machine shops 5-10 times a week..working
on those machines..and dealing with those nose pickers.

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...

==Remember 50% of the population is below average in
intelligence [and almost all other factors]==. I am still
looking for a study showing the median/average and 1st
decile [cutoff] IQ distribution for these "high-tech" and
other positions, so I can compare to the known adult
population IQ distribution. There are of course categories
within the aggregate IQ score which may be more significant
than aggregate IQ such as spatial
discrimination/visualization.
http://tinyurl.com/n3ut8qn

This is old problem for the military. I went through an electronic
school with a very high failure rate. AFAIK they used it to sort
recruits by skill level and sent the dropouts to appropriate other
classes.

http://www.navy.com/careers/engineer...chnology.html#

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:56:42 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

wrote:

snip
The robots have to be programmed.

CADCAM programs still have to be created.

Jobs still have to be setup.

Modern, high-tech, state of the art, machining job shops haven't
employed button pushers for many years.
snip

Complete and utter bull****. In fact..they have managed to improve
the
machines well enough that they hire nose pickers barely able to read
a
mic and put them to running those very machines. Which is why
Jonboi
is unemployed. He required mic reading training after each potty
break
so they finally let him go.



Indeed, but the people for those jobs are not the same
people that were displaced from the manufacturing line jobs.

Gunner, who is in commercial machine shops 5-10 times a
week..working
on those machines..and dealing with those nose pickers.

I encountered that problem when designing control panels for auto
industry machinery. They would assign the least competent operator who
could run it. I learned why start buttons are shielded and stop
buttons aren't when I saw a girl slap the controls without ever
looking up from her romance novel.
-jsw

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-7, F. George McDuffee wrote:

Indeed, but the people for those jobs are not the same
people that were displaced from the manufacturing line jobs.

Right. That's a good thing!

They were almost gone well over two decades ago when I started working in machining job shops.

It's also a major problem in this group where many are totally out of touch with modern, state of the art, high-tech, machining job shops and how they operate.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 2:03:39 PM UTC-7, Mark Wieber lied:

Snipped the usual Mark Wieber lies

I thought I was in your kill file, Wieber? You couldn't resist replying because you're a lying ****bag with no clues. I have you dead to rights and you know it, loser.

There are no button pushing idiots like Mark Wieber in modern, high-tech, machining job shops like this one:

http://www.fifth-axis.com/

5th Axis would never hire an idiot and a liar like Mark Wieber. Ever.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:03:36 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:56:42 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

wrote:

snip
The robots have to be programmed.

CADCAM programs still have to be created.

Jobs still have to be setup.

Modern, high-tech, state of the art, machining job shops haven't employed button pushers for many years.
snip

Complete and utter bull****. In fact..they have managed to improve the
machines well enough that they hire nose pickers barely able to read a
mic and put them to running those very machines. Which is why Jonboi
is unemployed. He required mic reading training after each potty break
so they finally let him go.


But that isn't new. My uncle was chief electrician for a company
called "Miniature Precision Bearings" back, it must have been the
1950's and the entire manufacturing portion was "manned" with house
wives. All the grinding machines were automated and there was a single
"foreman" in each section who understood enough to make adjustments.

Later I worked with a guy that for a while had a "factory" in his two
car garage. Three Brown & Sharp Screw Machines and Mexican girls as
operators. Must have been about the same period. He said that the only
problem he had was the bar feeders clanked and he had to make holes in
the back garage wall to clear the bar stock.



Indeed, but the people for those jobs are not the same
people that were displaced from the manufacturing line jobs.

Gunner, who is in commercial machine shops 5-10 times a week..working
on those machines..and dealing with those nose pickers.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:35:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...

==Remember 50% of the population is below average in
intelligence [and almost all other factors]==. I am still
looking for a study showing the median/average and 1st
decile [cutoff] IQ distribution for these "high-tech" and
other positions, so I can compare to the known adult
population IQ distribution. There are of course categories
within the aggregate IQ score which may be more significant
than aggregate IQ such as spatial
discrimination/visualization.
http://tinyurl.com/n3ut8qn

This is old problem for the military. I went through an electronic
school with a very high failure rate. AFAIK they used it to sort
recruits by skill level and sent the dropouts to appropriate other
classes.

http://www.navy.com/careers/engineer...chnology.html#

When I enlisted in the Air Force there was almost a week of tests
during Basic. It was obvious that the "dull thuds" were assigned to
either Cooks & Bakers or Supply as their first assignment.

However, years later I was assigned temporally to a detachment that
wrote the skill tests for my specialty. The wording of both the test
questions and answers were aimed at an 8th grade level of reading
comprehension. Which was, we were told, the standard for all USAF
technical manuals.
--
cheers,

John B.

"John B." wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:35:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...

==Remember 50% of the population is below average in
intelligence [and almost all other factors]==. I am still
looking for a study showing the median/average and 1st
decile [cutoff] IQ distribution for these "high-tech" and
other positions, so I can compare to the known adult
population IQ distribution. There are of course categories
within the aggregate IQ score which may be more significant
than aggregate IQ such as spatial
discrimination/visualization.
http://tinyurl.com/n3ut8qn

This is old problem for the military. I went through an electronic
school with a very high failure rate. AFAIK they used it to sort
recruits by skill level and sent the dropouts to appropriate other
classes.

http://www.navy.com/careers/engineer...chnology.html#

When I enlisted in the Air Force there was almost a week of tests
during Basic. It was obvious that the "dull thuds" were assigned to
either Cooks & Bakers or Supply as their first assignment.

However, years later I was assigned temporally to a detachment that
wrote the skill tests for my specialty. The wording of both the test
questions and answers were aimed at an 8th grade level of reading
comprehension. Which was, we were told, the standard for all USAF
technical manuals.
--
cheers,

John B.

An ex-AF co-worker told me he had discovered that walking around with
a clipboard and occasionally pretending to write down observations
made everyone else nervous enough that they left him completely alone
for most of his tour.

-jsw

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 06:06:31 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:35:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...

==Remember 50% of the population is below average in
intelligence [and almost all other factors]==. I am still
looking for a study showing the median/average and 1st
decile [cutoff] IQ distribution for these "high-tech" and
other positions, so I can compare to the known adult
population IQ distribution. There are of course categories
within the aggregate IQ score which may be more significant
than aggregate IQ such as spatial
discrimination/visualization.
http://tinyurl.com/n3ut8qn

This is old problem for the military. I went through an electronic
school with a very high failure rate. AFAIK they used it to sort
recruits by skill level and sent the dropouts to appropriate other
classes.

http://www.navy.com/careers/engineer...chnology.html#

When I enlisted in the Air Force there was almost a week of tests
during Basic. It was obvious that the "dull thuds" were assigned to
either Cooks & Bakers or Supply as their first assignment.

However, years later I was assigned temporally to a detachment that
wrote the skill tests for my specialty. The wording of both the test
questions and answers were aimed at an 8th grade level of reading
comprehension. Which was, we were told, the standard for all USAF
technical manuals.
--
cheers,

John B.

An ex-AF co-worker told me he had discovered that walking around with
a clipboard and occasionally pretending to write down observations
made everyone else nervous enough that they left him completely alone
for most of his tour.

-jsw


Yup, that worked in places like Edwards AFB - the big test center -
where a very large percent of the work force was civilian. Not so well
at a SAC base where the only civilians worked in the mess hall. But
you did need some rank to pull it off. A Master-Sergeant with a clip
board was someone to worry about. A one striper would just be a joke.
--
cheers,

John B.