On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 00:31:24 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:07:28 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:07:46 +0000 (UTC), Thomas Paine
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Mighty Wannabe wrote in news:zwi_v.39109
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 10/11/2014 2:28 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
Socialism and communism won't allow Libertarianism and Capitalism while
Libertarianism and capitalism will allow communists and Socialists to
engage in the system.


So NO they are NOT at all alike.


Mormons allow for Muslims, but not the reverse.



Christians had been burning and crucifying infidels (non-believers) and
heretics (deviation from the orthodox Christian doctrine) for two
thousand years. Your monotheistic God strives for submission and
exclusion. Submit or die. You would have murdered all non-Mormons if you
could.






Please tell us the last time THAT happened.

Perhaps when Jodie Arias decided her partner had strayed from the
true Mormon path?

It's alleged that throat cutting and beheading as part of the doctrine
of "blood atonement' for heresy has a long history in Mormonism, along
with posthumous baptism of serial killers and they seem to gave been
very old testament and little different to ISIS IMO.

Perhaps "Stormin Mormon" can enlighten us about "blood atonement",
Mormon beheadings and secret graves.

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_bloodatonement.html

"he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his
blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the
doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections...
His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to
have her husband buried... she being directed to tell those who should
inquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

‘We shed his blood, and now let us atone for it;’ and they would be
willing to have their heads chopped off, that their blood might run
upon the ground, and the smoke of it rise before the Lord as an
incense for their sins.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 179, February
18, 1855

Brigham Young And Blood Atonement

Wednesday, May 30, 2012, at 09:12 AM
Original Author(s): Jod3:360
Topic: BLOOD ATONEMENT -Link To MC Article- ?

“The time has been in Israel under the law of God, the celestial law,
or that which pertains to the celestial law, for it is one of the laws
of that kingdom where our Father dwells, that if a man was found
guilty of adultery, he must have his blood shed, and that is near at
hand.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 219

“I say, there are men and women that I would advise to go to the
Presidency immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend
to their care; and then let a place be selected, and let that
committee shed their blood.

We have amongst us that are full of all manner of abominations, those
who need to have their blood shed, for water will not do, their sins
are too deep a dye... I believe that there are a great many; and if
they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can
shed their blood...

Brethren and sisters, we want you to repent and forsake your sins.
And you who have committed sins that cannot be forgiven through
baptism, let your blood be shed, and let the smoke ascend, that the
incense thereof may come up before God as an atonement for your sins,
and that the sinners in Zion may be afraid.”

- Apostle Jebediah M. Grant, 2nd counselor to Brigham Young, Journal
of Discourses, v. 4, pp. 49-51

“I will tell you how much I love those characters. If they had any
respect to their own welfare, they would come forth and say, whether
Joseph Smith was a Prophet or not, ‘We shed his blood, and now let us
atone for it;’ and they would be willing to have their heads chopped
off, that their blood might run upon the ground, and the smoke of it
rise before the Lord as an incense for their sins.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 179, February
18, 1855

“Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a
javelin through both of them. You would be justified, and they would
atone for their sins, and be received into the Kingdom of God. I would
at once do so, in such a case; and under the circumstances, I have no
wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her
heart, and I would do it with clean hands....

There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with
their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of
Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it.”

may be the same case spoken of by John D. Lee, who was sealed to
Brigham Young and was a member of Young's secret Council of Fifty:

"The most deadly sin among the people was adultery, and many men were
killed in Utah for the crime.

"Rasmos Anderson was a Danish man who came to Utah... He had married a
widow lady somewhat older than himself... At one of the meetings
during the reformation Anderson and his step-daughter confessed that
they had committed adultery... they were rebaptized and received into
full membership. They were then placed under covenant that if they
again committed adultery, Anderson should suffer death.

Soon after this a charge was laid against Anderson before the
Council, accusing him of adultery with his step-daughter. This Council
was composed of Klingensmith and his two counselors; it was the
Bishop's Council. Without giving Anderson any chance to defend himself
or make a statement, the Council voted that Anderson must die for
violating his covenants.

Klingensmith went to Anderson and notified him that the orders were
that he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his
blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the
doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections...
His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to
have her husband buried... she being directed to tell those who should
inquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

"Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a
grave in the field near Cedar City, and that night, about 12 o'clock,
went to Anderson's house and ordered him to make ready to obey
Council. Anderson got up... and without a word of remonstrance
accompanied those that he believed were carrying out the will of the
"Almighty God."

They went to the place where the grave was prepared; Anderson knelt
upon the side of the grave and prayed. Klingensmith and his company
then cut Anderson's throat from ear to ear and held him so that his
blood ran into the grave
This wa also common in Old Testament Jewish law. Blood was the only
thing that would atone for sins. See Hebrews 9:22

Christianity changed all of that. See First John 1:7

I'm not saying you have to believe it - but that is the difference
between religions and Christianity.
For as long as man can remeber - and beyond - in most "belief
systems" blood was required as payment for "sins" - however they were
interpreted.
In Christianity the requirement for the spilling of blood was not
removed - but the spilling of ONE MAN"S blood was considered
adequate to cover the sins of ALL WHO BELIEVE.

That's good enough for me!!!!


Sure, but don't forget to tithe the church for Jesus spilling his blood.

Your priest doesn't wander the desert and live on merely air and water.


We have no priests, and the tithe doesn't pay for his blood.

Ephesians 2: 8 and 9 -For by grace are ye saved through faith; and
that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast -
or as it is put in Clarke's Commentary on Ephesians 2:8

For by grace are ye saved, through faith - As ye are now brought into
a state of salvation, your sins being all blotted out, and you made
partakers of the Holy Spirit; and, having a hope full of immortality,
you must not attribute this to any works or merit of yours; for when
this Gospel reached you, you were all found dead in trespasses and
dead in sins; therefore it was God's free mercy to you, manifested
through Christ, in whom ye were commanded to believe; and, having
believed by the power of the Holy Spirit, ye received, and were sealed
by, the Holy Spirit of promise; so that this salvation is in no sense
of yourselves, but is the free gift of God; and not of any kind of
works; so that no man can boast as having wrought out his own
salvation, or even contributed any thing towards it. By grace arc ye
saved, through faith in Christ. This is a true doctrine, and continues
to be essential to the salvation of man to the end of the world.