On Apr 28, 1:13*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:

My argument IS valid. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of
fact. Except for one or two you keep for home or self defense, your
guns ARE toys. You play games with them, games with names like
"skeet," "action pistol," and "rabbit hunting." You admire them, and
imagine using them with pleasure. They aren't "tools." Tools are used
for creating and making things, maintaining them, and repairing them.
You cleaning rods are tools. Your guns are the toys you maintain with
your tools..

Your argument is valid, but it is not all inclusive and rather weak.
It only applies to some gun owners. And all of your statements about
playing and games are merely assertions. They are not facts. Even if
guns are used for things as skeet, that does not make them toys any
more than golf clubs are toys. Cars are used for racing, but that
does not mean all cars are toys.

You left out guns for hunting. And while you say the .22 centerfire
cartridges are too small for deer, that really depends on what you
compare them to. I would argue that they are better for deer hunting
than muzzle loaders, cross bows , and bow and arrows. And better
than a shotgun with no rifling and no decent sights for deer. There
is not a lot of difference between them and the .243 Winchester.

Tools are used for much more than creating and making things. I spent
a while this morning feeding limbs into a shredder. Tools are also
used to destroy things. Or would you argue that a wrecking ball is
not a tool.



And, unlike baseball bats, your toys *themselves* are the objects of
your attention and enjoyment. I enjoy mine, too. Most people don't
display their baseball bats in fancy cabinets or hang them on the wall
like trophies.


Most people I know do not display their guns. I certainly do not.
More typical is my late brother in law. i only got to see one of his
guns. And he had guns that were valuable.

To deny that is to be living a delusion. But gun nutz are inherently
delusional anyway, so that should be no surprise.

So by your statement, I am delusional. Well it is no surprise that
you would say that.

For people who actually defend themselves with a gun, it will NEVER be a
"toys vs human lives" question for the simple fact that the alleged "toy"
saved THEIR "human lives".

How many guns can you shoot at once? How many guns do you own?

"Let's see...this guy breaking into my house weighs about 160 pounds
and seems to be kinda slow. Which gun? The old Model 70 in .257
Roberts? The .44 Magnum Blackhawk? Or shall we be sporting about it,
and use the .32 ACP?

"Decisions, decisions...."

All bad choices in my opinion. A unplugged pump shotgun would be my
choice over any of those.

Dan
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Ed Huntress