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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so...
I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. TIA -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
On 1/1/2013 6:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. That's the way it works, the tips get hot. I see them a lot at garage sales. When I found one for a dollar, I took the plunge. I want my dollar back. Yes, you can contrive a situation where it works quite well. But for average use, it sucks. Send it back if you can. Get a Weller PortASol. TIA -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:19:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. The one I depend on when out in the field http://www.alliedelec.com/search/pro...x?sku=70189381 Master Appliance Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:19:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. Thanks, guys. I'd hoped it would work. I'll haul up an extension cord and the trusty Weller pistol grip for the job after all. Gunner, my buddy Terry has a BluePoint iron like yours which works well, but this is in a semi-dark enclosed attic with puffy rockwool insulation all around, even if it isn't flammable. I have a butane iron from HFT and it works well, but I'm not taking that up into the attic with me, either. -- You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. --Ayn Rand |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:59:09 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:19:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. Thanks, guys. I'd hoped it would work. I'll haul up an extension cord and the trusty Weller pistol grip for the job after all. Gunner, my buddy Terry has a BluePoint iron like yours which works well, but this is in a semi-dark enclosed attic with puffy rockwool insulation all around, even if it isn't flammable. I have a butane iron from HFT and it works well, but I'm not taking that up into the attic with me, either. Why..you cant figure out how to make a safe "rest" for the iron? Hell..use a bread pan with an inch of kitty litter in the bottom. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:40:41 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:59:09 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:19:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. Thanks, guys. I'd hoped it would work. I'll haul up an extension cord and the trusty Weller pistol grip for the job after all. Gunner, my buddy Terry has a BluePoint iron like yours which works well, but this is in a semi-dark enclosed attic with puffy rockwool insulation all around, even if it isn't flammable. I have a butane iron from HFT and it works well, but I'm not taking that up into the attic with me, either. Why..you cant figure out how to make a safe "rest" for the iron? Hell..use a bread pan with an inch of kitty litter in the bottom. My attic's tight, with a low peak, 4'. I didn't want to drag a cord around, over and under ducts, and now you're talking about taking a lit flame and pan of fly-everywheres up there? Brilliant! -- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:17:44 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:40:41 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:59:09 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:19:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. It won't. It's the soldering iron Ron Popiel would have invented, right after his "Pocket Fisherman" It's a cheap attempt at resistance soldering that just doesn't work on anything thicker than 24 AWG. Thanks, guys. I'd hoped it would work. I'll haul up an extension cord and the trusty Weller pistol grip for the job after all. Gunner, my buddy Terry has a BluePoint iron like yours which works well, but this is in a semi-dark enclosed attic with puffy rockwool insulation all around, even if it isn't flammable. I have a butane iron from HFT and it works well, but I'm not taking that up into the attic with me, either. Why..you cant figure out how to make a safe "rest" for the iron? Hell..use a bread pan with an inch of kitty litter in the bottom. My attic's tight, with a low peak, 4'. I didn't want to drag a cord around, over and under ducts, and now you're talking about taking a lit flame and pan of fly-everywheres up there? Brilliant! The soldering Iron I suggested...works much the same way as the coldheat one does. It heats the element, which heats the wire, which melts the solder. It just does it very much better. No open flame at all. Its just a butane soldering iron that works very well and delivers a goodly amount of heat. Flamelessly. Not a torch, not a rosebud, no fire. Shrug. You could..pull the tip/loop off a corded gun and hold the wire between the two stubs on the front of the gun and resistance heat the wire with it...but then..you will need to pull a cable around behind you. I used a big Weller gun with no loop..to solder PL-259 connectors for radio coax. Works very well for resistance soldering. Heats the shell and tip nicely. But..it needs a cord. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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Gunner wrote: Why..you cant figure out how to make a safe "rest" for the iron? Hell..use a bread pan with an inch of kitty litter in the bottom. The dust can be flammable, or even explosive in an old attic. Why risk it? The U.S Army had cartridge irons for places like that. Put the cartridgrige in the iron, and puncture it with the trigger for about 15 minuters of soldering. No power, no open flame and roughly equal to a 150 W iron. It was the only soldering tool allowed for a lot of work outside the shop. I have had good luck whit the old Wahl cordless irons installing alarm & signalling wiring, but they are only around 15 to 20 W |
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On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. TIA -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. |
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Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. |
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On 1/2/2013 4:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. They weren't designed to work, they were designed to sell! |
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Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/2/2013 4:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. They weren't designed to work, they were designed to sell! I laughed when I saw their hokey commercial, years ago. Some idiot on an antique radio group was trying to convince everyone tat they were the greatest tool ever made. Of course, he had about 75 that were store returns to sell... |
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On 1/2/2013 5:05 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/2/2013 4:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. They weren't designed to work, they were designed to sell! I laughed when I saw their hokey commercial, years ago. Some idiot on an antique radio group was trying to convince everyone tat they were the greatest tool ever made. Of course, he had about 75 that were store returns to sell... Do they still make "multicore" solder? I'm getting low on the last roll I bought 20 years ago. The stuff will alloy to ANYTHING! |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:16:05 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. It's actually four AAs. That really should be enough. Maybe I'll try that on the ground. Now where's that spare momentary switch...? -- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:24:19 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:16:05 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. It's actually four AAs. That really should be enough. Maybe I'll try that on the ground. Now where's that spare momentary switch...? Try it with 4 well charged Nimh batteries. It should have more punch. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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Gunner wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:24:19 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:16:05 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. A pair of AA Alkalines just don't pout out enough current. It's actually four AAs. That really should be enough. Maybe I'll try that on the ground. Now where's that spare momentary switch...? Try it with 4 well charged Nimh batteries. It should have more punch. Using carbon electrodes will limit the maximum current through the joint. You'd need a higher voltage to do much more that what the Alkalines will do. The only advantage of the NiMh is their output don't drop until they are mostly discharged. The old Wahl cordless irons used a pair of C sized NiCad and worked fairly well. The problem is that he needs 25 Watts or more of heat for that wire size to get good wetting on a solder joint. That would be about 5 Amps out of the battery, and the tool was designed for lower output chemistry than NiMh. |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
I was given one - have all sorts from large black beauties down.
It is a conductive short that heats up the work - the work must be the conductor. If the current is high enough, it gets hot and you can melt onto the hot metal. Remember the short must be held for a while - not moved around or on - off. Martin On 1/1/2013 11:01 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: On 1/1/2013 9:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. TIA -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour I didn't think they would work, energy density is too low...no free lunch. |
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OTish: Anyone use a ColdHeat Soldering Iron?
Martin Eastburn wrote: I was given one - have all sorts from large black beauties down. It is a conductive short that heats up the work - the work must be the conductor. If the current is high enough, it gets hot and you can melt onto the hot metal. Remember the short must be held for a while - not moved around or on - off. Classic resistance soldering, scaled down to hobby level applications. Any surface resistance of the wire prevents it from heating at the availible current. The current has to be high enough to heat the copper past the melting point of the solder. 14 AWG runs near room temperature at 15 Amps. That means you'll need enough current to heat it to around 700 F° BTW: Here is more than you ever wanted to know about AWG copper wi http://library.bldrdoc.gov/docs/nbshb100.pdf |
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Bigger wire... Bigger soldering iron...
Solid wire absorbs more heat than stranded wire, and its harder to use solder to transfer heat. I have battery operated on in my tool pouch that works wonders on 18 ga or smaller stranded with fine solder. |
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:43:13 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. Would liquid flux help at all? It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. TIA I've had one for 3 years. Used it twice. Once successfully. I don't mind admitting I was a sucker. |
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On Jan 1, 8:43*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote: I don't remember if I posted this here yet or not, so... I bought a ColdHeat soldering iron and it came yesterday. *When I tried soldering a couple of 18ga stranded copper wires together, it failed miserably. *It didn't seem to get hot enough to melt the solder into the strands at all, although it melted about 1.5" of thin solder. Tips to get it to work (on the 14ga wire I bought it for) would be appreciated. *Would liquid flux help at all? *It seemed like the carbonized tip got nice and hot but the wire didn't. TIA -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Louis L'Amour http://www.amazon.com/CRL-7-Piece-To.../dp/B006JFJ57E Many propane torch kit used to come with a chisel point soldering attachment like the one included above. I have one that I use for soldering heavier gauge wire. Mine is made with a short 3/8" dia copper chisel point rod held onto a brass holder that clamps onto the end of a propane torch. The brass holder has holes to allow the flame from the propane torch to exit, but still heat the copper rod. Could be easy to make one if you can't find one second-hand. |
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