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On Jul 27, 6:39*pm, Hawke wrote:
I also think that you're a pretty darn old man and have not set foot in any kind of place of higher learning in a very long time. So I doubt that you and your information are very current or up to date. Your knowledge is dated. Mine isn't. I only finished my last time in a college classroom ten years ago. So you can see why I don't put much credence in what you learned 50 years ago. The math may be the same but everything else is way different now. Did you even have a computer in one of your classrooms? Hawke Does teaching a college course count? I did that about the time you were an undergraduate. so my guess is that my information is at least as current as yours. My information is not any more dated than yours, and probably less dated. And as far as having computers. I took two courses in computers. One was an undergrad course and the other was a graduate level course. I have programed computers in machine language as well as in Cobal, Basic, APL, C, and Fortran. Also was proficient in Atlas-L but did not program in that. I had a personal computer before IBM came up with the PC. And I had a IBM clone before the AT came out. And was active in this use group before there were browsers. I connected to the Internet using a 300 baud acoustic modem when a 300 baud modem was considered good. I communicated with some Russians before Moscow had a dedicated line to the Internet. I was the computer group lead at the Saturn Ib breadboard, where IBM developed the launch programs space shots. I have read most of Donald Knuths books. I have shmooed memory banks. Dan |
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On 7/29/2012 6:12 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Hawwke-ptooey, Unlike you, most people continue to learn long after their initial education, especially among those with the higher level of intelligence you lack. The problem is that you have displayed so little credibility, maturity and accumulated wisdom in your typical posts that no one takes you seriously. You come on like a little boy trying to join an adult conversation, but you just don't have enough depth of insight to be able to make a useful contribution, plus you're too petty and obnoxious to even be amusing. You make big noises about your alleged poli sci degree, but all that you show us is that left = good, right(as in, anyone who points out your errors)= bad. You can't even recognize that there are valid political stances other than left/right or that there are people like me far to the left of you who see you for the shallow poseur that you are. David |
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On Jul 29, 7:12*pm, Hawke wrote:
Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Actually you are wrong. There were computers in the college I went to when I was there. And they had an entire building just for computers. It was recently refurbished. I expect they had more computer science course then than Chico has now. Your statement just shows how ignorant you are. Your argument is very poor. It is based on one not learning anything unless one is in a school. But decent schools teach you how to learn. The rule of thumb for electrical engineers is that half of what they know is obsolete every seven years. So in order to just stay at the same level you have to learn the equivalent of two years of college every seven years. So while you depend on what you learned over ten years ago, I keep learning and know more than you. Dan |
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On 7/29/2012 6:28 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 7/29/2012 6:12 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote: Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Hawwke-ptooey, Unlike you, most people continue to learn long after their initial education, especially among those with the higher level of intelligence you lack. The problem is that you have displayed so little credibility, maturity and accumulated wisdom in your typical posts that no one takes you seriously. You come on like a little boy trying to join an adult conversation, but you just don't have enough depth of insight to be able to make a useful contribution, plus you're too petty and obnoxious to even be amusing. You make big noises about your alleged poli sci degree, but all that you show us is that left = good, right(as in, anyone who points out your errors)= bad. You can't even recognize that there are valid political stances other than left/right or that there are people like me far to the left of you who see you for the shallow poseur that you are. David David, you are stupid. Don't bother responding to anything I post until you can come up with something actually intelligent to add because so far all you are doing is wasting everybody's time. Your silly, and petty little personal put downs are less than meaningless to me and they only show your lack of brains and your inability to contribute anything anybody cares to hear. So butt out. If you ever come up with something clever to contribute I'd be glad to hear it, but as long as the only thing you can do is repeat the same old drivel just stop posting. Your stupidity is really irritating everyone with a brain. Hawke |
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On 7/31/2012 12:52 AM, Hawke wrote:
On 7/29/2012 6:28 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 7/29/2012 6:12 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote: Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Hawwke-ptooey, Unlike you, most people continue to learn long after their initial education, especially among those with the higher level of intelligence you lack. The problem is that you have displayed so little credibility, maturity and accumulated wisdom in your typical posts that no one takes you seriously. You come on like a little boy trying to join an adult conversation, but you just don't have enough depth of insight to be able to make a useful contribution, plus you're too petty and obnoxious to even be amusing. You make big noises about your alleged poli sci degree, but all that you show us is that left = good, right(as in, anyone who points out your errors)= bad. You can't even recognize that there are valid political stances other than left/right or that there are people like me far to the left of you who see you for the shallow poseur that you are. David David, you are Correct - he is entirely correct about you. |
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On 7/31/2012 7:39 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/31/2012 12:52 AM, Hawke wrote: On 7/29/2012 6:28 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 7/29/2012 6:12 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote: Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Hawwke-ptooey, Unlike you, most people continue to learn long after their initial education, especially among those with the higher level of intelligence you lack. The problem is that you have displayed so little credibility, maturity and accumulated wisdom in your typical posts that no one takes you seriously. You come on like a little boy trying to join an adult conversation, but you just don't have enough depth of insight to be able to make a useful contribution, plus you're too petty and obnoxious to even be amusing. You make big noises about your alleged poli sci degree, but all that you show us is that left = good, right(as in, anyone who points out your errors)= bad. You can't even recognize that there are valid political stances other than left/right or that there are people like me far to the left of you who see you for the shallow poseur that you are. David David, you are Correct - he is entirely correct about you. But then give me credit. I'm entirely correct about you being a big baby that thinks he's great when you're lucky if you're even average. You excel at nothing except being a hypocrite. Hawke |
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On 7/31/2012 9:33 AM, Hawke wrote:
On 7/31/2012 7:39 AM, George Plimpton wrote: On 7/31/2012 12:52 AM, Hawke wrote: On 7/29/2012 6:28 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 7/29/2012 6:12 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote: Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Hawke Hawwke-ptooey, Unlike you, most people continue to learn long after their initial education, especially among those with the higher level of intelligence you lack. The problem is that you have displayed so little credibility, maturity and accumulated wisdom in your typical posts that no one takes you seriously. You come on like a little boy trying to join an adult conversation, but you just don't have enough depth of insight to be able to make a useful contribution, plus you're too petty and obnoxious to even be amusing. You make big noises about your alleged poli sci degree, but all that you show us is that left = good, right(as in, anyone who points out your errors)= bad. You can't even recognize that there are valid political stances other than left/right or that there are people like me far to the left of you who see you for the shallow poseur that you are. David David, you are Correct - he is entirely correct about you. But then give me credit. No, you deserve no credit for getting anything right. You get everything wrong - every time. |
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On Jul 31, 4:13*am, Hawke wrote:
So I see that you continue to keep it a secret when you last were in college. I just do not like to brag. I understand why. It was many decades ago wasn't it, Not many decades since I taught at a college. I do not remember exactly when it was, but it was about 15 years ago. you didn't refresh your education every seven years for the last 40 years either. The hell I did not. In college I studied vacuum tubes But right off I was designing circuits using transistors and SCR's. So took a grad school course at the Santa Clara on transistors. Followed that with a course on Vacuum Tube Technology. I that for the hell of it. Thought it was going to be about the kinds of tubes used in radios and TV's. But it was not. It was about TWT's , BWO's , Klystrons, Great course . We did things as estimate the size of the wire in a 10 ma fuse. Next I had to learn about IC's , and about that time I went to work in Alabama working on NASA stuff and had to learn how computers actually work. Not just the simple stuff like how memory works, but stuff like how instruction decode works. And had a job where I had to figure out why a computer was not working and fix it. And later I had the job of figuring out what was going on when a missile systems test failed. Sounds easy. Just your ordinary missile scientist stuff, but the test program was written in Atlas -L and run on a CDC computer that was an emulator for a older CDC computer. The fact of the matter is I'm younger than you and I finished my education less than a decade ago. What you don't know is very much about what it's like in college today. Well I did teach college level courses , not all that long ago. And I went to my 50 th reunion and read the alumnae magazine. And have friends from my college days that are professors. One of my freshman year room mates is a math professor, Another good friend was a theoretical physist. Another friend from school is a French Lit professor, and yet another friend went to Med School for two years before transferring to Molecular Biology , getting a Phd with Watson as his advisor and then doing some post grad with Crick at Oxford or maybe it was Cambridge. Believe it or not they do teach students not just to memorize like in the old days but they teach how to learn and how to think critically. That's what I learned. And I've continued to learn every day since I stopped taking formal classes. They never did teach students to just memorize. You just don't have the cojones to give me any credit for anything. I get that. You're a conservative, which means you over rate yourself and you refuse to say anything positive about anyone you disagree with, as well as making snotty little personal attacks. Well, Dan, I'm not the least impressed with anything about you. If you were standing next to me you would be the little man. I would be the big one. *You would be the man that is old. I would look young compared to you. I am very strong and you are weak in comparison. You are over the hill in every way. I am not. So I understand where you are coming from and the source of your ill humor. Even so you just come across as a crabby, old, conservative, that thinks he is way better than he really is. Here's a news flash for you. You aren't what you used to be. All you are is what you are right now, and that's not so hot, is it? You're just a cranky old fart now and you can't hope to keep up with me. Truth hurts doesn't it? I am older that you, but you are either going to get as old as I am or you are going to die. The truth hurts , doesn't it. I do not say much positive about anyone, whether I agree with them or not. But I am not weak compared to you. I am much tougher than you are. I do not whine as you do. And I am more intelligent than you are , always have been, and I expect I always will be. Dan Hawke |
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On 7/31/2012 9:44 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
Correct - he is entirely correct about you. But then give me credit. No, you deserve no credit for getting anything right. You get everything wrong - every time. At least the dumbest stumblebum in the place thinks that. So we don't pay no damn attention to that kind of ****. We understand where it comes from. A dumb **** of the highest order. Hawke |
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On 7/31/2012 4:03 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 7/31/2012 9:44 AM, George Plimpton wrote: Correct - he is entirely correct about you. But then give me credit. No, you deserve no credit for getting anything right. You get everything wrong - every time. At least the dumbest stumblebum in the place thinks that. Everybody thinks it, Hawwwke-Ptooey, you dumb ****. Haven't you ever noticed that *no one*, even from your own side, ever agrees with you? You're just dumber than a pallet of bricks. |
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On 7/31/2012 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
And as far as having computers. I took two courses in computers. One was an undergrad course and the other was a graduate level course. I have programed computers in machine language as well as in Cobal, Basic, APL, C, and Fortran. Also was proficient in Atlas-L but did not program in that. I had a personal computer before IBM came up with the PC. And I had a IBM clone before the AT came out. And was active in this use group before there were browsers. I connected to the Internet using a 300 baud acoustic modem when a 300 baud modem was considered good. I communicated with some Russians before Moscow had a dedicated line to the Internet. I was the computer group lead at the Saturn Ib breadboard, where IBM developed the launch programs space shots. I have read most of Donald Knuths books. I have shmooed memory banks. Dan Nice try, but I said were there any computers in the schools when you went to them as a student. I wasn't interested in your computer background later in life. My point was you got your education a very long time ago. It's like getting out of medical school in 1960 as compared to getting out in 2005. There is a big difference in what has been learned. I've been out of school less than a decade. Care to tell when you were last in school? The point is the same. You got educated long ago. I don't think you are as up to date as I am except maybe in one specific area. Which just points out your problem, you don't want to give credit where it's due. Ahh, the arrogance of youth. Grok the concept, Hawke, there is nothing _new_ in politics. It was old when Gaius Julius forced the referendum that put him on a throne. There's a lot of truth to that. But it has nothing to do with Dan acting like his education, which he got many decades ago qualifies him as an expert on anything today. He says that he knows so much more than me but I'm saying he is old and his education is not worth much today. And he won't tell how long ago he graduated. If you knew it was fifty years ago I think that would affect your opinion on how much he is up to date or out of date now. Just a thought. Hawke |
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On Jul 31, 7:08*pm, Hawke wrote:
There's a lot of truth to that. But it has nothing to do with Dan acting like his education, which he got many decades ago qualifies him as an expert on anything today. He says that he knows so much more than me but I'm saying he is old and his education is not worth much today. And he won't tell how long ago he graduated. If you knew it was fifty years ago I think that would affect your opinion on how much he is up to date or out of date now. Just a thought. Hawke You use such poor logic. You are saying that the amount of time since graduation decreases the worth of the education. By this logic Joseph Stieglitz is not nearly as good as you as he got all his degrees years before you got yours. So I guess his education is not worth much today compared to your education. I am giving up on you again. Maybe after you start posting some things about metalworking, I will change my mind. It really depends if your on topic posts make any sense. Dan |
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On Aug 1, 8:49*am, bobm46 wrote:
On 7/31/2012 5:27 PM, wrote: On Jul 31, 4:13 am,. Dan, out of curiosity what CDC computers are you talking about? When I worked for CDC at Valley Forge I built and tested various tape drives. I used series 160, 1700, and 3000 computers. I also had to program test loops in all of them using machine language. The computer being emulated was a 160. The computer that was doing the emulation was a 1700 if I recall correctly. It has been a while. As I remember the 1700 used semiconductor memory for the instruction set and core memory for the program. It has been a really long time since those days. Dan |
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