"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...


YET, you see these huge "equivalent" mpg numbers for electrics, typically
around 100 mpg, implying a $ per mile cost of less than 1/3 the cost of a
30 mpg vehicle..
But my calcs show that an electric will be *at least* as expensive as gas,
and likely considerably more than gas, as a fuel.... What gives??


Idears?? Opinions?
--
EA

Is that 100mpg "equivalent" with lights on, heater running, wipers on
in a typical new york winter? How about AC in the summer? I bet that
100mpg is bull****, maybe half in the real world. At least you dont have
to pay extra for heat with a gasoline engine in the winter.

Best Regards
Tom.
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azotic wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...


YET, you see these huge "equivalent" mpg numbers for electrics, typically
around 100 mpg, implying a $ per mile cost of less than 1/3 the cost of a
30 mpg vehicle..
But my calcs show that an electric will be *at least* as expensive as
gas,
and likely considerably more than gas, as a fuel.... What gives??


Idears?? Opinions?
--
EA

Is that 100mpg "equivalent" with lights on, heater running, wipers on
in a typical new york winter? How about AC in the summer? I bet that
100mpg is bull****, maybe half in the real world. At least you dont have
to pay extra for heat with a gasoline engine in the winter.
Yup, very good points! The Volt is only good if you never take long
trips, otherwise it gets quite crummy mileage when on the gas engine.

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid, and can get about 52 MPG in daily driving
around town in moderate weather. it does worse in cold or hot weather,
but if only I drive it, i can still do 47 or better any time of the year.
My leadfoot wife does 42 or worse.

My daughter has a slightly older one, and can pretty easily do over
60 in hers. Don't have any idea what the difference is, but some of
them do much better than other units.

I'm less bullish on the Honda now, as they have been having battery
problems. I just got my ailing battery replaced under warranty,
though.

My other daughter has a Prius, and she pretty consistently does over
50 MPG in hers.

So, roughly 50 MPG in either of these will significantly cut your fuel
bill vs. a 30 MPG car. You can get them used cheap, as people are
"scared" of these hybrids.

Jon

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:53:21 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote:

azotic wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...


YET, you see these huge "equivalent" mpg numbers for electrics, typically
around 100 mpg, implying a $ per mile cost of less than 1/3 the cost of a
30 mpg vehicle..
But my calcs show that an electric will be *at least* as expensive as
gas,
and likely considerably more than gas, as a fuel.... What gives??


Idears?? Opinions?
--
EA

Is that 100mpg "equivalent" with lights on, heater running, wipers on
in a typical new york winter? How about AC in the summer? I bet that
100mpg is bull****, maybe half in the real world. At least you dont have
to pay extra for heat with a gasoline engine in the winter.
Yup, very good points! The Volt is only good if you never take long
trips, otherwise it gets quite crummy mileage when on the gas engine.

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid, and can get about 52 MPG in daily driving
around town in moderate weather. it does worse in cold or hot weather,
but if only I drive it, i can still do 47 or better any time of the year.
My leadfoot wife does 42 or worse.

My daughter has a slightly older one, and can pretty easily do over
60 in hers. Don't have any idea what the difference is, but some of
them do much better than other units.

I'm less bullish on the Honda now, as they have been having battery
problems. I just got my ailing battery replaced under warranty,
though.

My other daughter has a Prius, and she pretty consistently does over
50 MPG in hers.

So, roughly 50 MPG in either of these will significantly cut your fuel
bill vs. a 30 MPG car. You can get them used cheap, as people are
"scared" of these hybrids.

I'd be willing to bet that most city people could easily adapt to
driving a pure electric car. After all, they invariably have at least
two vehicles. Once could be a long range hybrid, like a Camry. Best
of all worlds.

I only wish they'd made a Tundra hybrid when I bought mine. A 3.0L
would have pushed it just fine for most of the time. And I'd love to
have been getting 35mpg instead of 13 for the past 5 years.

--
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because
we make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable,
when we fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:53:21 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote:

azotic wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...


YET, you see these huge "equivalent" mpg numbers for electrics, typically
around 100 mpg, implying a $ per mile cost of less than 1/3 the cost of a
30 mpg vehicle..
But my calcs show that an electric will be *at least* as expensive as
gas,
and likely considerably more than gas, as a fuel.... What gives??


Idears?? Opinions?
--
EA

Is that 100mpg "equivalent" with lights on, heater running, wipers on
in a typical new york winter? How about AC in the summer? I bet that
100mpg is bull****, maybe half in the real world. At least you dont have
to pay extra for heat with a gasoline engine in the winter.
Yup, very good points! The Volt is only good if you never take long
trips, otherwise it gets quite crummy mileage when on the gas engine.

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid, and can get about 52 MPG in daily driving
around town in moderate weather. it does worse in cold or hot weather,
but if only I drive it, i can still do 47 or better any time of the year.
My leadfoot wife does 42 or worse.

My daughter has a slightly older one, and can pretty easily do over
60 in hers. Don't have any idea what the difference is, but some of
them do much better than other units.

I'm less bullish on the Honda now, as they have been having battery
problems. I just got my ailing battery replaced under warranty,
though.

My other daughter has a Prius, and she pretty consistently does over
50 MPG in hers.

So, roughly 50 MPG in either of these will significantly cut your fuel
bill vs. a 30 MPG car. You can get them used cheap, as people are
"scared" of these hybrids.

I'd be willing to bet that most city people could easily adapt to
driving a pure electric car. After all, they invariably have at least
two vehicles. Once could be a long range hybrid, like a Camry. Best
of all worlds.


Invariably? Most people I know only have one vehicle. Some walk or
ride bikes.