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when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING.
The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote:
when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. |
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rangerssuck wrote:
when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. I do a double takes when getting plumbing parts from HD. The "quality" of some of the basic iron fittings is apalling. If the Chinese and Indians actually reject these things, I'm sure HD buys them all up. |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote:
Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan |
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On 06/16/2014 01:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Go to a Home Depot and ask for hardware cloth, or a knock out bushing, or a basic wrench. Just for the hell of it ask ten people who work there. You might find 2 or 3 who know what one or two each of those things are, but find one who knows what all three are and where to find them in the store, and they are probably an older grey haired person who used to work at Harry's Hardware. But each and every one of those ten people are going to come up and get in your face insisting on "helping" you when you are minding your business doing shopping. Being available to customers who need to ask a question is one thing, but being a general nuisance is another. I do realize that many of their customers need a hand holding, but for the rest of us it can be downright annoying. Jon |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:33:27 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
Then Home Depot opened up and they had a pretty good selection. I could get 95% of everything I needed at Home Depot, and the price was better on most of it. Slowly other businesses started specializing even more and cutting back selection in favor of only those things they could compete on or went out of business completely. Over the last few years I have noticed Home Depot has reduced their selection and started stocking cheaper lower quality alternatives to many things they do stock. In the Seattle area there was a hardware chain called Eagle. Their motto was more of everything. And they did carry a lot of different items. They carried 20 plus hammers ( not counting sledge hammers ). Then Lowes bought them. Their motto is now "less of everything." |
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"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... On 06/16/2014 01:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: Go to a Home Depot and ask for hardware cloth, or a knock out bushing, or a basic wrench. Just for the hell of it ask ten people who work there. You might find 2 or 3 who know what one or two each of those things are, but find one who knows what all three are and where to find them in the store, and they are probably an older grey haired person who used to work at Harry's Hardware. But each and every one of those ten people are going to come up and get in your face insisting on "helping" you when you are minding your business doing shopping. Being available to customers who need to ask a question is one thing, but being a general nuisance is another. I do realize that many of their customers need a hand holding, but for the rest of us it can be downright annoying. Jon They always seem to help me find a higher priced alternative that will not work in my application. Best Regards Tom. -- http://fija.org/ |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
wrote in message ... On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:33:27 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote: Then Home Depot opened up and they had a pretty good selection. I could get 95% of everything I needed at Home Depot, and the price was better on most of it. Slowly other businesses started specializing even more and cutting back selection in favor of only those things they could compete on or went out of business completely. Over the last few years I have noticed Home Depot has reduced their selection and started stocking cheaper lower quality alternatives to many things they do stock. In the Seattle area there was a hardware chain called Eagle. Their motto was more of everything. And they did carry a lot of different items. They carried 20 plus hammers ( not counting sledge hammers ). Then Lowes bought them. Their motto is now "less of everything." We have only one real hardware store in las vegas: http://www.mcfaddendalehardware.com/ Same counter people for the 15 years of my patrionage. They even carry acme threaded rod stock. Cash and carry, open to the public. The will sell 1 of anything you need. Prices comprable to enco and msc. Best Regards Tom. -- http://fija.org/ |
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan I can get fittings cheaper at SOME plumbing supply stores than HD or Lowes. Fergeson Supply (big chain store for plumbing bits) is one. On the other hand..I pay attention to the actual items and have seen the same makers marks on the same fittings in both places.. and nearly all of the common stuff is made in India or China no matter where it comes from. I occasionally buy a truckload of black pipe and fittings to redo air lines etc in machine shops "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:22:33 -0700, Jon Danniken
wrote: On 06/16/2014 01:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: Go to a Home Depot and ask for hardware cloth, or a knock out bushing, or a basic wrench. Just for the hell of it ask ten people who work there. You might find 2 or 3 who know what one or two each of those things are, but find one who knows what all three are and where to find them in the store, and they are probably an older grey haired person who used to work at Harry's Hardware. But each and every one of those ten people are going to come up and get in your face insisting on "helping" you when you are minding your business doing shopping. Being available to customers who need to ask a question is one thing, but being a general nuisance is another. I do realize that many of their customers need a hand holding, but for the rest of us it can be downright annoying. Jon I have to HUNT for an employee at most HDs and many Lowes. "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:15:27 -0700, "azotic"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:33:27 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote: Then Home Depot opened up and they had a pretty good selection. I could get 95% of everything I needed at Home Depot, and the price was better on most of it. Slowly other businesses started specializing even more and cutting back selection in favor of only those things they could compete on or went out of business completely. Over the last few years I have noticed Home Depot has reduced their selection and started stocking cheaper lower quality alternatives to many things they do stock. In the Seattle area there was a hardware chain called Eagle. Their motto was more of everything. And they did carry a lot of different items. They carried 20 plus hammers ( not counting sledge hammers ). Then Lowes bought them. Their motto is now "less of everything." We have only one real hardware store in las vegas: http://www.mcfaddendalehardware.com/ Same counter people for the 15 years of my patrionage. They even carry acme threaded rod stock. Cash and carry, open to the public. The will sell 1 of anything you need. Prices comprable to enco and msc. Best Regards Tom. McFadden-Dale is in multiple places in So. Cal as well. Not as cheap on many items as the big box stores..but they have virtually anything one needs . In the 20 yrs Ive been going in there..they didnt have (1) item I needed..and only because it was backordered Gunner "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:45:17 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. What the **** is wrong with you Jon? I don't need any professional help buying a few PVC fittings. I need the goddamn union to come complete with o-ring. FWIW, I do buy from a plumbing supplier (who is NOT open weekends), and I have twice had to return defective parts. |
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rangerssuck fired this volley in news:1fd5451a-
: What the **** is wrong with you Jon? Oh, we ALL wonder _that_. L |
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:30:44 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:45:17 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service.. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. What the **** is wrong with you Jon? I don't need any professional help buying a few PVC fittings. I need the goddamn union to come complete with o-ring. FWIW, I do buy from a plumbing supplier (who is NOT open weekends), and I have twice had to return defective parts. Suggest you stop looking for sympathy with you whining, bull****, posts about lousy Home Depot plumbing supplies. If you're stupid enough to try and buy quality plumbing supplies at Home Depot you deserve what you get. You're a moron with no clues. Now **** down and STFU. |
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:12:10 AM UTC-7, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
rangerssuck fired this volley in news:1fd5451a- : What the **** is wrong with you Jon? Oh, we ALL wonder _that_. L Wrong again, Loud. You can only speak for yourself and often when you do speak for yourself you show that you stopped learning years ago. |
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:12:10 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: rangerssuck fired this volley in news:1fd5451a- : What the **** is wrong with you Jon? Oh, we ALL wonder _that_. About Suck? Yeah. -- There is nothing more frightening than ignorance in action. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan Superior advice? I wish! I have a new washing machine coming from HD. They do not come with hoses. First "associate" advised me to buy a set of hoses for $23. I went to look at them when a second "associate" told me not to buy them as the company will not install them. He advised different hoses and to buy them singly, $16 per hose. Could not explain why the price difference (snotty "I only work here" response). Apparently the second hose is made in Canada (web site says Taiwan but never mind) I had a careful look at the hoses - no O-rings! This set bells off so I went to another shop where they sold a different set of hoses, specifically designed ("required") for HE machines - price a bit less than $30 for a set. This HE business was not even discussed in HD. At least these have O-rings. Now I am really twitchy and go to the local specialist plumber store - they will know! There I was shown a single hose which they apparently sell to everybody. Any enquiries re-previously mentioned subjects were met with blank stare. Cost per hose - $16 (with O-rings :-) Right now I am consulting an Ouija board... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC |
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:06:19 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan Superior advice? I wish! I have a new washing machine coming from HD. They do not come with hoses. First "associate" advised me to buy a set of hoses for $23. I went to look at them when a second "associate" told me not to buy them as the company will not install them. He advised different hoses and to buy them singly, $16 per hose. Could not explain why the price difference (snotty "I only work here" response). Apparently the second hose is made in Canada (web site says Taiwan but never mind) I had a careful look at the hoses - no O-rings! This set bells off so I went to another shop where they sold a different set of hoses, specifically designed ("required") for HE machines - price a bit less than $30 for a set. This HE business was not even discussed in HD. At least these have O-rings. Now I am really twitchy and go to the local specialist plumber store - they will know! There I was shown a single hose which they apparently sell to everybody. Any enquiries re-previously mentioned subjects were met with blank stare. Cost per hose - $16 (with O-rings :-) Right now I am consulting an Ouija board... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC Why not try an appliance parts repair place? |
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:05:33 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:30:44 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:45:17 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. What the **** is wrong with you Jon? I don't need any professional help buying a few PVC fittings. I need the goddamn union to come complete with o-ring. FWIW, I do buy from a plumbing supplier (who is NOT open weekends), and I have twice had to return defective parts. Suggest you stop looking for sympathy with you whining, bull****, posts about lousy Home Depot plumbing supplies. If you're stupid enough to try and buy quality plumbing supplies at Home Depot you deserve what you get. You're a moron with no clues. Now **** down and STFU. The last thing I'm going to waste time on is a ****ing contest with you. Had I been able to go to a plumbing supply store, I would have. I don't think it would have been a very productive trip, however, as the store would have been closed for a day and a half. Instead, I picked up the rest of the materials for the job at HD, got it 99% done. Monday AM, I got the missing O ring and installed it. Took all of maybe a minute and a half to do, instead of waiting for next weekend. As noted by another poster in this thread, many of the plumbing materials carried by HD and Lowes are THE SAME as those carried by the "to-the-trade-only" suppliers. I have gotten good stuff from both, and bad stuff from both (there seemed, about ten years ago, to be a rash of pinholes in brass castings) I have returned several defective parts to the plumbing supply store. I know that the fixture manufacturers - American Standard, Kohler, etc. - are at least rumored to sell lower quality items through the big box stores, but I have never heard anything like that (or noticed it myself) regarding actual plumbing hardware. Furthermore, you can bet your ass that next time I buy a plumbing union for ANY supplier, I will take it apart on the spot to make sure that all the parts are there. At that, Jon, was the point of this entire thread. A cautionary tale that could maybe save someone a crapload of time and inconvenience. And, Jon, I managed to pull of this entire job without any 3-D CAD/CAM or solid modeling, and without a single consultation with LinkedIn. |
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:06:19 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan Superior advice? I wish! I have a new washing machine coming from HD. They do not come with hoses. First "associate" advised me to buy a set of hoses for $23. I went to look at them when a second "associate" told me not to buy them as the company will not install them. He advised different hoses and to buy them singly, $16 per hose. Could not explain why the price difference (snotty "I only work here" response). Apparently the second hose is made in Canada (web site says Taiwan but never mind) I had a careful look at the hoses - no O-rings! This set bells off so I went to another shop where they sold a different set of hoses, specifically designed ("required") for HE machines - price a bit less than $30 for a set. This HE business was not even discussed in HD. At least these have O-rings. Now I am really twitchy and go to the local specialist plumber store - they will know! There I was shown a single hose which they apparently sell to everybody. Any enquiries re-previously mentioned subjects were met with blank stare. Cost per hose - $16 (with O-rings :-) Right now I am consulting an Ouija board... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC While you're at it, I suggest you consider installing something like this: http://goo.gl/6e6SwY Even the best hoses don't last forever. This thing will shut off the water when the washer is not in use. And now a big box vs local guy story: At the end of a kitchen remodel, all that I needed to finish the plumbing was a dishwasher supply hose. I couldn't face yet another trip to Home Depot (a newer store that had an excellent knowledgeable and helpful guy in the plumbing dept), so I went to a local old-time hardware store. These guys had been there for close to a hundred years and had a big store and this was just a simple hose... so I went there armed with the shutoff valve I was connecting to and with the water inlet valve from the dishwasher, just so there'd be no confusion in terminology. First the two guys there told me they didn't have anything like that. Then I looked at the shelf that had such things, and they did have something pretty close, but a bit short. Then they said they maybe had something, but it wouldn't fit the elbow on the inlet valve. I told them I didn't really need the elbow, there's plenty of room in the area and I could attach whatever combination of fittings it would take to make whatever long-enough hose they had. I asked for a couple of wrenches to remove the elbow so we could piece something together to test. The SOB said, "We don't have any wrenches you can use." Mind you, this was a full-sized hardware store, not a plumbing supplier, and they had dozens of wrenches for sale of every shape and size. And then, believe it or not, the asshole offered to SELL me a wrench. By this time, I was so tired, I just didn't have the strength to grab the nearest hammer and pound him into bloody mush. Then, one of the guys goes into "the back room" and comes out, a minute or so later, with a blister-packed pegboard-ready card with exactly the hose I needed, and it was clearly labeled, "Dishwasher Inlet Hose." That was my last trip to that store. Within a year, they were out of business. It's too bad that they let an almost hundred year old shop go all to hell like that, but they most certainly did it to themselves. |
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On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:14:11 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote:
snipped a ton of bull**** and lame excuses from an anonymous posting pussy "The last thing I'm going to waste time on is a ****ing contest with you." You lied. "As noted by another poster in this thread, many of the plumbing materials carried by HD and Lowes are THE SAME as those carried by the "to-the-trade-only" suppliers." He's wrong and he's not shopping at a quality plumbing supply house. Neither of you two idiots have any idea what a quality plumbing supply house is and why it's worth paying a little more. |
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On 6/18/2014 9:14 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:05:33 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: You're a moron with no clues. Now **** down and STFU. The last thing I'm going to waste time on is a ****ing contest with you. Had I been able to go to a plumbing supply store, I would have. I don't think it would have been a very productive trip, however, as the store would have been closed for a day and a half. Instead, I picked up the rest of the materials for the job at HD, got it 99% done. Monday AM, I got the missing O ring and installed it. Took all of maybe a minute and a half to do, instead of waiting for next weekend. As noted by another poster in this thread, many of the plumbing materials carried by HD and Lowes are THE SAME as those carried by the "to-the-trade-only" suppliers. I have gotten good stuff from both, and bad stuff from both (there seemed, about ten years ago, to be a rash of pinholes in brass castings) I have returned several defective parts to the plumbing supply store. I know that the fixture manufacturers - American Standard, Kohler, etc. - are at least rumored to sell lower quality items through the big box stores, but I have never heard anything like that (or noticed it myself) regarding actual plumbing hardware. Furthermore, you can bet your ass that next time I buy a plumbing union for ANY supplier, I will take it apart on the spot to make sure that all the parts are there. At that, Jon, was the point of this entire thread. A cautionary tale that could maybe save someone a crapload of time and inconvenience. And, Jon, I managed to pull of this entire job without any 3-D CAD/CAM or solid modeling, and without a single consultation with LinkedIn. You have far more patience than me, I plonked Jon the Clueless long ago. The only time I run across him is in threads where he still is acknowledged. David |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 2:27:46 PM UTC-7, David R. Birch wrote:
On 6/18/2014 9:14 AM, rangerssuck wrote: On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:05:33 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: You're a moron with no clues. Now **** down and STFU. The last thing I'm going to waste time on is a ****ing contest with you.. Had I been able to go to a plumbing supply store, I would have. I don't think it would have been a very productive trip, however, as the store would have been closed for a day and a half. Instead, I picked up the rest of the materials for the job at HD, got it 99% done. Monday AM, I got the missing O ring and installed it. Took all of maybe a minute and a half to do, instead of waiting for next weekend. As noted by another poster in this thread, many of the plumbing materials carried by HD and Lowes are THE SAME as those carried by the "to-the-trade-only" suppliers. I have gotten good stuff from both, and bad stuff from both (there seemed, about ten years ago, to be a rash of pinholes in brass castings) I have returned several defective parts to the plumbing supply store. I know that the fixture manufacturers - American Standard, Kohler, etc.. - are at least rumored to sell lower quality items through the big box stores, but I have never heard anything like that (or noticed it myself) regarding actual plumbing hardware. Furthermore, you can bet your ass that next time I buy a plumbing union for ANY supplier, I will take it apart on the spot to make sure that all the parts are there. At that, Jon, was the point of this entire thread. A cautionary tale that could maybe save someone a crapload of time and inconvenience. And, Jon, I managed to pull of this entire job without any 3-D CAD/CAM or solid modeling, and without a single consultation with LinkedIn. You have far more patience than me, I plonked Jon the Clueless long ago. The only time I run across him is in threads where he still is acknowledged. David You plonked me because I and several others called you out the misinformation you posted in regards to SolidWorks. Should I find the thread to refresh your memory? :) |
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On 6/18/2014 10:14 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:05:33 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:30:44 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:45:17 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. What the **** is wrong with you Jon? I don't need any professional help buying a few PVC fittings. I need the goddamn union to come complete with o-ring. FWIW, I do buy from a plumbing supplier (who is NOT open weekends), and I have twice had to return defective parts. Suggest you stop looking for sympathy with you whining, bull****, posts about lousy Home Depot plumbing supplies. If you're stupid enough to try and buy quality plumbing supplies at Home Depot you deserve what you get. You're a moron with no clues. Now **** down and STFU. The last thing I'm going to waste time on is a ****ing contest with you. Had I been able to go to a plumbing supply store, I would have. I don't think it would have been a very productive trip, however, as the store would have been closed for a day and a half. Instead, I picked up the rest of the materials for the job at HD, got it 99% done. Monday AM, I got the missing O ring and installed it. Took all of maybe a minute and a half to do, instead of waiting for next weekend. As noted by another poster in this thread, many of the plumbing materials carried by HD and Lowes are THE SAME as those carried by the "to-the-trade-only" suppliers. I have gotten good stuff from both, and bad stuff from both (there seemed, about ten years ago, to be a rash of pinholes in brass castings) I have returned several defective parts to the plumbing supply store. I know that the fixture manufacturers - American Standard, Kohler, etc. - are at least rumored to sell lower quality items through the big box stores, but I have never heard anything like that (or noticed it myself) regarding actual plumbing hardware. Furthermore, you can bet your ass that next time I buy a plumbing union for ANY supplier, I will take it apart on the spot to make sure that all the parts are there. At that, Jon, was the point of this entire thread. A cautionary tale that could maybe save someone a crapload of time and inconvenience. And, Jon, I managed to pull of this entire job without any 3-D CAD/CAM or solid modeling, and without a single consultation with LinkedIn. Why feed the troll? |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On 6/17/2014 8:12 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
rangerssuck fired this volley in news:1fd5451a- : What the **** is wrong with you Jon? Oh, we ALL wonder _that_. L No wondering, we KNOW! That's why we don't feed him. |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Friday, June 20, 2014 6:57:46 AM UTC-7, Tom Gardner wrote:
Why feed the troll? Why feed a fat, drunken, liar who inherited his business from his parents and has run it into the ground: http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02534.JPG http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02519.JPG |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Friday, June 20, 2014 6:58:51 AM UTC-7, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 6/17/2014 8:12 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: rangerssuck fired this volley in news:1fd5451a- : What the **** is wrong with you Jon? Oh, we ALL wonder _that_. L No wondering, we KNOW! That's why we don't feed him. Looks to me like all Tom Gardner does is feed himself: http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02534.JPG |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote: snip While you're at it, I suggest you consider installing something like this: http://goo.gl/6e6SwY Even the best hoses don't last forever. This thing will shut off the water when the washer is not in use. And now a big box vs local guy story: At the end of a kitchen remodel, all that I needed to finish the plumbing was a dishwasher supply hose. I couldn't face yet another trip to Home Depot (a newer store that had an excellent knowledgeable and helpful guy in the plumbing dept), so I went to a local old-time hardware store. These guys had been there for close to a hundred years and had a big store and this was just a simple hose... so I went there armed with the shutoff valve I was connecting to and with the water inlet valve from the dishwasher, just so there'd be no confusion in terminology. First the two guys there told me they didn't have anything like that. Then I looked at the shelf that had such things, and they did have something pretty close, but a bit short. Then they said they maybe had something, but it wouldn't fit the elbow on the inlet valve. I told them I didn't really need the elbow, there's plenty of room in the area and I could attach whatever combination of fittings it would take to make whatever long-enough hose they had. I asked for a couple of wrenches to remove the elbow so we could piece something together to test. The SOB said, "We don't have any wrenches you can use." Mind you, this was a full-sized hardware store, not a plumbing supplier, and they had dozens of wrenches for sale of every shape and size. And then, believe it or not, the asshole offered to SELL me a wrench. By this time, I was so tired, I just didn't have the strength to grab the nearest hammer and pound him into bloody mush. Then, one of the guys goes into "the back room" and comes out, a minute or so later, with a blister-packed pegboard-ready card with exactly the hose I needed, and it was clearly labeled, "Dishwasher Inlet Hose." That was my last trip to that store. Within a year, they were out of business. It's too bad that they let an almost hundred year old shop go all to hell like that, but they most certainly did it to themselves. Thanks, I will look into that gizmo. Your story - sadly not that uncommon... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Monday, June 16, 2014 4:33:27 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
wrote in message ... On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Used to be if I planned it out I could drive all over town and get everything I needed for a project. Not necessarily a plumbing project. Then Home Depot opened up and they had a pretty good selection. I could get 95% of everything I needed at Home Depot, and the price was better on most of it. Slowly other businesses started specializing even more and cutting back selection in favor of only those things they could compete on or went out of business completely. Over the last few years I have noticed Home Depot has reduced their selection and started stocking cheaper lower quality alternatives to many things they do stock. Service has always been hit or miss at Home Depot. The old guys they hired from the old businesses and hardware stores that closed their doors were pretty good, but the failed contractors they hired for their various departments failed as contractors for a reason. Go to a Home Depot and ask for hardware cloth, or a knock out bushing, or a basic wrench. Just for the hell of it ask ten people who work there. You might find 2 or 3 who know what one or two each of those things are, but find one who knows what all three are and where to find them in the store, and they are probably an older grey haired person who used to work at Harry's Hardware. That's what happens with the large non-unionized corporate structure. Secrecy is to rampant throughout the workforce and the customer is left wondering why the result is so screwed-up. The workers have to all be on the same page. Then the surroundings follow. Having these big box stores come to a community results in shutting down stores that were already there. Then the younger generations wonders why even stay. Nothings there any more except a Walmart and an Home Depot (or a Lowes). Then, those two go out of business because too few people are left in the town. |
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On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:45:17 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27:21 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, rangerssuck wrote: when you buy plumbing parts at HD, make sure to LOOK at them. I just finished a plumbing job today that would have been done yesterday if someone at HD hadn't screwed with the parts. I had a 1 1/2" PVC union that was MISSING THE O RING. The guy in the plumbing dept this morning told me to buy a new one, take out the O ring and then return the union. All well and good, but then it will just end up back on the shelf and the same thing will happen to someone else. Sucks pretty much. It doesn't end up back on the shelf if you tell the person at returns that it's missing an O ring and make them tag it as defective merchandise not to be resold. Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. If you want professional help and quality parts then it's on you to rearrange you schedule. If you can't rearrange your schedule and recognize that people deserve their time off then you might as well get use to the **** quality/help that one most often gets at Home Depot. The overall concept of the big box store is rotten. That's what happens with the large non-unionized corporate structure. Secrecy and too much else is left to chance and is too rampant throughout and the customer is left wondering why the result is so screwed-up. The workers have to all be on the same page. Then the surroundings follow. Having these big box stores come to a community results in shutting down stores that were already there. Then the younger generations there wonder: "Why even stay? Everythings closed down, but the Walmart and Home Depot". Nothing is here any more except a Walmart and an Home Depot (or a Lowes). Then, those two go out of business because too few people are even left in the town. |
when you buy plumbing parts at HD
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:34:08 AM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote:
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:06:19 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:27:21 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote: Suggest in the future that you buy plumbing supplies from a real plumbing supply store even if they are slightly more expensive as you will be supporting a local business who probably gives superior advice and service. Show me a plumbing supplier who's open on Sunday (or even Saturday afternoon), and I'll be glad to go there. A while back I made it a point to buy some pluming bit from a real plumbing supply store. I was surprised to find it was over twice as expensive as the same part at Lowes. Since I knew exactly what I wanted, I did not need the superior advice. Since then I found out that Home Depot and Lowes gives me a 10% discount since I am a veteran. Dan Superior advice? I wish! I have a new washing machine coming from HD. They do not come with hoses. First "associate" advised me to buy a set of hoses for $23. I went to look at them when a second "associate" told me not to buy them as the company will not install them. He advised different hoses and to buy them singly, $16 per hose. Could not explain why the price difference (snotty "I only work here" response). Apparently the second hose is made in Canada (web site says Taiwan but never mind) I had a careful look at the hoses - no O-rings! This set bells off so I went to another shop where they sold a different set of hoses, specifically designed ("required") for HE machines - price a bit less than $30 for a set. This HE business was not even discussed in HD. At least these have O-rings. Now I am really twitchy and go to the local specialist plumber store - they will know! There I was shown a single hose which they apparently sell to everybody. Any enquiries re-previously mentioned subjects were met with blank stare. Cost per hose - $16 (with O-rings :-) Right now I am consulting an Ouija board... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC While you're at it, I suggest you consider installing something like this: http://goo.gl/6e6SwY Even the best hoses don't last forever. This thing will shut off the water when the washer is not in use. And now a big box vs local guy story: At the end of a kitchen remodel, all that I needed to finish the plumbing was a dishwasher supply hose. I couldn't face yet another trip to Home Depot (a newer store that had an excellent knowledgeable and helpful guy in the plumbing dept), so I went to a local old-time hardware store. These guys had been there for close to a hundred years and had a big store and this was just a simple hose... so I went there armed with the shutoff valve I was connecting to and with the water inlet valve from the dishwasher, just so there'd be no confusion in terminology. First the two guys there told me they didn't have anything like that. Then I looked at the shelf that had such things, and they did have something pretty close, but a bit short. Then they said they maybe had something, but it wouldn't fit the elbow on the inlet valve. I told them I didn't really need the elbow, there's plenty of room in the area and I could attach whatever combination of fittings it would take to make whatever long-enough hose they had. I asked for a couple of wrenches to remove the elbow so we could piece something together to test. The SOB said, "We don't have any wrenches you can use." Mind you, this was a full-sized hardware store, not a plumbing supplier, and they had dozens of wrenches for sale of every shape and size. And then, believe it or not, the asshole offered to SELL me a wrench. By this time, I was so tired, I just didn't have the strength to grab the nearest hammer and pound him into bloody mush. Then, one of the guys goes into "the back room" and comes out, a minute or so later, with a blister-packed pegboard-ready card with exactly the hose I needed, and it was clearly labeled, "Dishwasher Inlet Hose." That was my last trip to that store. Within a year, they were out of business. It's too bad that they let an almost hundred year old shop go all to hell like that, but they most certainly did it to themselves. Its tough to see one-size-fits-all stores (like 99 cent stores with newer cheaper imports) come along and run the experienced workers in specialty hardware outfits right out of town. All over cheaper costs. I wonder if or when HD and Lowe's will come up with a fancy 99 cents aisle. |
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On Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:12:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
The overall concept of the big box store is rotten. That's what happens with the large non-unionized corporate structure. Secrecy and too much else is left to chance and is too rampant throughout and the customer is left wondering why the result is so screwed-up. The workers have to all be on the same page. Then the surroundings follow. Having these big box stores come to a community results in shutting down stores that were already there. Then the younger generations there wonder: "Why even stay? Everythings closed down, but the Walmart and Home Depot". Nothing is here any more except a Walmart and an Home Depot (or a Lowes). Then, those two go out of business because too few people are even left in the town. Examples of plumbing supplies stores that complete with big box stores like Home Depot and Lowes and win: http://www.benderplumbing.com/ http://www.whitesplumbing.com/about.html |
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In article ,
wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: snip While you're at it, I suggest you consider installing something like this: http://goo.gl/6e6SwY Even the best hoses don't last forever. This thing will shut off the water when the washer is not in use. And now a big box vs local guy story: At the end of a kitchen remodel, all that I needed to finish the plumbing was a dishwasher supply hose. I couldn't face yet another trip to Home Depot (a newer store that had an excellent knowledgeable and helpful guy in the plumbing dept), so I went to a local old-time hardware store. These guys had been there for close to a hundred years and had a big store and this was just a simple hose... so I went there armed with the shutoff valve I was connecting to and with the water inlet valve from the dishwasher, just so there'd be no confusion in terminology. First the two guys there told me they didn't have anything like that. Then I looked at the shelf that had such things, and they did have something pretty close, but a bit short. Then they said they maybe had something, but it wouldn't fit the elbow on the inlet valve. I told them I didn't really need the elbow, there's plenty of room in the area and I could attach whatever combination of fittings it would take to make whatever long-enough hose they had. I asked for a couple of wrenches to remove the elbow so we could piece something together to test. The SOB said, "We don't have any wrenches you can use." Mind you, this was a full-sized hardware store, not a plumbing supplier, and they had dozens of wrenches for sale of every shape and size. And then, believe it or not, the asshole offered to SELL me a wrench. By this time, I was so tired, I just didn't have the strength to grab the nearest hammer and pound him into bloody mush. Then, one of the guys goes into "the back room" and comes out, a minute or so later, with a blister-packed pegboard-ready card with exactly the hose I needed, and it was clearly labeled, "Dishwasher Inlet Hose." That was my last trip to that store. Within a year, they were out of business. It's too bad that they let an almost hundred year old shop go all to hell like that, but they most certainly did it to themselves. Thanks, I will look into that gizmo. Your story - sadly not that uncommon... This really does not make sense. Old-time hardware men are neither stupid nor obtuse. My instinct is that the help at that hardware store hated the owner, and were all trying to destroy the store. And succeeded. I've seen this happen to restaurants - when the owner was away, the kitchen produced garbage and the waiters all took a break. It doesn't take long - restaurants are fragile things. Back in the 1970s, I knew a waitress who had worked at such a restaurant, and she was a willing participant in the scheme, which succeeded. I never met the owner, but he had to be a piece of work, even by restaurant-trade standards, to have earned such enmity. Joe Gwinn |
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On Saturday, June 21, 2014 1:07:18 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
In article , wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: snip While you're at it, I suggest you consider installing something like this: http://goo.gl/6e6SwY Even the best hoses don't last forever. This thing will shut off the water when the washer is not in use. And now a big box vs local guy story: At the end of a kitchen remodel, all that I needed to finish the plumbing was a dishwasher supply hose. I couldn't face yet another trip to Home Depot (a newer store that had an excellent knowledgeable and helpful guy in the plumbing dept), so I went to a local old-time hardware store. These guys had been there for close to a hundred years and had a big store and this was just a simple hose... so I went there armed with the shutoff valve I was connecting to and with the water inlet valve from the dishwasher, just so there'd be no confusion in terminology. First the two guys there told me they didn't have anything like that. Then I looked at the shelf that had such things, and they did have something pretty close, but a bit short. Then they said they maybe had something, but it wouldn't fit the elbow on the inlet valve. I told them I didn't really need the elbow, there's plenty of room in the area and I could attach whatever combination of fittings it would take to make whatever long-enough hose they had. I asked for a couple of wrenches to remove the elbow so we could piece something together to test. The SOB said, "We don't have any wrenches you can use." Mind you, this was a full-sized hardware store, not a plumbing supplier, and they had dozens of wrenches for sale of every shape and size. And then, believe it or not, the asshole offered to SELL me a wrench. By this time, I was so tired, I just didn't have the strength to grab the nearest hammer and pound him into bloody mush. Then, one of the guys goes into "the back room" and comes out, a minute or so later, with a blister-packed pegboard-ready card with exactly the hose I needed, and it was clearly labeled, "Dishwasher Inlet Hose." That was my last trip to that store. Within a year, they were out of business. It's too bad that they let an almost hundred year old shop go all to hell like that, but they most certainly did it to themselves. Thanks, I will look into that gizmo. Your story - sadly not that uncommon... This really does not make sense. Old-time hardware men are neither stupid nor obtuse. My instinct is that the help at that hardware store hated the owner, and were all trying to destroy the store. And succeeded. I've seen this happen to restaurants - when the owner was away, the kitchen produced garbage and the waiters all took a break. It doesn't take long - restaurants are fragile things. Back in the 1970s, I knew a waitress who had worked at such a restaurant, and she was a willing participant in the scheme, which succeeded. I never met the owner, but he had to be a piece of work, even by restaurant-trade standards, to have earned such enmity. Joe Gwinn No, it didn't make sense to me, either. I asked around, and believe it or not, these to imbeciles WERE the "new" owners. They bought it from the old guy without really knowing what they were doing. It was pretty sad. There is another old-time hardware store a little further away, but they don't seem to understand that sometimes we need to buy stuff outside of their 9-6 hours. |
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On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:36:57 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:12:29 AM UTC-7, wrote: The overall concept of the big box store is rotten. That's what happens with the large non-unionized corporate structure. Secrecy and too much else is left to chance and is too rampant throughout and the customer is left wondering why the result is so screwed-up. The workers have to all be on the same page. Then the surroundings follow. Having these big box stores come to a community results in shutting down stores that were already there. Then the younger generations there wonder: "Why even stay? Everythings closed down, but the Walmart and Home Depot". Nothing is here any more except a Walmart and an Home Depot (or a Lowes). Then, those two go out of business because too few people are even left in the town. Examples of plumbing supplies stores that complete with big box stores like Home Depot and Lowes and win: http://www.benderplumbing.com/ http://www.whitesplumbing.com/about.html Yes, industry corporate giants don't ALWAYS do ALL of the winning. Still, some wieldy industry giants are overall favored by those they affect, but you are right. There are always the few specialty stores that succeed. However, most big box stores do remain where they are and they leave too few other reasonable options. Like big banks, they don't micromanage enough and their teams too often aren't on the same page. Especially with the rampant lack of collective bargaining outfits. The more of these places that break up into smaller operations, the better. |
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