http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 9:52:49 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:

Sailboat bull**** snipped

Mark Wieber obviously missed his calling in life.

He should have been a used sailboat salesman.

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

A scary thought

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:32:39 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

A scary thought

How so?

Ive posted boats this morning that were way way undervalued and the
photos showed them to be very very very good condition.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/freesailboats/info

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailboatstuff/info

As Ive mentioned before, sailing is in a lull period. It was huge
between the mid 60s and 1980s..then went into a slow decline for the
next 30 yrs. When one bought a decent sized sailboat in the mid 1980s
for example..it cost more than a new car. So only the well off could
afford one. Being "well off" is generally a middle aged thing. Fast
forwards 30 yrs. Now those middle aged guys are elderly or dead and
all those boats are simply sitting on trailers, cradles or floating in
expensive slips. The next of kin is scattered, the widow is moving to
a condo or in with the kids and they want the boats gone.

That trend continues and with the economy in such poor shape...more of
those boats are coming up for sale at firesale prices. Some are in
poor shape, most are in decent shape..some are in excellent shape.
Even a boat in "fair" condition can be sailed and enjoyed for very
little money and maintained/restored at ones convience.

I picked up a boat/trailer in September for $300, got it home 3 weeks
ago and have been doing a restoration as work and money permits. Its
all cosmetic with no issues.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2?noredirect=1

Other boats Ive picked up and currently sail

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Oday

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...602/Ensenada20

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/FJ1

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...66802602/FJ202

Anyone want a free one..come and get this. Its solid and needs a mast
($200) and a couple weekends of cleaning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada202


Ive turned down 3 other boats in the past 3 months. I simply dont have
the time or space. Shrug

So far..my total investment, boats and supplies for restoration..has
been right at $1000, Thats (7) boats, so Im into each for less than
$150. I expect to spend another $500 (for an outboard and other
materials) by the time the last one is complete.

Come spring, Ill sort em out, sell the ones I like the least, make my
money back 5 fold..and then pick up a few more. Wash and repeat.

Its a fun hobby and is one of the reasons I spend less time here. Ive
been machining the odd part here and there and using my shop tools to
work on them.

I posted that particular boat for you as it would be a good boat for
you to break into sailing with. The price is right, the boat is solid
and well liked..No other boats were made in the numbers the Catalina
22 has been made in (15,000)..so parts are easy to find, cheap in
price and its a safe stable boat. for you and the family.

Its not..not a racer..but a great family boat.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 1:32:13 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:

snipped used sailboat salesman bull****

**** off and die, Wieber. Suggest you and iggy get a room.

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:32:39 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

A scary thought

How so?

Working on this "undervalued" garbage is a scary thought.

i

Ive posted boats this morning that were way way undervalued and the
photos showed them to be very very very good condition.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/freesailboats/info

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailboatstuff/info

As Ive mentioned before, sailing is in a lull period. It was huge
between the mid 60s and 1980s..then went into a slow decline for the
next 30 yrs. When one bought a decent sized sailboat in the mid 1980s
for example..it cost more than a new car. So only the well off could
afford one. Being "well off" is generally a middle aged thing. Fast
forwards 30 yrs. Now those middle aged guys are elderly or dead and
all those boats are simply sitting on trailers, cradles or floating in
expensive slips. The next of kin is scattered, the widow is moving to
a condo or in with the kids and they want the boats gone.

That trend continues and with the economy in such poor shape...more of
those boats are coming up for sale at firesale prices. Some are in
poor shape, most are in decent shape..some are in excellent shape.
Even a boat in "fair" condition can be sailed and enjoyed for very
little money and maintained/restored at ones convience.

I picked up a boat/trailer in September for $300, got it home 3 weeks
ago and have been doing a restoration as work and money permits. Its
all cosmetic with no issues.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2?noredirect=1

Other boats Ive picked up and currently sail

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Oday

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...602/Ensenada20

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/FJ1

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...66802602/FJ202

Anyone want a free one..come and get this. Its solid and needs a mast
($200) and a couple weekends of cleaning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada202


Ive turned down 3 other boats in the past 3 months. I simply dont have
the time or space. Shrug

So far..my total investment, boats and supplies for restoration..has
been right at $1000, Thats (7) boats, so Im into each for less than
$150. I expect to spend another $500 (for an outboard and other
materials) by the time the last one is complete.

Come spring, Ill sort em out, sell the ones I like the least, make my
money back 5 fold..and then pick up a few more. Wash and repeat.

Its a fun hobby and is one of the reasons I spend less time here. Ive
been machining the odd part here and there and using my shop tools to
work on them.

I posted that particular boat for you as it would be a good boat for
you to break into sailing with. The price is right, the boat is solid
and well liked..No other boats were made in the numbers the Catalina
22 has been made in (15,000)..so parts are easy to find, cheap in
price and its a safe stable boat. for you and the family.

Its not..not a racer..but a great family boat.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 8:03:07 PM UTC-8, Ignoramus11577 wrote:

Working on this "undervalued" garbage is a scary thought.

i


Not for a life long failure like Mark Wieber who just scrapes by.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:04 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:32:39 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

A scary thought

How so?

Working on this "undervalued" garbage is a scary thought.

Garbage? What leads you to claim that its "garbage"?

Seen it? Visit the boat? Checked it out? And your vita as to being a
boat grading expert is what again?

This coming from a scrapper is rather fascinating.

I also noted you avoided discussing the very refutation I provided
below.

Was there some reason for that Tovarich? Da?



i

Ive posted boats this morning that were way way undervalued and the
photos showed them to be very very very good condition.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/freesailboats/info

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailboatstuff/info

As Ive mentioned before, sailing is in a lull period. It was huge
between the mid 60s and 1980s..then went into a slow decline for the
next 30 yrs. When one bought a decent sized sailboat in the mid 1980s
for example..it cost more than a new car. So only the well off could
afford one. Being "well off" is generally a middle aged thing. Fast
forwards 30 yrs. Now those middle aged guys are elderly or dead and
all those boats are simply sitting on trailers, cradles or floating in
expensive slips. The next of kin is scattered, the widow is moving to
a condo or in with the kids and they want the boats gone.

That trend continues and with the economy in such poor shape...more of
those boats are coming up for sale at firesale prices. Some are in
poor shape, most are in decent shape..some are in excellent shape.
Even a boat in "fair" condition can be sailed and enjoyed for very
little money and maintained/restored at ones convience.

I picked up a boat/trailer in September for $300, got it home 3 weeks
ago and have been doing a restoration as work and money permits. Its
all cosmetic with no issues.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2?noredirect=1

Other boats Ive picked up and currently sail

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Oday

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...602/Ensenada20

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/FJ1

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...66802602/FJ202

Anyone want a free one..come and get this. Its solid and needs a mast
($200) and a couple weekends of cleaning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada202


Ive turned down 3 other boats in the past 3 months. I simply dont have
the time or space. Shrug

So far..my total investment, boats and supplies for restoration..has
been right at $1000, Thats (7) boats, so Im into each for less than
$150. I expect to spend another $500 (for an outboard and other
materials) by the time the last one is complete.

Come spring, Ill sort em out, sell the ones I like the least, make my
money back 5 fold..and then pick up a few more. Wash and repeat.

Its a fun hobby and is one of the reasons I spend less time here. Ive
been machining the odd part here and there and using my shop tools to
work on them.

I posted that particular boat for you as it would be a good boat for
you to break into sailing with. The price is right, the boat is solid
and well liked..No other boats were made in the numbers the Catalina
22 has been made in (15,000)..so parts are easy to find, cheap in
price and its a safe stable boat. for you and the family.

Its not..not a racer..but a great family boat.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 2:04:38 PM UTC-5, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:03:04 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:32:39 -0600, Ignoramus11577
wrote:

On 2015-01-25, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/4856722293.html

The model is a decent one. This particular boat is at the right price
range for an unknown sailboat of this type.

A scary thought

How so?

Working on this "undervalued" garbage is a scary thought.

Garbage? What leads you to claim that its "garbage"?

Is it brand new? Who wants used garbage?

Seen it? Visit the boat? Checked it out?

Say you're joking for once, OK? Nobody should want to unless its a brand new boat. Just like anything else. Who wants used when you can buy new?

And your vita as to being a
boat grading expert is what again?

Just buy new. That way if you have a problem, insurance covers it. No one has to worry about what was somebody else's problem.

This coming from a scrapper is rather fascinating.

I know a scrap metal hoard who has a warehouse full of steel, etc... who'd probably agree. So I doubt its unusual.

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 11:04:38 AM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:

Garbage? What leads you to claim that its "garbage"?

Seen it? Visit the boat? Checked it out? And your vita as to being a
boat grading expert is what again?

This coming from a scrapper is rather fascinating.

I also noted you avoided discussing the very refutation I provided
below.

Was there some reason for that Tovarich? Da?


**** your used sailboat ads, Wieber. This is a metalworking newsgroup, ****bag.

Go find the appropriate group for discussing selling of used sailboats that no one wants.