CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On Dec 11, 1:37*pm, "azotic" wrote:
CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.

Read mohttp://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...down-Illinois-...

Best Regards
Tom.
--http://fija.org/

There are two types of CCW holders...those who shot their nuts off and
the ones who will.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Dec 11, 1:37 pm, "azotic" wrote:
CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal
appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days
to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.

Read
mohttp://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...down-Illinois-...

Best Regards
Tom.
--http://fija.org/

There are two types of CCW holders...those who shot their nuts off and
the ones who will.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

You mean those chicago gangbangers.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:37:09 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:




CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.


WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:42:47 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:


Best Regards
Tom.
--

http://fija.org/


Thanks for the link. Interesting site Ive never seen before.

The other members of this august group should check it out.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On 2012-12-11, azotic wrote:



CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.

I am shocked, surprised, and very excited!

i

On 2012-12-11, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:37:09 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:




CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.


WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

--
http://fija.org/
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:42:47 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:


Best Regards
Tom.
--

http://fija.org/


Thanks for the link. Interesting site Ive never seen before.

The other members of this august group should check it out.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner


Sounds like instructors will be busy! I'll check what the requirements are,
it might be time for a few vacation weeks, night be a big pay-off!

Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:42:47 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:


Best Regards
Tom.
--

http://fija.org/


Thanks for the link. Interesting site Ive never seen before.

The other members of this august group should check it out.

Gunner


Indeed, i have been spreading the word for 12 years. The problem
is most people do not understand the power they have over the
government and how to use thier power. The government is very
afraid of people finding out about thier power. I have gone stealth
on occasion and set people free that should have never been
prosecuted in the first place.

Best Regards
Tom.

"Ignoramus19474" wrote in message ...
On 2012-12-11, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:37:09 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:




CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.


WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

I doubt that it will produce any kind of a measurable effect whatsoever on overall crime rates.

Main difference being that now, if a crook ( or anyone, for that matter ) gets caught with a gun, he won't get a weapens charge leveled against him so long as he has a valid carry permit.

Secondary benefits being it frees up authorities to pursue actual crimes, and if there is a licensing fee, then possibly it will generate a modest amount of government revenue.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:46:59 -0600, Ignoramus19474
wrote:

On 2012-12-11, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:37:09 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:




CHICAGO (AP) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals
court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in
Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said state lawmakers have 180 days to
write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.



Read mo
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/art...#ixzz2Em1aCDqY


Best Regards
Tom.


WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

"Not many people will carry"? In Chi?

Are you ****ing kidding? They will be descending in droves on
whatever agency is given the responsibility of issuing. Fear runs
deep in Chicago. Very deep. As the Nations Homicide Capital...if you
arent afraid in Chicago..you dont get out much.

Now Chicago will put all sorts of obsticles in the path, we can be
very very sure of that. ****cago will be a May Issue state, like
Mass. Where only the politically connected and rich will get permits.

Like most of the Urban areas of California. California one of the
states with the largest populations......has 35,000 CCWs, most going
to my County..Kern.

Examples....
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general...s-angeles.html

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/ccw...2009-09-05.pdf

You and others may find this link of interest

http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

And this one as well

http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

"Not many people will carry"? In Chi?

Are you ****ing kidding? They will be descending in droves on
whatever agency is given the responsibility of issuing. Fear runs
deep in Chicago. Very deep. As the Nations Homicide Capital...if you
arent afraid in Chicago..you dont get out much.

I lived in the windy city in the 70s. Now way did i go into any of the
marginal areas without packing. AND a bigger backup under the seat.
A friend was a part time cop. We discussed it, he told me no way would
any cop write you up.

I do agree with iggy here, the folks that want to are already
carrying. There's the written law, and there's the real world.

Now the new law will help if there's an incident. But i always thought
I'd take my chances being judged by twelve over being carried by six.

Karl

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:22:51 -0500, "Tom Gardner" all@net wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
WUNDERBAR!!!

This is going to be eversogood watching this go into effect and
watching the Leftwingers go totally nuts about it.

Just think..Chicago finally gets to join the 21st century!!!

Now lets see.....homicide rate goes straight up for about 6
months..then drops like a rock as the crooks are killed off enmass.

On the other hand...Chicago will drag their feet for at least 18
months before the first CCW is issued.

So much for the much vaunted Illinois Gun Bans of the 80s and 90s

VBG

Gunner


Sounds like instructors will be busy! I'll check what the requirements are,
it might be time for a few vacation weeks, night be a big pay-off!


Indeed it very well could be!!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

iggy, I'm curious. Your occupation is going to take you to some seedy
areas. Do you feel safe going there undefended?

Karl

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:23:59 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:

Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:42:47 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:


Best Regards
Tom.
--

http://fija.org/


Thanks for the link. Interesting site Ive never seen before.

The other members of this august group should check it out.

Gunner


Indeed, i have been spreading the word for 12 years. The problem
is most people do not understand the power they have over the
government and how to use thier power. The government is very
afraid of people finding out about thier power. I have gone stealth
on occasion and set people free that should have never been
prosecuted in the first place.

Best Regards
Tom.

The last time I got called in for jury duty, I simply asked "will I
and the other jurors be instructed on jury nullification procedures?"
and was excused promptly. Which is important for a guy who works for
himself and in another part of the state.

Ive not received a jury notice since that time..some 12 yrs ago.

My wife has free time and has been a juror 5-6 times in the last 10
yrs.

And THANK YOU!! for your service to the People.

Gunner





The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:58:23 -0600, Ignoramus19474
wrote:


Bottom line, I do not have a lot of fear going to Chicago.

When the bottom line is primarily about how things affect YOU then you
know you're fully American. Congratulations.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
"Not many people will carry"? In Chi?

Are you ****ing kidding? They will be descending in droves on
whatever agency is given the responsibility of issuing. Fear runs
deep in Chicago. Very deep. As the Nations Homicide Capital...if you
arent afraid in Chicago..you dont get out much.

Now Chicago will put all sorts of obsticles in the path, we can be
very very sure of that. ****cago will be a May Issue state, like
Mass. Where only the politically connected and rich will get permits.

Like most of the Urban areas of California. California one of the
states with the largest populations......has 35,000 CCWs, most going
to my County..Kern.

Examples....
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general...s-angeles.html

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/ccw...2009-09-05.pdf

You and others may find this link of interest

http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

And this one as well

http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf

Gunner


I assume IL will have similar State CCW regulations. The instructors just
won't accept or pass idiots or gang members. Then the background check for
felonies and domestic violence. Not many permits will go to the wrong
folks.

An interesting related article in The Atlantic -

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/1/?single_page=true

pull quote:
"But I am sympathetic to the idea of armed self-defense, because it does
often work, because encouraging learned helplessness is morally corrupt,
and because, however much I might wish it, the United States is not
going to become Canada. Guns are with us, whether we like it or not.
Maybe this is tragic, but it is also reality. So Americans who are
qualified to possess firearms shouldn’t be denied the right to
participate in their own defense. And it is empirically true that the
great majority of America’s tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners
have not created chaos in society."

Carla

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own
conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the
law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the
lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by
forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected
behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals
to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the
law-abiding."---------- Jeff Snyder

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

Karl

"Carla Fong" wrote in message
...
An interesting related article in The Atlantic -

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/1/?single_page=true

pull quote:
"But I am sympathetic to the idea of armed self-defense, because it does
often work, because encouraging learned helplessness is morally corrupt,
and because, however much I might wish it, the United States is not
going to become Canada. Guns are with us, whether we like it or not.
Maybe this is tragic, but it is also reality. So Americans who are
qualified to possess firearms shouldn’t be denied the right to
participate in their own defense. And it is empirically true that the
great majority of America’s tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners
have not created chaos in society."

Carla

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own
conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the
law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the
lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by
forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected
behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals
to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the
law-abiding."---------- Jeff Snyder

I do believe that gun ownership should necessarily be linked to continual,
professional training. It's NOT like riding a bicycle.

"Ignoramus19474" wrote


I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

I disagree. A lot will carry.

Steve

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:09:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Ignoramus19474" wrote


I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

I disagree. A lot will carry.

Steve

In a crime ridden ******** like Chicago? **** yes a LOT will carry.

Anybody going to Shi from any other part of the state will armor up
and load up before hitting the city limits. And store owners? Damned
straight they will be packing.

Anyone with any common sense will be. But in that state..doesnt seem
to be a big run on CS, come to think of it....

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

i

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:38:55 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

Anyone with any common sense will be. But in that state..doesnt seem
to be a big run on CS, come to think of it....

=======================

Two observations about “common sense:” (1) “Common sense” is
anything but; and (2) While A “common sense” may be
functional and indeed may well be optional in one
society/culture/circumstance, it is likely to be
non-operational and may well be highly counterproductive in
another. Thus what we Anglo petite bourgeois and lumpen
proletariat types perceive as “common sense,” the
unfortunate residents of NYC, Boston, Providence,
Philadelphia, Detroit, L.A. etc. may well perceive as
bat-s**t crazy, and vice versa.

There seems to be a phenomenon where once a society/culture,
even a local one, reaches a critical “tipping point,” of
corruption and criminality, it is impossible to
revert/recover, and the principle of “progressive
degeneracy” seems to drive the community/society/culture
ever deeper into the morass over time.

Indeed, the one-way nature of corruption and the principle
of progressive degeneracy is what makes it so dangerous to a
“free” society.

While there are some examples of this occurring in smaller
communities, these have tended to be special cases such as
towns located adjacent to military posts, e.g. Phoenix
City/Fort Benning,* [or where I lived for several years,
Borger**, Texas (during the the 1920/30s oil boom) staid
today], the mega urban areas with their general lack of
social [as opposed to legal] control, anonymity, “fresh
crop of suckers every day,” and plethora of largely
victimless offenses and petty regulations, e.g. “alternate
side of the street parking regulations,” offer wide scope
for “rent seeking.” It is a military adage that if you
attempt to protect everything, you protect nothing, and by
extension when you attempt to regulate everything, you
regulate nothing, and this seems to be one of the basic
factors in our grossly outsized and still rapidly growing
cancers/urban areas.

In all fairness, corruption driven societies/cultures seem
to endure about as well as any, but still collapse over
time. The dynamics (and common sense) of these are however
differ as greatly from those operating under the the
traditional rigid protestant cultural ethic and rule of law
[as the U.S. used to] as these are different from
societies/cultures organized under Sharia law or
Manorialism.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenix_City,_Alabama
snip
Phoenix City was notorious during the 1940s and 1950s as
being a haven for organized crime, prostitution, and
gambling. Many of its customers came from the United States
Army training center at Fort Benning, Georgia. The leaders
of the crime syndicate in Phoenix City were Jimmie Matthews
and Hoyt Sheppard. Albert Patterson, from Phoenix City, was
elected to become attorney general of Alabama on a platform
of reforming the city, but was brutally shot down outside
his office on 14th Street.
snip

** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borger,_Texas
snip
In the months that followed, oilmen, roughnecks,
prospectors, panhandlers and fortune seekers were joined by
cardsharks, prostitutes, bootleggers and drug dealers. The
city became known as "Booger Town" as it attracted criminals
and fugitives from the law. The town government soon fell
under control of an organized crime syndicate led by Mayor
Miller's shady associate, "Two-Gun Dick" Herwig. Dixon
Street (now Tenth Street) was the "red-light" district,
housing brothels, dance halls, speakeasies and gambling
dens. Murder and robbery became an everyday occurrence, and
illegal moonshining and home brewing flourished under the
fatherly watch of Herwig and his henchmen, including W. J.
(Shine) Popejoy, the king of the Texas bootleggers. Borger
became so notorious that in the spring of 1927 Texas
Governor Dan Moody sent a force of Texas Rangers to rein in
the town. The Texas Rangers were led by Captains Frank Hamer
and Thomas R. Hickman. (Hamer would go on to later fame and
even infamy as the man who killed Bonnie and Clyde.)
The Texas Rangers did have a stabilizing effect, but Borger
still struggled with lawlessness and violence into the
1930s, climaxing with the murder of District Attorney John
A. Holmes by an assassin on September 18, 1929. This event
caused Governor Moody to impose martial law for a month and
send in state troops to help rid the town of its criminal
element. Eventually Borger settled down, but not before town
founder Ace Borger was shot and killed at the post office by
Arthur Huey on August 31, 1934 (Huey was county treasurer
and was irked at Ace Borger for not bailing him out of jail
on an embezzlement charge. Huey shot Borger five times with
a Colt .45 pistol, even pulling Borger's own pistol out of
his clothing and shooting him again, along with others there
in the post office).
snip


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E

--
It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are
not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment.
-- Freeman Dyson

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

Gunner on Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:38:55 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:09:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Ignoramus19474" wrote


I do not expect much, myself, because not many people will carry and
the laws will likely be difficult to satisfy. But this is a great move
in the right direction!

I disagree. A lot will carry.

Steve

In a crime ridden ******** like Chicago? **** yes a LOT will carry.

A lot do carry.

Anybody going to Shi from any other part of the state will armor up
and load up before hitting the city limits. And store owners? Damned
straight they will be packing.

Anyone with any common sense will be. But in that state..doesnt seem
to be a big run on CS, come to think of it....

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

"Gunner" wrote

I disagree. A lot will carry.

In a crime ridden ******** like Chicago? **** yes a LOT will carry.

Anybody going to Shi from any other part of the state will armor up
and load up before hitting the city limits. And store owners? Damned
straight they will be packing.

Anyone with any common sense will be. But in that state..doesnt seem
to be a big run on CS, come to think of it....

Gunner

Are there any rules on liberals obtaining CCW permits? I mean, I know they
are against it in principle, but will they really act on their convictions,
and NOT carry?

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Gunner" wrote

I disagree. A lot will carry.

In a crime ridden ******** like Chicago? **** yes a LOT will carry.

Anybody going to Shi from any other part of the state will armor up
and load up before hitting the city limits. And store owners? Damned
straight they will be packing.

Anyone with any common sense will be. But in that state..doesnt seem
to be a big run on CS, come to think of it....

Gunner

Are there any rules on liberals obtaining CCW permits? I mean, I know
they are against it in principle, but will they really act on their
convictions, and NOT carry?

Steve

Nope, but they sometimes get convicted.

12-06-2012:

Chicago - Chicago lawmaker, Democratic member of the Illinois Senate Donne
Trotter, was arrested for reportedly attempting to board a plane carrying a
gun in his bag. As reported by the Associated Press (AP), Trotter was
charged with "attempt to board an aircraft with a weapon," which is a Class
4 felony, after an unloaded handgun and bullets were found in a carry-on
bag.

Trotter, who is married with four children, has been a member of the
Illinois Senate since 1993.


http://www.justicenewsflash.com/2012...207108149.html


Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

i

Now the question is...can you effectively use it in a time of great
need?

And can you effectively use it against firearms armed bad guys?

If the answer is no to either question...having a "toothpick" in the
truck is nothing more than having a tool, not a weapon.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On 12/12/2012 9:14 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E

--
It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are
not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment.
-- Freeman Dyson



I thought all you would need is your sharp wit!

On 2012-12-15, Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

i

Now the question is...can you effectively use it in a time of great
need?

And can you effectively use it against firearms armed bad guys?

If the answer is no to either question...having a "toothpick" in the
truck is nothing more than having a tool, not a weapon.

It is what I can do, I am not going into bull**** discussions. I used
it many times as a tool already, not yet once as a weapon.

i

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:31 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

This is what you NEED in your rig, particularly when living in
Illinois

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cold-Steel-S...-/370654504434

Simply sharpen the edges. They will sharpen nicely. This is a copy
of the Spetznaz combat shovel and work nicely as a digger, or a
weapon.

And what cop (even the boys in Illinois) will bitch about a working
mans spade? Your bowie knife may cause problems with the cops.

And for your personal "utility knife" to be carried in your front
pants pocket, clip out/knife in...something along the lines of this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Browning-Bla...-/271060433355

This is a VERY decent blade and one I recommend (below)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ontario-Joe-...-/280953791855

As Ive mentioned before..I carry at least 2 and usually 3 on my person
at all times. A well chosen folder will tuck away on you nicely and
is at hand instantly. Pull the pocket clip fasteners, red loctite
them and then reinstall before carrying them everyday in the same
place. No thinking required to have one in hand quickly if you set a
routine about where you are carrying blades.

Most..most states have folding knife/one handed opener.... 3.75" blade
length as "Ok". And thats more than long enough to go deep.

Another knife to consider..and one I carry often

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smith-Wesson...-/300833035730

Lots of good "tactical folders" out there. Just stay away from the
junk. Seriously.


A very decent knife on closeout.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schrade-X-Ti...-/281010063505

As is this rugged toughy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kershaw-Vapo...-/190757613669

And this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kershaw-OSO-...-/290829588586




Gunner



The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

i

A very nice combination btw....

http://www.ltspecpro.com/Product/95B...%282ND%29.aspx

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-bo-03.html

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On 2012-12-15, Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:31 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

This is what you NEED in your rig, particularly when living in
Illinois

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cold-Steel-S...-/370654504434

Simply sharpen the edges. They will sharpen nicely. This is a copy
of the Spetznaz combat shovel and work nicely as a digger, or a
weapon.

I was looking for one, just bought it, thanks. I will sharpen it, but,
it is not suitable as a car weapon due to size.

I have a folding shovel right now for miscellaneous purposes.

i

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:39:59 -0600, Ignoramus12032
wrote:

On 2012-12-15, Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:31 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

This is what you NEED in your rig, particularly when living in
Illinois

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cold-Steel-S...-/370654504434

Simply sharpen the edges. They will sharpen nicely. This is a copy
of the Spetznaz combat shovel and work nicely as a digger, or a
weapon.

I was looking for one, just bought it, thanks. I will sharpen it, but,
it is not suitable as a car weapon due to size.

I have a folding shovel right now for miscellaneous purposes.

i

Its quite suitible as a weapon even in tunnels. Obviously you were
never trained in using one properly.

Its NOT used like an ax.

Just a heads up


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On 2012-12-16, Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:39:59 -0600, Ignoramus12032
wrote:

On 2012-12-15, Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:31 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

This is what you NEED in your rig, particularly when living in
Illinois

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cold-Steel-S...-/370654504434

Simply sharpen the edges. They will sharpen nicely. This is a copy
of the Spetznaz combat shovel and work nicely as a digger, or a
weapon.

I was looking for one, just bought it, thanks. I will sharpen it, but,
it is not suitable as a car weapon due to size.

I have a folding shovel right now for miscellaneous purposes.

i

Its quite suitible as a weapon even in tunnels. Obviously you were
never trained in using one properly.

Yes, I never was

Its NOT used like an ax.

Just a heads up


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:11:00 -0600, Ignoramus12032
wrote:

On 2012-12-16, Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:39:59 -0600, Ignoramus12032
wrote:

On 2012-12-15, Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:31 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

I keep a Cold Steel Kobun in my truck. Sweet little tanto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk7Qf5OI4E


I just bought one.

This is what you NEED in your rig, particularly when living in
Illinois

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cold-Steel-S...-/370654504434

Simply sharpen the edges. They will sharpen nicely. This is a copy
of the Spetznaz combat shovel and work nicely as a digger, or a
weapon.

I was looking for one, just bought it, thanks. I will sharpen it, but,
it is not suitable as a car weapon due to size.

I have a folding shovel right now for miscellaneous purposes.

i

Its quite suitible as a weapon even in tunnels. Obviously you were
never trained in using one properly.

Yes, I never was

Pity. They are a very good weapon.
And not a bad spade either.


Its NOT used like an ax.

Just a heads up


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:52:18 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:15:07 -0600, Ignoramus27686
wrote:

On 2012-12-12, Karl Townsend wrote:

Let me first say that if concealed carry becomes a real possibility, I
will apply. I love guns, though handguns do not interest me too much.

I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Then you can't miss. And just bringing it out would diffuse damn near
everything.

I was never that afraid in Chicago, but I did feel better packing. Its
just like I'm not that afraid pulling the anchor out in the ocean. But
I still put on the life preserver when walking around the cabin up to
the bow. Both are for that 1 in 10,000 event.

I have a bowie knife in my truck, tucked near the seat.

i

Now the question is...can you effectively use it in a time of great
need?

And can you effectively use it against firearms armed bad guys?

If the answer is no to either question...having a "toothpick" in the
truck is nothing more than having a tool, not a weapon.

There was a story posted, years ago on t.p.g. by a guy who
formerly had worked as a repo man. Which took him into some un-nice
neighborhoods in the Chicago area. So he packed - big chrome plated
45.
So the story goes that one night, he stopped to get directions at
a convenience store, and as he came out, a guy with a knife said "this
says you're going to give me your money". Ho opened his coat to
"flash" that Chrome Plated 45 and said "this says I'm not." and they
guy responded "you're right." They both went their separate ways - no
harm, no foul.
See, even in Chicago, people can be civil.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.